crazyme
Aug 17 2007, 12:10 pm
I moved back to the Uk 2 weeks ago and I never beleived I would miss Deutschland so much! The first years in Munich I was desperate to go home and than in my final year I really settled down and began to enjoy Munich and it's people. I even miss the apartment I lived in yet I'm living in a 5 bedroom bungalow in a country village here!!!
Anyone else moved away recently and have any positive feelings to share?
Inflatablewoman
Aug 17 2007, 12:12 pm
I have a feeling that after a year you're going to be happy where you are.
crazyme
Aug 17 2007, 12:15 pm
Ho wdo you know that?
Johnny English
Aug 17 2007, 12:26 pm
QUOTE (crazyme @ Aug 17 2007, 1:10 pm)

The first years in Munich I was desperate to go home
Maybe because you struggle a little at first with change. So for the same reason you will struggle back in the UK and then adapt.
Inflatablewoman
Aug 17 2007, 12:28 pm
As JE says, also because you've already lived in the UK before, I reckon, the time you'll adapt to the environment will be shortened.
Just wondering... are you a gemini?
planetmoni
Aug 17 2007, 12:34 pm
it took me over 2 years to settle back in. (and i would argue that i am still missing my 'home')
Jeeves
Aug 17 2007, 12:35 pm
I hate to say it but I think that once you've moved away for any length of time nowhere can really be home any more.
the Boy From Bozlem
Aug 17 2007, 12:37 pm
QUOTE (crazyme @ Aug 17 2007, 12:10 pm)

Anyone else moved away recently and have any positive feelings to share?
yea i have positive feelings. I wake every morning and think to myself that it is one day less till i get out of this shit hole country and return to Munich.
29 days and 21 hours to go
Inflatablewoman
Aug 17 2007, 12:38 pm
QUOTE (planetmoni @ Aug 17 2007, 1:34 pm)

it took me over 2 years to settle back in
You're a different case, entirely. Aint you a Virgo? Besides you'll never be happy anywhere, cause you're a mardy bum. [img]http://www.keithball.net/img/smileys/emot-butt.gif[/img] [img]http://www.keithball.net/img/smileys/aetsch.gif[/img]
Jules Winnfield
Aug 17 2007, 12:39 pm
QUOTE (Inflatablewoman @ Aug 17 2007, 1:28 pm)

Just wondering... are you a gemini?
Yes, I am, and yes I change my mind every five seconds about almost everything, and yes I am borderline manic depressive. Next question.
UrbanAngel
Aug 17 2007, 12:42 pm
Crazy Me - are you experiencing some kind of reverse culture shock? I'm moving back in a few of weeks after 5 yrs in Munich, and am wondering how I'll cope
Johnny English
Aug 17 2007, 12:42 pm
I agree Jeeves. It's a scary thought that we will never be 100% settled ever again. I have eaten from the forbidden fruits of "living abroad" and now the spell is broken.
Then again - doesn't matter a toss really either. As long as I have SKY TV and edible food I am happy. So 50% there.
Katrina
Aug 17 2007, 12:43 pm
Ah, you see, I've just outsourced all my negative gemini-ness to Jules. Positive gemini-ness central, I am. So there.
grazzenger
Aug 17 2007, 12:51 pm
i've been back in the uk since november but now live in scotland where i haven't lived since 1979 (21 years in northampton). so it's like a new country too. i miss the friends in munich but as jeeves and JE say, once you've lived abroad for a certain amount of time, nowhere is home but you don't necessarily need it.
home is a strange concept anyway. is it where you were born, where you spent the first x, y or z years of your life? i was born in glasgow but from 7 until nearly 30, lived in northampton. now i wouldn't call northampton my home but by the same token, i hardly knew glasgow and have no friends from there, so is that my home?
home now is where my wife and son are (and my golf clubs).
Katrina
Aug 17 2007, 12:57 pm
Maybe the German language says this better than English?
Heimat = home where you come from
Heim = home where you live
Haus = home as in the dwelling
Am sure there's more too.
Johnny English
Aug 17 2007, 1:01 pm
To be fair Katrina, we do have the word "House" which is not a million light years away from "Haus".
and we have "Hometown" instead of "Heimat".
UrbanAngel
Aug 17 2007, 1:01 pm
As in homeland/hometown, home, house?
Katrina
Aug 17 2007, 1:01 pm
Yeah, but it is Friday and I'm at the tail end of a hangover, a little slack please.
Johnny English
Aug 17 2007, 1:03 pm
So I think we are agreed that Katrina is talking toffee.
Katrina
Aug 17 2007, 1:03 pm
I'm tapping last night's Helles, aye.
planetmoni
Aug 17 2007, 1:07 pm
@IW:
"Those born under the sign of Cancer, ruled by the mysterious Moon, are one of the zodiac's enigmas. It is fair to say that most Cancers are a bundle of contradictions...Like their astrological symbol - the Crab - Cancers can appear hard and insensitive on the outside. However, for those of us who know and love a "Moon Child", we understand that deep below lies a
softness and
sensitivity that makes them so very special..."
www.psychicguild.com
Inflatablewoman
Aug 17 2007, 1:09 pm
hahahaha.
crazyme
Aug 17 2007, 2:07 pm
QUOTE (UrbanAngel @ Aug 17 2007, 12:42 pm)

Crazy Me - are you experiencing some kind of reverse culture shock? I'm moving back in a few of weeks after 5 yrs in Munich, and am wondering how I'll cope
maybe, coming back to the UK has made me realise what an awful place I was raised in, the country seems so unclean compared to Munich, not to mention the people they are not only rude but aggressive with it. I used get pissed off with the Germans staring at me, but it's better than having obscenities shouted out at you and things thrown at you and my 5 year old, especially when the area I have moved to is supposed to one of the well to do areas!!
I miss all the activities and parks I could take my son too, and even my german friends who seem more genuine than the people here. But then again my husband is still out in Munich for the next 2 and half months, so I guess not having him with us is the biggest problem.
UrbanAngel
Aug 17 2007, 2:13 pm
Sounds tough! Is it also partially 'the grass is greener on the other side'? i.e. did you think Germas were rude when living here, but now you realise that maybe you were remember the UK with rosy glasses?
crazyme
Aug 17 2007, 2:24 pm
God knows, I just want to go back to Munich!!
crazyme
Sep 20 2007, 1:55 pm
Another month down the road, things are looking better I guess, you get used to the British way of life the prepacked food, the slang and the not clean streets. I've stopped comparing Uk to Munich, even though I will come visiting in October, I wonder if it will still feel like home then!
bengreen
Sep 20 2007, 4:37 pm
What you people miss the most when moving to Munich, and vice versa? I'm moving to Munich a week on Monday (and can't wait to leave the UK!).
stevo74
Sep 20 2007, 5:26 pm
I lived in Germany for a few years in my youth then went back to study in the UK. I think one of the major differences is that the range of stuff for people (especially young people) to do in Germany is so much better than in the UK. In England we used to go to the pub and perhaps the cinema and not much else. In Germany, I can to the Freibad, go skating or ice-skating, go skiing, go cycling...and then go to the pub

I know you
can do some of those things in the UK but it's certainly not as easy.
I lived in Munich for a year in 98/99 and it's still one of my favourite places in the world. Never found
beer gardens like the ones you get in Bavaria.
I think I can safely say I'll never move back to the UK anyway.
crazyme
Sep 20 2007, 11:03 pm
Lucky you Bengreen I envy you returning to Munich, even living in a very beautiful are and big house here doesn't compare to my life back there in Bavaria, and yes there is very little to do socially here except clubbing and pubbing, which is not always what one wants all the time.
perdido
Sep 21 2007, 12:19 am
Not Munich as much as I miss Regensburg. The fog on the Donau is something I miss.
Lee Boyd
Sep 21 2007, 7:54 am
i lived in Luebeck ten years ago before returning to the uk, to cornwall, to do a degree. sort of got stuck here.
in a week i'll be living in hamburg - and i can't wait.
let me tell you that this country is going to hell in a handbasket. i grew up in plymouth, a rough city, but still in the mid 80s i would happilly go out as a teenager down union street where all the clubs are - you'd get occassional aggro of course, but bearing in mind this is a working class city with a huge contingent of off duty marines, squaddies, sailers, locals, and bouncers mixing it up on a saturday night, remarkably safe.
fast forward to 2007 - i can't even go out to the centre of falmouth on a saturday night. in the last year seven teenagers have been shot dead in this country. two months ago a kid was kicked to death in newquay. my neighbour was in falmouth one night (pop. 70,000), and got punched in the face so hard he was out cold for two hours and has had 12 operations on his face.
our monthly outgoings, for a two bedroom flat come to over £1,000 a month including rent, council tax and bills - we are saving £400 a month by moving to Hamburg.
I'm going to leave this once great culture to the gangsters who have hijacked it and are slowly tearing the heart out of it - i'm talking about the politicians here.
gordon brown just had thatch round for lunch and praised her as a leader - wtf is going on?
It's not 'auf wiedersehen', england, it's 'tchuss'
bengreen
Sep 21 2007, 10:34 am
QUOTE (stevo74 @ Sep 20 2007, 5:26 pm)

I think one of the major differences is that the range of stuff for people (especially young people) to do in Germany is so much better than in the UK. In England we used to go to the pub and perhaps the cinema and not much else. In Germany, I can to the Freibad, go skating or ice-skating, go skiing, go cycling...and then go to the pub I know you can do some of those things in the UK but it's certainly not as easy.
QUOTE (crazyme @ Sep 20 2007, 11:03 pm)

and yes there is very little to do socially here except clubbing and pubbing, which is not always what one wants all the time.
QUOTE (Lee Boyd @ Sep 21 2007, 7:54 am)

let me tell you that this country is going to hell in a handbasket. i grew up in plymouth, a rough city, but still in the mid 80s i would happilly go out as a teenager down union street where all the clubs are - you'd get occassional aggro of course, but bearing in mind this is a working class city with a huge contingent of off duty marines, squaddies, sailers, locals, and bouncers mixing it up on a saturday night, remarkably safe.
fast forward to 2007 - i can't even go out to the centre of falmouth on a saturday night. in the last year seven teenagers have been shot dead in this country. two months ago a kid was kicked to death in newquay. my neighbour was in falmouth one night (pop. 70,000), and got punched in the face so hard he was out cold for two hours and has had 12 operations on his face.
gordon brown just had thatch round for lunch and praised her as a leader - wtf is going on?
This is EXACTLY why I can't wait to leave the UK! There is nothing to do except pub and club, which as crazyme said some people can't handle all the time. Plus also as stevo74 said, you can do all these things, and still go out if you want to. People in Germany seem to enjoy their lives much more, and appreciate other things in life, rather than going out and 'checking out the talent' and all that kind of stuff. It get so boring.
QUOTE (Lee Boyd @ Sep 21 2007, 7:54 am)

It's not 'auf wiedersehen', england, it's 'tchuss'
I laughed when I read this
Mariposa
Sep 25 2007, 10:07 pm
I miss Munich too! Good thing I will be there for a (for me) long time next year.

QUOTE (planetmoni @ Aug 17 2007, 2:07 pm)

@IW:
"Those born under the sign of Cancer, ruled by the mysterious Moon, are one of the zodiac's enigmas. It is fair to say that most Cancers are a bundle of contradictions...Like their astrological symbol - the Crab - Cancers can appear hard and insensitive on the outside. However, for those of us who know and love a "Moon Child", we understand that deep below lies a softness and sensitivity that makes them so very special..." www.psychicguild.com
C'est moi. There is nothing more to me than my astrological definition... Haha, okay no, but that is a relatively good description of me.
stanford
Sep 25 2007, 11:20 pm
"Missing a city"
I did that when I lived in Barcelona 1995...left to go back to London after getting bored and then missed Barcelona like hell. 13 years later...I have lived in Italy, NY, Frankfurt and Munich and hung out in Moscow... I love travelling and changing cities. But have decided to settle down in Munich... I am not that impressed by the nightlife but luckily I am past that now and enjoy the outdoors...
If I would go back to live in the UK I would prefer to live up North as the outdoors are better - lakes and mountains okay not the Alps but better than flat London. Walking in the moors...Peak District, Lake District... I am kinda of over London and the SE - too over croweded too expensive and the trendy bars and restaurants do not do it for me any more. But having said that I do love London Art scene and the Academic institutions. Basically, what I am saying is I am a slag for cities... just can't help wanting a bit of all of them.
Oh by the way I was in Istanbul the other weekend for a night partying and that was interesting...plan to go back next year...they played some banging house musik...the kind of musik which is hard to find in Munich...but at least we have snow boarding coming soon... Roll on the Snow.
Stanford the city slag...
crazyme
Sep 26 2007, 10:25 am
It's good to hear that people adapt and get used to wherever they are, but those who return to Munich and say they can't wait to put UK behind them gives me a shit feeling like 'oh no, I'm not going anywhere, I'm staying here! 'help!'. I know it's a matter of time, but the worst situation here is the changes since 4 years ago. As I've mentioned in my earlier posts I'm living in quite an affluent area and like I used tolove walking in Munich I can't here because I am petrified of the aggressive behaviour of people screaming out car windows at me. Only yesterday morning after I'd dropped of my son to school did I experience this and it really shook me up that I cried all the way home because of the shock of it!! This has happened 5 times in the past month and a half and people don't care if you're a woman alone or with a young child!! It's really scary, you really wonder who are the terrorisers. It's not fair to almost live in fear, I'm pushing to learn to drive quicker so I can avoid such situations.
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