don't feed the model
Jul 18 2007, 12:58 pm
context:
Klimaschutzmaßnahmen, wie viele Umweltschutzmaßnahmen, sind in der Regel auch mit Verteilungsproblemen verbunden.
I just don't like the dict.cc or leo suggestions.
other suggestions?
MichiS
Jul 18 2007, 1:01 pm
distrobutional problems?
frizzyjen
Jul 18 2007, 1:01 pm
Not too sure on that one... depends on what the whole contxt is. I'm not sure I overly understand exactly what a 'Verteilungsproblem' is.. a problem with distributions/emissions/disseminations- which I know doesn't completely make sense!
Am also working on some translation some on finance at the moment and am not finding leo very useful...
MajorBummer
Jul 18 2007, 1:01 pm
Could you give an example of what exactly they mean by the Verteilungsproblem of Klimaschutz? What is being verteilt?
don't feed the model
Jul 18 2007, 1:02 pm
That is what leo and dict.cc suggest, but does this make sense then:
Climate protection measures, like many environment protection measures, are generally known to have distribution problems.
MichiS
Jul 18 2007, 1:04 pm
It doesn't sound too reasonable in German either
crusoe
Jul 18 2007, 1:04 pm
...associated with distribution issues.
don't feed the model
Jul 18 2007, 1:04 pm
The original text:
Klimaschutzmaßnahmen, wie viele Umweltschutzmaßnahmen, sind in der Regel auch mit Verteilungsproblemen verbunden. Gesamtwirtschaftlich sinnvolle Maßnahmen können vielfach nicht umgesetzt werden, wenn die Akzeptanz der Umsetzung entsprechender Maßnahmen nicht gegeben ist (selbst wenn die Verteilungspositionen nicht berührt werden) oder wenn die Maßnahmen nicht akzeptable Verteilungswirkungen nach sich ziehen.
That only really makes sense if you substitute 'Environmentally-friendly energy options' for 'Climate protection measures', or something similar.
Or if, for example, they were talking about a new technology that could be added to existing power stations, then you might say that there are problems with the take-up rate.
MajorBummer
Jul 18 2007, 1:06 pm
Ouch. That one is gonna need some thinking here.
frizzyjen
Jul 18 2007, 1:08 pm
QUOTE (Guy @ Jul 18 2007, 2:06 pm)

the take-up rate.
Thats kind of what I was just thinking ... something about the level of interest in them and the willingness of others to accept the measures
MajorBummer
Jul 18 2007, 1:08 pm
What are Verteilungspositionen supposed to be?
don't feed the model
Jul 18 2007, 1:10 pm
The general topic is on peatland protection and the conversion of agricultural land management to more climate-friendly peatland-saving management...
don't feed the model
Jul 18 2007, 1:11 pm
@majorBummer
That is the question. I am personally quite involved with this topic but just don't get that.
don't feed the model
Jul 18 2007, 1:13 pm
@frizzyjen
I think you are getting closer
MajorBummer
Jul 18 2007, 1:13 pm
I feel for you. I understand up to the point where that word get used. Still thinking, but gotta go in 10 minutes and will only be back online in the evening.
MichiS
Jul 18 2007, 1:14 pm
I can't find any real logic in these sentences. What is meant by the "Verteilungsprobleme", does it mean how wealth is spread over a nation?
If so the paragraph could be translated like:
Protectional measures for the climate, like many environmental protection measures, usually are connected to distributional problems.
Measures that are reasonable on a macroeconomic scale often can't be implemented if the acceptance of the implemantation of measures is not feasible (even if distributional aspects are not involved) or the measures install unbearable distributional effects.
Edit: rereading it, it just sounds as shitty as the German version.
MajorBummer
Jul 18 2007, 1:15 pm
Wouldn't they perhaps simply mean the implementation of the measures when using Verteilungsproblem?
Edit:
.. and then Verteilungspositionen would be something like "posten"(items)
... and Verteilungswirkung would be how effective these items are.
don't feed the model
Jul 18 2007, 1:17 pm
hmmm. that could be close. I will have to think about it some more. Thanks!
don't feed the model
Jul 18 2007, 1:18 pm
@majorBummer
i think so. I might have to go with that.
MajorBummer
Jul 18 2007, 1:19 pm
See my edit above.
MichiS
Jul 18 2007, 1:19 pm
don't forget to update us on what you actually wrote
tom_a
Jul 18 2007, 1:24 pm
I agree with MichiS - in the context, "Verteilung" refers to distribution of wealth (or income). It's the lingo of an economist.
don't feed the model
Jul 18 2007, 1:24 pm
I'll update ya later. I think I will move on and come back to it later.
Thanks everyone!
MajorBummer
Jul 18 2007, 9:59 pm
You can trust tom_a's judgement. His English is perfect, his German is perfect and he is an economist.
MichiS
Jul 20 2007, 7:56 am
So what was the text you used for your translation?
don't feed the model
Jul 20 2007, 9:01 am
Well, I am waiting for some feedback from my advisor (it was his text) I will be discussing it with him soon. I will let ya know.
MichiS
Jul 20 2007, 10:10 am
But you actually wrote something to show him, what was it? You wrote the translation was due two days ago at 15:30.
don't feed the model
Jul 24 2007, 11:36 am
Ok. I didn't want to post this--I wanted to wait for the correction from my advisor-- but some of you have got fire in your asses. I WILL LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CORRECTION ASAP. This is the translation I came up with--thank you all:
Climate protection measures, like many environment protection measures, are generally also known to have implementation problems. Measures that are reasonable from a macroeconomic point of view can, in many cases, not be implemented if there is no acceptance of the consequent measures to be taken (even if the distributional position is not affected) or if the measures do not achieve satisfactory implementation effects. Hence, in the latter case, it is to be assumed that alternative measures will be necessary. The early integration of respective stakeholders (regional and national) is essential, for one, to acknowledge the stakeholders’ concerns and for another, to work out the possibilities for the implementation of measures for climate protection. At the same time, with the intended participative approach, interested parties will be informed at an early stage.
Original text:
Klimaschutzmaßnahmen, wie viele Umweltschutzmaßnahmen, sind in der Regel auch mit Verteilungsproblemen verbunden. Gesamtwirtschaftlich sinnvolle Maßnahmen können vielfach nicht umgesetzt werden, wenn die Akzeptanz der Umsetzung entsprechender Maßnahmen nicht gegeben ist (selbst wenn die Verteilungspositionen nicht berührt werden) oder wenn die Maßnahmen nicht akzeptable Verteilungswirkungen nach sich ziehen. Im letzteren Fall ist daher davon auszugehen, dass Kompensationsmaßnahmen erforderlich sein werden. Die frühzeitige Einbindung der jeweiligen (regionalen und überregionalen) Stakeholder erweist sich als zwingend, um zum einen die Problemwahrnehmung der Stakeholder in Erfahrung zu bringen und zum anderen die Möglichkeiten der Umsetzung von Maßnahmen des Klimaschutzes ausloten zu können. Zugleich wird mit den angestrebten Partizipationsprozessen auch die frühzeitige Information der interessierten Kreise erreicht.
Once again, thanks for your help!
don't feed the model
Jul 24 2007, 11:40 am
Oh, I think implementation fit better than distribution but I left distribution in at one point and made a note for my advisor.
Remember: the text is about peatland protection (climate measures would therefore be peatland protection/restoration etc...) This is a bit different than monetary distribution or so. Let me know what you think.
don't feed the model
Jul 26 2007, 11:57 am
Ok, I
finally heard from my advisor and here is what it ended up being. The entire text can be found
here for those interested.
Climate protection measures, like many environment protection measures, are generally also known to have implementation problems. Measures that are reasonable from a macroeconomic point of view can, in many cases, not be implemented if there is no acceptance of the consequent measures to be taken (even if the distributional position is not affected) or if the measures do not achieve satisfactory implementation effects. Hence, in the latter case, it is to be assumed that alternative measures will be necessary. The early integration of respective stakeholders (regional and national) is essential, for one, to acknowledge the stakeholders’ concerns and for another, to work out the possibilities for the implementation of measures for climate protection. At the same time, with the intended participative approach, interested parties will be informed at an early stage.
Then in an email he said
distribution is o.k. But as I checked the website, he didn't change
implementation.
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