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Providing proof for EU citizen to work in Germany

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YorkshireLad6
QUOTE (Cocolino @ Jun 11 2008, 7:06 pm) *
Would you agree then, that the Birth Certificate is proof of citizenship and my Canadian passport/drivers license proof of identity?

Can't you read either?
QUOTE (Mariposa @ Jun 11 2008, 6:23 pm) *
However, you cannot use your birth certificate by itself to prove your EU/UK citizenship to German authorities. You still need the passport for that.
Mariposa
QUOTE (Cocolino @ Jun 11 2008, 7:06 pm) *
Mariposa,

Would you agree then, that the Birth Certificate is proof of citizenship and my Canadian passport/drivers license proof of identity?

No, as I already said, I don't. It may in the UK but you are in Germany because in Germany your UK birth certificate is not accepted as proof of citizenship. It is not the job of German officials to know British citizenship law. It is your job to prove you're a citizen. And the passport is the way to do this.

Good luck, but I do wonder how many trips to the authorities you want to make before you admit that there is no way around getting a UK passport. German authorities are not going to give in just because you are persistent. They are more persistent. wink.gif
Cocolino
I haven't gone once yet... and I don't intend on going twice either.

I think should point out that I lived in Switzerland from 1991 until 2005, working for the Swiss Government for 7 of those years. I get the impression that some of the people in here think I just got off the boat.

I'm very familiar with the German way of thinking, the persistence, stubbornness and the need for precision and accuracy (none of which are bad traits!)

My reason for posting here was to be fully prepared with all possible answers to the arguments that will be made when I go to the Ausländerstelle the first (and only) time. Until now, it was the fellow at the Ortsverwaltung who, when we were registering in the town, suggested that I'll have problems when I go to the Ausländerstelle. "Problems" don't worry me... nothing is impossible.

C.
highered
QUOTE (YorkshireLad6 @ Jun 11 2008, 6:14 pm) *
Your birth certificate proves (or goes towards proving) your right to citizenship; it is not, however proof of citizenship.

That depends. In the US, a US birth certificate is accepted as proof of citizenship in terms of right to work (I-94 form), etc.

Dual citizenship is simply a term used to describe those individuals who possess two (or more) citizenships. Whether or not someone is or is not a citizen depends on the laws of that country. In some countries, you are a citizen if you meet the specifications of those laws even if you have not taken any steps to obtain any DOCUMENTATION of your citizenship from the authorities. For example, some countries consider applications for passports based on descent not to be applications for citizenship, but rather for official *recognition* of that citizenship. There are also some countries that have been known to conscript eligible males who returning to their country of legal citizenship even if those individuals had not done anything to demonstrate their citizenship to the government.

QUOTE (Cocolino @ Jun 11 2008, 8:11 pm) *
"Problems" don't worry me... nothing is impossible.

You're right that nothing is impossible. And your "problems" will have an easy solution: get a UK passport.
leky
QUOTE (Owain Glyndwr @ Jun 11 2008, 5:16 pm) *
just because you don't have a travel document (which is all a passport is) it doesn't mean you ARE NOT a citizen.

A British citizen with a British birth certificate can fill out a form, send it off with a certified copy of the birth certificate and signature from a guarantor and, hey presto, within a few weeks they have a brand spanking passport to use for travel.

A person who is not yet a citizen cannot do this and would have to either naturalise or register as a citizen first.

Unless you can show some information from the home office showing that possession of a passport is necessary to BE a British citizen if you are outside of the UK, then I think you'll have to admit you are wrong on this one.

What if I lost my passport? Would I suddenly stop being British and have to naturalise?

Not quite so anymore if it is your first passport, you may have to have an interview. And another snippet from the identity and passports website:

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We need to see original documents that prove you are British. We cannot accept copies.

Please note that a birth certificate is not absolute proof of identity, and even if you were born in the UK we may ask to see further documents.
MrNosey
This is the usual b*llocks of "I'm an awkward twat and I'm going to find the most difficult solution taking the longest time to fix my problem."
If you're entitled to a British passport, get one - it's not difficult... problem solved.

You guys are arguing different things.
1. Residence and movement within your country of birth (UK assumed) doesn't require a passport (or birth certificate).
2. Wanting to leave your country of birth and visit or reside in 99.9% of all countries on the planet requires a passport.
3. Obtaining a passport requires your original birth certificate and additional information (signed photos and a statement from a person of 'standing' who has known the applicant personally for at least 2 years, for example).

In this case, the birth certificate as proof of citizenship is irrelevant.
If you're in my house (country) you follow my rules or you can leave. You're a guest... visiting is a privilege.
swimmer
How much does a UK passport cost?

Compare those costs against the costs of angsting for ages and wasting time on a fight you probably won't win. How much time spent just on this thread when you could have got the application prepared and sent?

A UK passport is what the process requires. Just as, say, certain processes need us to produce our UK issued EU driving licence. We`d get short shrift with: "but I've passed my test, it's a matter of record, so I'm entitled, so no need to follow your national process". Or we tried to register our residency and were asked for proof of address and replied with "it's a reality that I live there and so I'm not going to show you my rental agreement".
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