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German court bans Google from using name "Gmail"

Trademark already belongs to another company

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Malcolm Spudbury
Google loses "Gmail" trademark case

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A court in Germany today banned Google from using the name "Gmail" for its popular webmail service following a trademark suit filed by the founder of G-Mail.

Daniel Giersch (33), started using the name G-Mail in 2000, four years before Google released "Gmail".

"Google infringed the young businessman's trademark that had been previously been registered," said the Hanseatic Higher Regional Court in its judgement
Bumpy
Why does't google just make him an offer for 47 cents and buy it from him? I would call that fair-value for www.gmail.de
GreenTea
If they can't call it Gmail, what about Goo-Mail? That has a nice ring to it. biggrin.gif
Genie
Geez mail?
expat_J
apparently, the young man didnt reserve the .net, .com, .org, .eu, .at, etc. etc. Google is well within their rights IF they use the right suffix. However, they could easily just rap the dude some cash...then again, with the possibility of germans restricting internet usage, google will wait and see, as will the others, before pursuing free emails in germany. teach the short visioned germans a lesson about technology that seems "just catching on".

Switzerland and Austria has also ruled in favour of this man. If google is serious about its branding and corporate ID, they will most certainly take a minutes earnings and give it to him (in the millions).
Johnny English
The guy is a gold digger pure and simple. He is looking for cash from google and he will settle. For the sake of the court he has to pretend he has some clever viable alternative use for the domain - but that is a crock of shit and we all know it. But good luck to him - I would do the same.
expat_J
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Jul 6 2007, 11:46 am) *
The guy is a gold digger pure and simple. He is looking for cash from google and he will settle. For the sake of the court he has to pretend he has some clever viable alternative use for the domain - but that is a crock of shit and we all know it. But good luck to him - I would do the same.

Most start-ups started (sounds funny, doesnt it?) are for the very same purpose...in hopes of getting bought out by the larger corporate competitors: many people have sold their smaller business to ebay, microsoft, oracle, SAP, etc.

This guy had his Gmail name way prior to Google. Wouldnt you also "protect your corporate ID's" I just wish i was on his end...$$$$$$$$
Johnny English
For those interested in legal cyberspace laws, and google, I think the interesting one is about the use of trademarked and copyrighted terms in Adwords.

http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=3354411

There have been several cases already in the USA, but the court decisions so far have been ambiguous. 4 cases consider that the use of a competitor name
is illegal, and 2 found that it is legal so far. So it is a mess.

The big pending case is American Blinds (plaintiff) versus Google.

The issue is whether you can legally use a competitor brand name e.g. "Coca Cola" to find buyers on Google for your competitive product.

So when you search on "Coca Cola" should the user be shown an advert from Pepsi? It revolves around something called the Lanham Trademark Act.

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[20] Under the Lanham Act, “any person who shall, without the consent of
the registrant use in commerce any reproduction, counterfeit, copy, or
colorable imitation of a registered mark in connection with the sale,
offering for sale, distribution, or advertising of any goods or services on or
in connection with which such use is likely to cause confusion, or to cause
mistake, or to deceive� can be found liable for trademark infringement.48


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The Lanham Act also affords protection to unregistered trademarks,
imposing liability for unfair competition where a person uses in commerce any word, term, name, symbol, or
device, or any combination thereof, or any false designation
of origin, false or misleading description of fact, or false or
misleading representation of fact which . . . is likely to
cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive as to the
affiliation, connection, or association of such person
without another person, or as to the origin, sponsorship, or
approval of his or her goods, services, or commercial
activities by another . ...50

My guess is that the law will find AGAINST google, but the main case is due for jury trial in November this year,
and of course could settle out of court before that time.
berny
i love googles corporate mission statement.

1. Dont be evil.

FIN.
Bumpy
Reminds of me of the block from Canada named Mike Rowe who owned the domain name MikeRoweSoft.com

...the two parties reached an out of court settlement - in return for transferring ownership of the domain to Microsoft, Rowe would have his expenses paid, help moving to a new site MikeRoweForums.com, a subscription to MSDN, an Xbox, training for Microsoft certification and an all-expenses-paid trip to the Microsoft Research Tech Fest for him and his parents.[1] The legal documents from Microsoft's lawyers were later sold on eBay for over $1300.00. [2]
expat_J
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Jul 6 2007, 12:00 pm) *
For those interested in legal cyberspace laws, and google, I think the interesting one is about the use of trademarked and copyrighted terms in Adwords. http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=3354411

that definitely explains the use of meta tags, keywords, phrases for search engine spiders. Ebay is another example where the keywords and phrases arent directly challenging another's corporate ID:
Johnny English
Adwords is more the issue in this case than Metatags etc. It is clearly in usage for commerce, and I personally think it is WRONG that you can bid on a competitors unique tradename to flog your products.

For instance if I had spent a billion dollars promoting a brand like Nike, I would be pretty pissed off when a punter searched specifically for the word "Nike" having seen a TV advert etc, to then be presented with loads of ripoff versions.

In that case Google is clearly making revenue from the "Nike" brand name, and of course paying Nike nothing in return. I think that is unacceptable, and Google profiteering from their monopoly search engine situation.
silty1
It's all academic, really.

If you want to use google mail in Germany, your address is: soandso at googlemail.com instead of soandso at gmail.com

What's the big deal?

If you write the address as gmail.com, it still gets through. Try it and see.
Bandu
And now, Google forced to discontinue its Google Mail domain name in Germany? unsure.gif

westvan
I just found out about this tonight when I tried to log into my gmail account and got the above message. I can still use my account and both @gmail.com and @googlemail.com work for me.
Steve Shadforth
Is this the same Google that got into bed with the Chinese authorities?

Who cares.
William
QUOTE (GreenTea @ Jul 5 2007, 5:08 pm) *
If they can't call it Gmail, what about Goo-Mail?

Or GeeMail, they'll dominate the search rankings then. tongue.gif
minga
Email IDs will work. But www.gmail.com cannot be accessed through German ISPs. www.googlemail.com has to be used instead.
SquirrelKate
QUOTE (Bandu @ Jun 18 2008, 7:28 pm) *
And now, Google forced to discontinue its Google Mail domain name in Germany?


I just don't get it. Are they allowed to stop people accessing gmail.com in Germany? They don't own the URL so how can they control it!

It really threw me off when that came up on my screen the other day... I thought I'd never be able to read my emails again.
hughk
gmail.com is still working fine for me.
SquirrelKate
It works alright for me, but the moment I use my boyfriend's german laptop, it has a fit.
Chat_Capone
it happens everyday...someone has the rights to a name, logo, concept, etc. are always in a position to profit of some mega-giant blue chip firm wanting total ownership. I dont think the guy is a gold digger: if google wants exclusive rights to this name, then they need anty up and get it.
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