Every other thread seems to be about slagging off the Germans, the way they are, do things etc. If you hate them so much, why are you here? I am German myself and didn't like the Germans either when I was younger, that's why I moved to England 16 years ago.
Also interesting to see that the last thread about good things in Germany only got 13 replies compared to sometimes more than 100 when it comes to the bad things.
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Why are you here then?
You make a good point. Maybe some of these people are just letting off steam.
You guys invented the word Schadenfreude for crissakes. It is human nature to dwell on the shit stuff. 10 times more interesting to moan about Krauts than to discuss all the lovely stuff.
Think of this forum as a customer care department. No customer care department gets a call saying "Hi, just wanted to phone and say that I plugged in my new widget and it works".
Trust me on this - I am from London and I reckon I could currently fill a longer thread on the shit things about London than I could about Munich.
1. House prices
2. Food prices
3. Traffic
4. Stress
5. Racial frictions
6. Rude service
7. Aggressive drivers
8. Crap public transport
9. Long working hours
10. Rip off culture
Took 30 seconds to come up with the first 10. I was just thinking about booking a trip to London mid-July, then looked at the Terminal 4 queues in the rain on the news and thought...nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Think of this forum as a customer care department. No customer care department gets a call saying "Hi, just wanted to phone and say that I plugged in my new widget and it works".
Trust me on this - I am from London and I reckon I could currently fill a longer thread on the shit things about London than I could about Munich.
1. House prices
2. Food prices
3. Traffic
4. Stress
5. Racial frictions
6. Rude service
7. Aggressive drivers
8. Crap public transport
9. Long working hours
10. Rip off culture
Took 30 seconds to come up with the first 10. I was just thinking about booking a trip to London mid-July, then looked at the Terminal 4 queues in the rain on the news and thought...nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I don't think people would be living here if they didn't enjoy it.
People are quicker to moan. When everything is going well you don't tend to notice. And anyway I can guarantee you if you set up a similar thread about England, Ireland, US, Australia, NZ, etc you would get the exact same type of responses as you get in the German threads here.
Plus that good things thread is new. There are already similar threads about the good things living here if you do a search.
People are quicker to moan. When everything is going well you don't tend to notice. And anyway I can guarantee you if you set up a similar thread about England, Ireland, US, Australia, NZ, etc you would get the exact same type of responses as you get in the German threads here.
Plus that good things thread is new. There are already similar threads about the good things living here if you do a search.
Isn't complaining a German virtue?
think some people are just letting off steam. there are other threads on the good things in Germany, the other thread will fill up too, give it time!
This forum brings out the worst in people.
What I mean is, that the forum is likely to have a average cross section of society posting on it. Yet its members often appear much worse and more negative (see other thread) than when you meet a cross section of society elsewhere.
What I mean is, that the forum is likely to have a average cross section of society posting on it. Yet its members often appear much worse and more negative (see other thread) than when you meet a cross section of society elsewhere.
One could complain about any Country as there are drawbacks to living anywhere period. As long as I'm alive, I have no complaints. Worries??? Yes...I came here 30 years ago to get away from a dysfunctional America, and I planned to stay. Adopting a different culture requires that you either become part of it in every way or there will always be frustrations. Germans have their problems as well, they aren't well liked elsewhere because of their personality traits. Some of the very traits that Americans, French and Russians have as well. But I tell you what...once you have made a German friend, you will always have someone you can depend on...at least that has been my experience. Just don't expect all the touchy-feely(sic) stuff that Americans are known for...that kind of behavior can be very phony as well. Bottom line...enjoy the culture, the people and above all the beer.
Cheers to you, BirdBrain.
Hahaha.
After just a few months of reading this forum, the endless generalizations ("Why are Germans like this?" "Why do they stare?" "Why do they shake hands so often?") are becoming quite tedious to me. True, TT is a place for people to vent, but how many really go out of their way to put aside their preconceptions and engage with Germany on Germany's terms.
One reason I'm here is that Germany fascinates me on many levels. I must live here for at least a few years just to get my head around it. Doesn't mean I think that Germans are the best people in the world, or that I'll marry one ... But who knows, there are about 90 million Germans, so pretty much anything is possible. People are people. I take everything I read here with a huge grain of salt.
That sounds fair. It's just as easy to bitch about my, uhh, homeland, if not easier... but it wouldn't serve much of a purpose.
Do Germans find the threads on TT to be offensive, I wonder?
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Jul 4 2007, 4:09 pm) 
Think of this forum as a customer care department.
Hahaha.
After just a few months of reading this forum, the endless generalizations ("Why are Germans like this?" "Why do they stare?" "Why do they shake hands so often?") are becoming quite tedious to me. True, TT is a place for people to vent, but how many really go out of their way to put aside their preconceptions and engage with Germany on Germany's terms.
One reason I'm here is that Germany fascinates me on many levels. I must live here for at least a few years just to get my head around it. Doesn't mean I think that Germans are the best people in the world, or that I'll marry one ... But who knows, there are about 90 million Germans, so pretty much anything is possible. People are people. I take everything I read here with a huge grain of salt.
QUOTE (jester @ Jul 4 2007, 4:09 pm)
I can guarantee you if you set up a similar thread about England, Ireland, US, Australia, NZ, etc you would get the exact same type of responses as you get in the German threads here.
That sounds fair. It's just as easy to bitch about my, uhh, homeland, if not easier... but it wouldn't serve much of a purpose.
Do Germans find the threads on TT to be offensive, I wonder?
No. Mostly not. At least I don't. Some actually make me think about my own behaviour.
But I never noticed anyone staring at me or me staring at others, as this seems to be a very disturbing point to most.
But I never noticed anyone staring at me or me staring at others, as this seems to be a very disturbing point to most.
Ever heard of culture shock?
QUOTE (BadMother @ Jul 4 2007, 4:00 pm)
why are you here?
I have no other place to go ?
?
QUOTE (krostitzer @ Jul 4 2007, 4:25 pm)
Do Germans find the threads on TT to be offensive, I wonder?
Not really. I understand that people need a medium to let steam off. I am German and I have been living in England for the last 11 months. There are quite a few things here, too, that I find akward/annoying/weird, but there also are heaps of things that I do like, i. e. this whole customer service / being polite thing or the huge supermarkets that Germany obviously lacks. Having said that, I also need to let some steam off, quite often actually, and it helps to do that with another expat friend who understands. Another good way seems to be a forum like this or similar.
I don't find it too offensive, probably because I not what it can sometimes feel like, living in a foreign country where so many things are just different.
My fiance (who is English) and I are going to move to Munich in a few weeks time, and you know what, it may even be good that there is so much negative stuff said about Germany, so I am sure he will be so positively surprised how nice it can actually be when you are there if that makes sense, because he is already warned about the German's staring, lack of customer care, bureaucracy, lack of salt and vinegar crisps, the mullet hairdos etc.
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Jul 4 2007, 4:09 pm)
Trust me on this - I am from London and I reckon I could currently fill a longer thread on the shit things about London than I could about Munich.
1. House prices
2. Food prices
3. Traffic
4. Stress
5. Racial frictions
6. Rude service
7. Aggressive drivers
8. Crap public transport
9. Long working hours
10. Rip off culture
1. House prices
2. Food prices
3. Traffic
4. Stress
5. Racial frictions
6. Rude service
7. Aggressive drivers
8. Crap public transport
9. Long working hours
10. Rip off culture
You just reminded me why I'm here JE. Besides, Fullers London Pride pales into the pisspan compared to yer mighty Bavarian brews.
So here goes then. 10 good reasons for living in Munich:
1. The bier
2. Biergartens
3. Bavarian beauties (must think of something not beginning with 'B')
4. Oodles of public holdays
5. Superb public transport (I'm also from London. They bomb our Underground and nobody notices the bleedin' difference... that's how bad it is)
6. Bits of Autobahn with no speed limit, YEAH!
7. A superb airport. We've got Heathrow (I want to vomit), Gatwick (miles from anywhere), Luton (sheer class... not), Stansted (nobody ever makes it back alive from the edge of the World), and City (OK. I admit, I like London City Airport).
8. Big, big, fuck-off mountains
9. Clean air
10. Brez'n (superb for smearin' a little of the unmentionable stuff onto)
I find a lot of people slag off "Germans" here for doing annoying/unusual things, but the "Germans" they are slagging off are not doing it cause they are German, they are just doing it cause they are annoying/unusual people.. instead of coming to this conclusion, as they would in their own country, they just blame "the Germans"..
Just go to www.deutsche-in-london.net/forum and you get the same in reverse...
Well I admit I do love a good moan wherever I am. I like to share jokes here with people who'd get them.
My posts are (I hope) half half. For every moan there is hopefully a positive post. For example, when something interesting is happening in the sky I post it up for anyone who is interested.
My posts are (I hope) half half. For every moan there is hopefully a positive post. For example, when something interesting is happening in the sky I post it up for anyone who is interested.
QUOTE (BadMother @ Jul 4 2007, 4:00 pm)
Every other thread seems to be about slagging off the Germans, the way they are, do things etc. If you hate them so much, why are you here? I am German myself
Ah, relax. There are millions of good reasons for people to want to get this off their chest. A chat board on the Internet is the perfect place for it. And the Germans DESERVE a good slagging off once in a while.
If it offends you so much, why are you here? Or better yet, why not focus on the positive aspects of the site instead of complaining!
In other words, you're doing nearly the same.
Hmmm, and I wouldn´t say there´s an absolute lack in Germany and/or this forum of slagging off Americans, either. It´s all to be taken with a grain of salt.
QUOTE (osmachar @ Jul 4 2007, 4:51 pm)
Just go to www.deutsche-in-london.net/forum and you get the same in reverse...
Brilliant site:
QUOTE
Was macht eigentlich das Leben in London lebenswert?
QUOTE
Als erstes fällt mir zu Frage als Anwort nur ein Wort ein:
nichts.
Vielleicht, weil ich, Gott sei Dank, nicht in London lebe.
Bei genauerem Nachdenken ist das kulturelle Angebot und das latente Abenteuer des "Öffentlichen Nahverkehrs" icon_rolleyes die Hauptattraktion für mich.
nichts.
Vielleicht, weil ich, Gott sei Dank, nicht in London lebe.
Bei genauerem Nachdenken ist das kulturelle Angebot und das latente Abenteuer des "Öffentlichen Nahverkehrs" icon_rolleyes die Hauptattraktion für mich.
Gotta love the Jerries
QUOTE (BadMother @ Jul 4 2007, 4:00 pm)
I am German myself and didn't like the Germans either when I was younger, that's why I moved to England 16 years ago.
So what do you think of the English...?
QUOTE ("jeremy")
Well I admit I do love a good moan wherever I am
I think we Brits like a good moan. Goes well with a nice cup of tea and some chocolate Hobnobs. Especially futile moaning after the fact. When I returned to the UK after spending an extended period abroad for the first time, one of the first things I noticed was the whinging conversations on buses and in the street. It didn't seem surprising that the Australians speak about "whinging poms".
I think we Brits like a good moan. Goes well with a nice cup of tea and some chocolate Hobnobs. Especially futile moaning after the fact. When I returned to the UK after spending an extended period abroad for the first time, one of the first things I noticed was the whinging conversations on buses and in the street. It didn't seem surprising that the Australians speak about "whinging poms".Anyway, having a good moan is a great bonding experience, isn't it? Someone I know uses the following expression for people who go further than moaning and who choose to be nasty about others: "Lästern verbindet sehr".
I just think it's funny to slag off anybody and anything. I don't hate germans, I dont hate anybody. Just fun to poke some fun at things they do different.
Good God this whole discussion has been done to death! Oodles of threads on this subject: Why do you live in Germany if you hate it so much?
The first specific topic that springs to mind: Why live in Munich if you hate it?
The first specific topic that springs to mind: Why live in Munich if you hate it?
GeorgiaGirl.
Would it be correct to say that you are therefore moaning about, someone moaning about, people moaning about people that are usually moaning about other people that moan?
Would it be correct to say that you are therefore moaning about, someone moaning about, people moaning about people that are usually moaning about other people that moan?
I think so, yeah.
Anyway I love the Germans. I think they're peachy keen. I've even heard of some foreigners successfully mating with Germans. Not something I'd advise of course, but I'm told it can be done.
Anyway I love the Germans. I think they're peachy keen. I've even heard of some foreigners successfully mating with Germans. Not something I'd advise of course, but I'm told it can be done.
That doesn't bear thinking about. Imagine the results of that kinda breeding. Miserable weak little creatures like gollums, with bad teeth, dreadful blood circulation and sarcastic whining that are scared of draughty windows.
Shudder the thought.
Shudder the thought.
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Jul 4 2007, 5:19 pm)
Miserable weak little creatures like gollums, with bad teeth, dreadful blood circulation and sarcastic whining
Or what we like to call 'England'.
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Jul 4 2007, 5:19 pm)
That doesn't bear thinking about. Imagine the results of that kinda breeding. Miserable weak little creatures like gollums, with bad teeth, dreadful blood circulation and sarcastic whining that are scared of draughty windows.
Oi! Leave the Belgians alone, mush.
Leave the Belgians alone, mush.
QUOTE (Keydeck @ Jul 4 2007, 5:20 pm)
Or what we like to call 'England'.
Dangerous. Very dangerous.
Ha, you're just miffed cuz I got in before you. Anyway, what do you care, you're a viking or something.
Did I miss don_riina on here or didn't he realize a thread like this was opened?
QUOTE (HelterSkelter @ Jul 4 2007, 5:28 pm)
Did I miss don_riina or didn't he realize a thread like this was opened?
He's probably stoned, lyin' on his back in a field and dreamin' about light sabres. You know him.
QUOTE (Keydeck @ Jul 4 2007, 5:24 pm)
Ha, you're just miffed cuz I got in before you. Anyway, what do you care, you're a viking or something.
Might be. But I wouldn't admit it. There ain't no vikings no more, mush. I'm just descended from a family that did a bit of viking a while back. Would be fun to have another go I freely admit, so long as I don't get blue lights and sirens following me around everywhere.
QUOTE (georgiagirl @ Jul 4 2007, 5:15 pm)
I've even heard of some foreigners successfully mating with Germans.
I've done this and am very pleased with the results. They are good breeding stock these Germans. Carry on.
QUOTE (HelterSkelter @ Jul 4 2007, 5:28 pm)
Did I miss don_riina on here or didn't he realize a thread like this was opened?
...or cracking open his second beer...
QUOTE (Sin @ Jul 4 2007, 5:33 pm)
I'm just descended from a family that did a bit of viking a while back.
Would that be an equivalent to O2 contractors...?
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Jul 4 2007, 5:19 pm)
That doesn't bear thinking about. Imagine the results of that kinda breeding. Miserable weak little creatures like gollums, with bad teeth, dreadful blood circulation and sarcastic whining that are scared of draughty windows.
QUOTE (Punchbear @ Jul 4 2007, 5:38 pm)
I've done this and am very pleased with the results. They are good breeding stock these Germans. Carry on.
Me too. The results are not weak little gollums - son at 18 is over 6' tall & daughter isnt much shorter
Any they have their windows open at the moment.
Dude - my eldest is size 42 shoes. He just turned 11. I dread to think where it ends.
Me too - the result is gorgeous even if I do say so myself!
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Jul 4 2007, 5:59 pm)
Dude - my eldest is size 42 shoes. He just turned 11. I dread to think where it ends.
Our 18 yr old has shoe size 46 & even worse - he flies my glider
Ew! That means all you people totally had sex with Germans! Sick! Sick!
Just kidding of course. While actual reproduction would be rather premature for me at this stage, I am not adverse to preliminary experimentation.
Just kidding of course. While actual reproduction would be rather premature for me at this stage, I am not adverse to preliminary experimentation.
QUOTE (georgiagirl @ Jul 4 2007, 6:05 pm)
Ew! That means all you people totally had sex with Germans! Sick! Sick!
As they used to say on "Round the Horne": Many times, many many times...
QUOTE (BadMother @ Jul 4 2007, 4:00 pm)
why are you here?
why do I have to justify my views for you?
Everyone likes to let off alittle steam and hello, things are not the same as the places most of us grew up in. Things are different. Heck, I have Canadian friends that live in the USA and complain about that, even my girlfriend that lives in Jamacia likes to moan about some things... its human nature. Just watch all those shows on Germany Tele about the Germans that have moved to Spain, Canada, USA, Thailand, Australia and NZ... they also have growing pains and complain about things.
QUOTE (georgiagirl @ Jul 4 2007, 6:05 pm)
Ew! That means all you people totally had sex with Germans! Sick! Sick!
I only have 2 kids.
QUOTE (georgiagirl @ Jul 4 2007, 5:08 pm)
Good God this whole discussion has been done to death! Oodles of threads on this subject: Why do you live in Germany if you hate it so much?
One reason it keeps coming up again and again is that there are always new people coming onto the forum, new in Germany, going through culture shock and needing to vent about it. Then again, there's folks like me, been here 30-odd years and still enjoy a good moan about the Germans from time to time.
One thing I have noticed though, is that since I've been on TT (a bit more than a year), and reading all the "slagging-off-the-Germans" threads, I'm beginning to see Germany in a more positive light than I ever did before. It's therapeutic.
QUOTE (Sin @ Jul 4 2007, 4:41 pm)
Brez'n (superb for smearin' a little of the unmentionable stuff onto)
Ooh, Brez'n and UDBS - that reminds me, I want to try that in a Munich Biergarten sometime. In fact, I think I might take a jar of the stuff along to the next Tin Foil Hat Convention. If we're going to risk getting arrested for dangerously eccentric behaviour, might as well do the job properly.
QUOTE (Sin @ Jul 4 2007, 5:30 pm)
Did I miss don_riina or didn't he realize a thread like this was opened?
Yeah, I'm late man.
QUOTE (Sin @ Jul 4 2007, 5:30 pm)
He's probably stoned, lyin' on his back in a field and dreamin' about light sabres. You know him.
Bloomin' sauce. I will admit to watching "Fantastic 4, Rise of the Silver Surfer" the other day though, whilst a bit caned, and sitting under a tree.
QUOTE (BadMother @ Jul 4 2007, 4:00 pm)
If you hate them so much, why are you here?
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Seriously. AAAARRRGGGHH.
Dunno about anyone else, but the English slate everything, and lets face it, a place full of blokes who almost all own a pair of fucking sandals, and some leather shorts, and wear glasses that they don't need, but that they perceive to give them superawesome intellectual powers...well, it's ripe for the picking.
Anyway, at least not liking a country that you've moved to, but were not born in, and moaning about it by typing stuff on interweb is harmless. At least I don't decide to blow shit up..
QUOTE (BadMother @ Jul 4 2007, 4:00 pm)
I moved to England 16 years ago.
Whilst you're there, can you try and convince all those islamists that were actually bloody born in England, to post their bile on the web, rather than blow shit up? It's getting on my fucking tits.
I´m half German and only 162 cm. I guess something went wrong in the breeding process.
no. if you ever go shoe shopping here, men's usually max out at 42. Germans are SMALL.
QUOTE (osmachar @ Jul 4 2007, 4:51 pm)
Just go to www.deutsche-in-london.net/forum and you get the same in reverse...
Das Schlimmste, das wirklich Aller-Allerschlimmste an englischen Frauen ist die Eigenschaft, in normalen Unterhaltungen, vornehmlich mit anderen Frauen, völlig mühelos das achtgestrichene C in rund 120 Dezibel zu erreichen und so Weingläser, Panzerglasscheiben und mitteleuropäische Trommelfelle zum Bersten zu bringen. Immer mehr Touristen kommen mit blutenden Ohren aus englischen Pubs, weil sie völlig unvorbereitet in eine Hen-Night geraten sind.
DAS nervt. Und scheiße aussehen tun sie sowieso fast alle.
Was unter anderem daran lieget, daß alle mit einer an die linke Hand getackerten Walkers-Chips-Tüte auf die Welt kommen. Das hat Mutter Natur clever eingerichtet, die rechte Hand bleibt so nämlich frei, um bei Bedarf eine Flasche Chardonnay aufnehmen zu können.
Findet
Gerhard
Diplom-Frauenbeauftragter (GB)
Ein sehr lustiges Thema!!!
Sehr gerne gebe ich meinen Senf dazu
Erotik und Englische Männer? Diese beiden Begriffe liegen in meinen Augen so weit auseinander wie Leberwurst und Nutella.
Engländer sind das Unerotischste was ich kenne! Im Detail:
-Knackarsch: Vergiss es! Engländer haben keinen Hintern, und das was sowieso nicht vorhanden ist wird in schlabberigen Hosen noch weniger attraktiv gestaltet.
-Breites Kreuz oder Schultern: In jungen Jahren schon nicht vorhanden, im späteren Alter neigt sich die Figur des gemeinen Engländers in Richtung "Deutschen Edeltanne" (oben schmall, unten breit)
-Waschbrettbauch: Umpf! Durch Chips-Sandwich-Allohol Konsum eher hart erarbeiteter weisser Wabbelbauch, der gemeinsam mit dem Hemd über die Hose hängt.
Soll ich weiter machen? Weitere Themen wären "Bräune", "Frisuren" oder "Das gepflegte Auftreten per se".
Aber Aba hat recht: Robbie und auch Ronan Keating finde ich auch lecker!!
Das Schlimmste, das wirklich Aller-Allerschlimmste an englischen Frauen ist die Eigenschaft, in normalen Unterhaltungen, vornehmlich mit anderen Frauen, völlig mühelos das achtgestrichene C in rund 120 Dezibel zu erreichen und so Weingläser, Panzerglasscheiben und mitteleuropäische Trommelfelle zum Bersten zu bringen. Immer mehr Touristen kommen mit blutenden Ohren aus englischen Pubs, weil sie völlig unvorbereitet in eine Hen-Night geraten sind.
DAS nervt. Und scheiße aussehen tun sie sowieso fast alle.
Was unter anderem daran lieget, daß alle mit einer an die linke Hand getackerten Walkers-Chips-Tüte auf die Welt kommen. Das hat Mutter Natur clever eingerichtet, die rechte Hand bleibt so nämlich frei, um bei Bedarf eine Flasche Chardonnay aufnehmen zu können.
Findet
Gerhard
Diplom-Frauenbeauftragter (GB)
Ein sehr lustiges Thema!!!
Sehr gerne gebe ich meinen Senf dazu
Erotik und Englische Männer? Diese beiden Begriffe liegen in meinen Augen so weit auseinander wie Leberwurst und Nutella.
Engländer sind das Unerotischste was ich kenne! Im Detail:
-Knackarsch: Vergiss es! Engländer haben keinen Hintern, und das was sowieso nicht vorhanden ist wird in schlabberigen Hosen noch weniger attraktiv gestaltet.
-Breites Kreuz oder Schultern: In jungen Jahren schon nicht vorhanden, im späteren Alter neigt sich die Figur des gemeinen Engländers in Richtung "Deutschen Edeltanne" (oben schmall, unten breit)
-Waschbrettbauch: Umpf! Durch Chips-Sandwich-Allohol Konsum eher hart erarbeiteter weisser Wabbelbauch, der gemeinsam mit dem Hemd über die Hose hängt.
Soll ich weiter machen? Weitere Themen wären "Bräune", "Frisuren" oder "Das gepflegte Auftreten per se".
Aber Aba hat recht: Robbie und auch Ronan Keating finde ich auch lecker!!
Retaliation goes on. Almost as destructive as the Vergeltungswaffen in the old days, the guys in UK.
Haha hilarious, and I happen to agree on some of those points about us English
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