Krista
Jul 29 2003, 8:06 am
OK, when I first got here, a fellow ex-pat warned me that my German co-workers would someday call in with "Kreislauf Probleme." I laughed at this thinking that my German co-workers--all between the ages of 25 and 40--were too young to suffer such infirmity. Well what do you know...within the last three weeks, 3 of the 9 (9 including me that is) have called in sick with Kreislauf Probleme, gone home sick with Kreislauf Probleme, or just complained non-stop about Kreislauf Probleme.
As a hearty American used to coming in to work and making it through the day, strep throat/ear infection/bad cold/slight fever or not, I just don't get it. What are Kreislauf Probleme (I know they're circulation problems), how do you get 'em, and why do only Germans seems to suffer from them?
koala
Jul 29 2003, 8:25 am
Krista,
I work in an English-speakers only translation agency and not all that long ago we had a rather amusing lunchtime with our collection of medical dictionaries... chasing the Kreislauf phenomenon round the dictionaries...
The final concensus was that it all appears to be "in the mind"... Apparently the Brits use the excuse 'back trouble' when they don't fancy going to work/fancy leaving hte office early and the Germans use Kreislauf Probleme or Kreislaufkollapse! Personally I think if my Kreislauf was to collapse I would probably curl up and die .. but the Germans suffer from it on a regular basis without any lasting damage... the best translation we were able to come up with was ... I'm feeling a bit under the weather!
kathie
Jul 29 2003, 1:34 pm
I'm with Koala on this one. Kreislaufprobleme are the summer equivalent of a cold (which is also a perfectly acceptable excuse to stay at home). Germans are basically so obsessed with their health that as soon as they feel a bit light headed when it's 40° outside, or in winter as soon as they have to clear their throats, they stay at home. Who knows what it could turn into otherwise? Antoehr example for this obsession with health are those toilets with the ledges, so you can have a good look at what you've left behind...
hoddysded
Jul 29 2003, 2:53 pm
Nah, those toilets don't have anything to do with the German's obsession with their health Kathie. Just gives them an excuse to clean throughout the day.
Elfenstar
Aug 2 2003, 9:08 am
to me "kreislaufproblem" means simply, you are so fucking tired that you can hardly get out of bed. where you have absolutely no energy and get really dizzy if you stand up too quickly or turn your head too fast or can't even manage to lather up the soap in your hair. since i have really low blood pressure, i feel like this all the time, okay not so bad, but i could sleep 10 hours a day and still be tired!
when i want to play hooky, i say i have "magen/darm" problems. nothing like having the shits at work. and since we all use the same toilet, they're like "ooooh, stay home!" `cause it is contagious!
strangely, last year the average no. of days a german missed work because of sickness dropped down to 3.8 or so.
Lorelei
Aug 23 2007, 2:38 pm
When someone says that they have "Kreislaufprobleme", what do they actually mean? In English, "circulation problems" tends to imply (at least to me) that you have something wrong with the blood supply to your arms and legs: numb fingers and toes, varicose veins, that kind of thing.
But I have the impression that "Kreislaufprobleme" has more to do with feeling faint/dizzy... or something like that. Still can't work out what exactly it's supposed to mean or how it might be described in English.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Owain Glyndwr
Aug 23 2007, 2:39 pm
It means you are suffering from Germanitis.
Mariposa
Aug 23 2007, 2:48 pm
Kreislaufprobleme as Elf said, are essentially the result of low blood pressure. Light-headedness, dizziness, fainting, etc. Some people just prefer not to have to faint first.
rick_de
Aug 23 2007, 2:52 pm
And the best cure for "circulation problems" I would have thought is to get off your ass and get some exercise - like going to work!
Welsh man
Aug 23 2007, 2:55 pm
a few pints of beer help the blood pressure and circulation
MoiLV
Aug 23 2007, 2:55 pm
This is the best thread ev-ah.
I was thinking the same thing last week when one of my colleagues said he had Kreislaufprobleme, and another one says it every other day, it seems. It's like the problem with getting neck aches from open windows and wind.

(ha ha, I love that this smiley's called "wacko")
Then, on Sunday, after being at the Chiemsee reggae festival all day Saturday and drinking too many beck's beers, I was exhausted. I slept all day and still managed to get to sleep Sunday night. I wondered to myself, "could this be a Kreislaufproblem?" But I couldn't answer my own question, because I, and no one else seems to know what that is. But I would also go with this:
QUOTE(Elfenstar @ Aug 2 2003, 10:08 am)

to me "kreislaufproblem" means simply, you are so fucking tired that you can hardly get out of bed. where you have absolutely no energy and get really dizzy if you stand up too quickly or turn your head too fast or can't even manage to lather up the soap in your hair. since i have really low blood pressure, i feel like this all the time, okay not so bad, but i could sleep 10 hours a day and still be tired!
Editor Bob
Aug 23 2007, 2:56 pm
From
The Xenophobe's Guide to the Germans:
QUOTE
Virtually all Germans have health problems, and if they don't, there must be something wrong with them. Most of what ails them is stress related. No nation was ever more stressed, but this is understandable. After all, running Europe can take it out of you. The delicacy of the German constitution has long been recognized, and smoothly running systems put in place to keep it going. In the 1880s Bismarck set up a national
health insurance scheme. Today that national health insurance underpins a vast and wonderful network of doctors, specialists, hospitals and spas. As with the French, the Germans devote enormous resources to the treatment of an
illness that doesn't exist, the notorious
Kreislaufstörung. While the rest of us go to meet our maker once our circulation stops, the Germans routinely recover from it and go on to lead useful and productive lives. Once they are good at it, they can have a Kreislaufstörung as often as twice a month without it seriously impairing their social life. Treatment for this frightening disease varies. However, it has been shown to respond positively to three weeks on a Greek beach.
DanHessen
Aug 23 2007, 2:58 pm
Actually this mystery illness has been largely stamped out. At least in Financial Services. I haven't heard that excuse in 6-7 years. In the early 90's it was a daily occurrence.
Eleanor Rigby
Aug 23 2007, 3:00 pm
As much as I hate reinforcing stereotypes this is so true!
sarabyrd
Aug 23 2007, 3:04 pm
QUOTE(rick_de @ Aug 23 2007, 3:52 pm)

And the best cure for "circulation problems" I would have thought is to get off your ass and get some exercise - like going to work!
I will be sure to pass this on to my co-worker who is hospitalized for six weeks being checked for the reason for her palpitations, dizzyness and fainting spells. It should get a laugh from her and the cardiologist.
Moonboot
Aug 23 2007, 3:04 pm
also haven't heard this excuse in yonks either. perhaps it's been eradicated!
Owain Glyndwr
Aug 23 2007, 3:07 pm
QUOTE(DanHessen @ Aug 23 2007, 3:58 pm)

Actually this mystery illness has been largely stamped out.
not in Bayern. The excuse is usually brought up in conjunction with Fön.
edit: MB, I've heard it quite often. People are always jammering about the Fön and their Kreislauf in our office. Usually restricted to the 40+ crowd but you occasionally get the odd 20 something wilting lilly.
worm
Aug 23 2007, 3:16 pm
i'm a 20-something with a lilting willy - is this a kreislaufprobleme?
Lorelei
Aug 23 2007, 3:37 pm
QUOTE(Mariposa @ Aug 23 2007, 3:48 pm)

Kreislaufprobleme as Elf said, are essentially the result of low blood pressure. Light-headedness, dizziness, fainting, etc. Some people just prefer not to have to faint first.
Brings to mind Victorian ladies, with their fainting fits, "hysterics" and "feeble circulation" (see below). Apparently to be tackled with ... smelling salts and open windows ...
http://www.victorianlondon.org/cassells/cassells-4.htmQUOTE
DOMESTIC SURGERY.-V.
SUSPENDED ANIMATION.
UNDER the head of suspended animation are included all those cases of apparent death in which, by the judicious application of appropriate remedies, the patient may be restored to vitality and health. The simplest form of suspended animation is that seen in fainting, when, from the effects of heat or over-exertion (combined possibly with tight lacing), a young lady becomes pale, falls down insensible, and appears scarcely to breathe. The admission of fresh air is of the first importance, and she should be immediately placed near an open window, and in the recumbent position. so that the flow of blood to the head may be accelerated. At the same time, any tightness of dress should be at once remedied, and a little cold water sprinkled in the face. The use of smelling-salts is occasionally of service in rousing a patient, but care must be taken not to apply them too vigorously, for fear of irritating the nose. If, as sometimes happens, a fainting-fit is only the prelude to a fit of hysterics, the patient should be thoroughly roused by the free application of cold water, so soon as the hysterical sobbings begin to show themselves, and a brisk walk up and down the room, between two not too sympathising friends, will then probably avert a domestic catastrophe which is always annoying to all concerned. Persons with a feeble circulation, and, therefore, more liable to faintness, may be glad to know that they can often avert a fainting-fit when they feel it coming on, by at once lying down flat on a sofa; or, if from position - as in church - this is impossible, then that bowing the head well down on the knees will have the same effect.
eurovol
Aug 23 2007, 4:51 pm
QUOTE(worm @ Aug 23 2007, 4:16 pm)

i'm a 20-something with a lilting willy - is this a kreislaufprobleme?
More like a kreisis!
Snow White
Aug 23 2007, 6:00 pm
Kreislaufstörung! That reminds me... A few years ago I was on holiday in Egypt and collapsed in the street. When I came round I'd temporarily lost my vision, bladder control etc. Embarrassing but I was too gone to care. Was taken to hospital, they didn't know what it was and advised me to fly back to
Germany and see a doctor there. After a week in bed I managed the flight back, went to straight to my doctor and was diagnosed as suffering from a Kreislaufstörung due to the season having changed from spring to winter. "These things happen to us all in April" said the doc.
zargorn
Aug 23 2007, 6:42 pm
Kreislaufprobleme what you get when you sit in an office all day with no exercise. I had regular headaches last year. Together with seeing an "aura" that made reading or looking at a comupter screen completely impossible. Started to exercise more regularly and it went away.
Mariposa
Aug 23 2007, 10:49 pm
QUOTE(Lorelei @ Aug 23 2007, 4:37 pm)

Brings to mind Victorian ladies, with their fainting fits, "hysterics" and "feeble circulation"
Haha yeah I actually had to think of that too. But last summer while it was hot, I had very low blood pressure, was dizzy and couldn't even keep water in, and I would say that was a Kreislaufstörung too, related to the low blood pressure.
I have fainted once, but I was 11 and sick. I myself really don't suffer from Kreislaufstörung a lot (in fact except for the random dizzy spells, that time last summer was the last time) but I do not believe it is a made-up condition. Sure some people may use it as an excuse but some people actually have problems with it.
Hutcho
Aug 24 2007, 8:45 am
I come from Australia where it's hotter than here, and I've never heard of such a thing before. If it's not a made up condition, why don't people there suffer from it? Could it possibly be that when it's really hot (30 degree's doesn't count as really hot), and people feel a bit dizzy, they just go somewhere cool for a second and then get on with things? IN my opinion it is a made up condition perpetrated by people that are far too sensitive.
While I'm at it, the changing of temperatures between seasons does NOT give you an illness. I have never heard such a ridiculous idea before. I used to work in a department store where lots of people would spend a few hours at -18 degrees in the freezer, then come out and work a few hours in 35 degree heat. No one got sick from that shit.
Beg Tets
Aug 24 2007, 8:57 am
QUOTE(koala @ Jul 29 2003, 9:25 am)

Kreislauf Probleme...the best translation we were able to come up with was ... I'm feeling a bit under the weather!
"I can't be arsed" would be closer to the mark.
MoiLV
Aug 24 2007, 9:04 am
QUOTE(Hutcho @ Aug 24 2007, 8:45 am)

I come from Australia where it's hotter than here, and I've never heard of such a thing before. If it's not a made up condition, why don't people there suffer from it? Could it possibly be that when it's really hot (30 degree's doesn't count as really hot), and people feel a bit dizzy, they just go somewhere cool for a second and then get on with things? IN my opinion it is a made up condition perpetrated by people that are far too sensitive.
Yes, being from Vegas where temperatures reach over 50 degrees I can't identify with Mariposa's statement either. The differences is, you and I are used to the heat and know how to cool off. About 10 years ago Chicago's summer heat hit a record high and a lot of people died from overheating/exhaustian. In Australia, or Las Vegas, you jump in the pool if it's hot, or you go inside into the air conditioning, or turn on the fan. Some people just can't deal with it if it hits them quickly. However, I don't think overheating or exhaustian has anything to do with circulation problems, but I can't really say since I'm not a doctor.
QUOTE(Hutcho @ Aug 24 2007, 8:45 am)

While I'm at it, the changing of temperatures between seasons does NOT give you an illness. I have never heard such a ridiculous idea before. I used to work in a department store where lots of people would spend a few hours at -18 degrees in the freezer, then come out and work a few hours in 35 degree heat. No one got sick from that shit.
Again, coming from Las Vegas, I am totally used to the hot-cold-hot-cold changes from going into the heat from an air-conditioned place and back again - these changes never ever made me sick because, I assume, my body was used to it. However, the only times I do get sick is when the weather changes drastically (freezing cold one day, hot the next). So I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I can't explain why it's that way, but it's the truth.
Mariposa
Aug 24 2007, 11:50 am
I was actually inside when I had that problem last summer. It was in the morning and I was in my apartment, not outside in the heat (though it had been very hot the past few days and that day too). My main problem was I had a final that day and feeling the way I felt I couldn't take it so I had to go to the doctor to get a doctor's note.
The reason you get sick "from" extreme temperature changes is not because it makes you sick itself (thanks very much I know it's viruses and bacteria), but it does weaken your immune system, thus making you more receptive for viruses and bacteria because your immune system may not do as good a job anymore fighting them off on its own, and that is when you get sick.
I do think it has to do with what you're used to, and just because you don't have it, doesn't mean others make it up. Some people have migraine, guess what, I have never had that problem, so does it not exist? By your logic it wouldn't. Heck they are probably just wimps having a headache.
silica
Aug 24 2007, 12:13 pm
QUOTE(Mariposa @ Aug 24 2007, 11:50 am)

I was actually inside when I had that problem last summer. It was in the morning and I was in my apartment, not outside in the heat (though it had been very hot the past few days and that day too). My main problem was I had a final that day and feeling the way I felt I couldn't take it so I had to go to the doctor to get a doctor's note.
Not directed at Mariposa, but a standard situation at the Uni during exams:
exam_day + insufficient_preparation = some kind of illness => doctor's note.
Illness range from migräne, darm_virus to kreislaufstörung. And most of the time the doctor's don't even do the check-up as soon as they are told that you need a note for exemption from appearing for the exam.
Mariposa
Aug 24 2007, 12:17 pm
For me it was like this: Exam day + Throwing up from drinking water and being all shaky = Not taking the exam.
I did take it a few days later though.
Cookie
Aug 24 2007, 12:22 pm
QUOTE(MoiLV @ Aug 24 2007, 10:04 am)

About 10 years ago Chicago's summer heat hit a record high and a lot of people died from overheating/exhaustian. In Australia, or Las Vegas, you jump in the pool if it's hot, or you go inside into the air conditioning, or turn on the fan. Some people just can't deal with it if it hits them quickly.
Ahh, the summer of '95. I remember it well. Just started working in the Loop where my office was about 15C and outside it was about 40C. Good times. But I feel obligated to tell the whole story. The vast majority of people who died were old, poor and did not open their windows (fear of crime, mostly). This is one of the few subjects where I will use Wiki (
*spit*) as a reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Heat_Wave_of_1995. So, no these people did not have access to swimming pools or even air conditioning. Additionally, many city departments were (rightfully) criticized for the poor (or lack of) response time. I believe many changes were implemented, including more people voluntarily checking in on older neighbors.
Back on topic: In Chicago there are wild weather and temperature changes. Additionally, there is lake effect cooling. This means that while people in the suburbs are wearing shorts and T-shirts, very often the people in the city are all wearing jackets. A very familiar caveat to the weather report is ". . . and cooler by the lake." Sometimes by as much as 5-8C. And to my knowledge, no one in Chicago has problems with Kreislaufstörung.

Edit: Just saw Mariposa's posts. Yes, I agree it's what you get used to. Let just say people don't move to Chicago for the weather!!
HellesAngel
Aug 24 2007, 12:25 pm
Problems with circulation are a symptom of a problem, they are not the problem itself, so trying to cure it is to miss the point.
Hutcho
Aug 24 2007, 1:43 pm
QUOTE(Mariposa @ Aug 24 2007, 12:50 pm)

I do think it has to do with what you're used to, and just because you don't have it, doesn't mean others make it up. Some people have migraine, guess what, I have never had that problem, so does it not exist? By your logic it wouldn't. Heck they are probably just wimps having a headache.
My point is not that I didn't have any symptoms in Australia. My point is that NO ONE has this in Australia. I have never heard of such a thing before I came here.
worm
Aug 24 2007, 2:16 pm
ditto for england. if you are feeling dizzy, you still go to work... feeling dizzy.
kathie
Aug 24 2007, 2:21 pm
I think people have it everywhere - they pass out from the heat, or from standing up too long when they haven't eaten anything that day, or whatever. The difference is that the majority of (non-german) people would say "woah, feeling dizzy, should eat something/ get some fresh air" or whatever. They wouldn't complain about it as if they were ill...
Richardtoddywoddy
Aug 25 2007, 4:09 pm
If I was feeling dizzy (not just got up out of bed, little black out, light headed, oh, vision is coming back "yes darling, I am fine, just that light headedness I get because of my low heart rate, combined with my height" dizzy but propper, holy shit, I feel like I have been smoking pot for the last 10 hours and now can't see straight dizzy dispite having not touched any) then I wouldn't go to work, I would go to a doctor to see if 1. My blood pressure was okay. 2. What my red blood cell count is.
sarabyrd
Apr 9 2008, 10:38 am
Even visiting Scots can fall victim to this phenomenon:
Janey Bradley at the Comedy Club on Monday suddenly called out for a "wee drink of water", stating that she felt all dizzy and faint. In this case, I blame it on the insufficient ventilation and the intense heat, even worse on stage.
P.S. My co-worker mentioned earlier on was diagnosed with a heart condition, hence her Kreislaufschwäche. Nothing she can't deal with, just very unpleasant.
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