serene
Jun 14 2007, 7:16 am
Hi,
I currently have an unlimited contract (permanent position) with a company in Stuttgart. However, on the Residence Permit it states a date that I'll be working with the company (which is a year on from the day I started)
Does this mean that I have to 'renew' or re-apply for the residence permit again?
Or are Ausländers not allowed permanent positions in a German company?
Thanks,
Serene
DDBug
Jun 14 2007, 7:25 am
QUOTE (serene @ Jun 14 2007, 8:16 am)

Does this mean that I have to 'renew' or re-apply for the residence permit again?
Yes
serene
Jun 14 2007, 7:31 am
So.. does this mean that I can just go to the Ausländeramt with my contract to renew the Aufenthlterlaubnis?
[Just a note: I come from a non-EU country and I can only apply for visas from the country of origin, I had applied for the residence visa from my origin country]
silty1
Jun 14 2007, 7:38 am
if you want to stay with the firm and avoid annual hassles with the behörde, why not ask your company to support you in an application for an unbefristete aufenthaltserlaubnis? (basically permanent residency status)
or marry a german, that's a shortcut
serene
Jun 14 2007, 7:43 am
QUOTE (silty1 @ Jun 14 2007, 2:38 pm)

or marry a german, that's a shortcut
Haa.. I can try that

a year might be enough to convince my boyfriend to do that
silty1
Jun 14 2007, 7:50 am
they also dangle official incentives before your eyes to encourage this getting hitched thing spousal income splitting the most notable.
DDBug
Jun 14 2007, 8:11 am
And there are lots of reasons (
such as this newest divorce thread) why it's not worth it to get married for an aufenthaltserlaubnis.
After a couple years of renewals you'll get a permanent one, most of us have gone that route and it's not that painful.
Jack
Jun 14 2007, 8:16 am
QUOTE (serene @ Jun 14 2007, 8:31 am)

[Just a note: I come from a non-EU country and I can only apply for visas from the country of origin, I had applied for the residence visa from my origin country]
How long is your residence visa valid?
serene
Jun 14 2007, 8:28 am
I have a residence visa for 3 months, but I will be heading to the Ausländerbehorde to extend this.
My main concern is that on the residence visa, it is printed that I'm working with the company till a certain date, when in fact, I am employed on an unlimited contract.
markbk
Jun 14 2007, 8:29 am
I was surprised when I got an unlimited one first go, although my wife can only stay for 2 years, my eldest daughter 2 years, my middle daughter 1 year, my son 4 years. So do you get pfand back when you send the family home?
dino_9876
Jun 14 2007, 8:32 am
Hello Serene,
normally if you have an unlimited contract, you get your visa extended every time. But the company will usually help you to get it.
Did you ask your HR department?
Don't worry lah.
Panama
Jun 14 2007, 8:36 am
A visa and a residence permit are two very different documents. You apply for a visa in your home country to gain the right to either come to Germany or stay longer than the period stablished for tourists (among some other more specific reasons like studying). It is always necessary (obligatory maybe?) to register yourself as a foreigner with the authorities once you arrive in the country even if your visa is for one year. Your visa will only grant you the ability to get a residence permit. Residence permits can always be obtained here given that you fulfill the requisites for that. The validity period of your residence permit varies depending on several circumstances, the most strong of them all, what the person who makes it at the KVR or corresponding foreigners office decides. Renewal of a residence permit is a relatively fast and simple process if your circumstances have not changed from the last time you got it. So if you keep working for the same company it will just take under an hour and a few euro (20 or 40, I can't remember the renewal fee now) to get your new permit.
I got my first permit for two years, later I had to get an extension for a few months and then my conditions changed I got another one for one year even though I have a contract for longer time than that. So you should not worry about it.
Elfenstar
Jun 14 2007, 9:33 am
QUOTE (DDBug @ Jun 14 2007, 9:11 am)

After a couple years of renewals you'll get a permanent one, most of us have gone that route and it's not that painful.
agreed. you should be happy you even got a work permit. they're not so easy to come by. i had to renew mine 2 or 3 times then got a permanent one, so no worries.
QUOTE (serene @ Jun 14 2007, 9:28 am)

My main concern is that on the residence visa, it is printed that I'm working with the company till a certain date, when in fact, I am employed on an unlimited contract.
are you sure about this? is your german up to par? just wondering if maybe you read this incorrectly. i still have problmes with "Amtdeutsch". it could be your residency permit is only valid until a certain period of time, which they write on your visa, but you can get it extended on the basis that you have a unlimited contract with a germany company.
Jack Regan
Jun 14 2007, 9:54 am
I am an EU national, but when I moved to Germany I still had to apply for a residency permit (basically work permit) this has now changed finally, (Germany lagging behind as usual).
When I applied for my first permit I already had a full time unbefristete Job so the Beamte "asked me" how long I wanted it for so I said as long as possible which was 5 years, after which I returned still had my job and got a permanent residency permit.
Conquistador
Jun 14 2007, 2:02 pm
If a German company hired you, a non-EU citizen for a permanent position, was this an intra-company transfer? Those fall under different regulations.
QUOTE (silty1 @ Jun 14 2007, 8:50 am)

they also dangle official incentives before your eyes to encourage this getting hitched thing spousal income splitting the most notable.
My (then future) wife dangled a pair of incentives before my eyes...
QUOTE (Jack Regan @ Jun 14 2007, 10:54 am)

I am an EU national, but when I moved to Germany I still had to apply for a residency permit (basically work permit) this has now changed finally, (Germany lagging behind as usual).
When I applied for my first permit I already had a full time unbefristete Job so the Beamte "asked me" how long I wanted it for so I said as long as possible which was 5 years, after which I returned still had my job and got a permanent residency permit.
Similar here. When I first arrived they said "how long" - me: 1 year - they: OK we give you 2 years
2 years later - they: we give you 5 years - thats maximum
4 years later I was in Berlin about to fly back to Hamburg with Pan Am (tell how long ago) & guy asked for my residents permit.
He looked at it and said "you get unlimited next time" & it was true...
-End story-
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