kitkat64
Jun 11 2007, 1:25 pm
My boyfriend is giving a presentation in English and needs the abbreviations for:
Without = I think this is "w/o" (ex. child seat w/o padded inlay)
With or without - this one I do not know... mayb "with or w/o"?
Help!
Thanks!
boomtown_rat
Jun 11 2007, 1:26 pm
I'm not convinced that there are any official abbreviations, although many use w/o as you mention
Elfenstar
Jun 11 2007, 1:27 pm
he shouldn't be using abbreviations.
gideon
Jun 11 2007, 1:28 pm
why abbreviate it if it leads to confussion?
dolfan
Jun 11 2007, 1:31 pm
w/ = with
w/o = without
I would only ever use these when writing notes to myself or informal correspondence. I would never use them in a presentation.
gooner_gal
Jun 11 2007, 1:31 pm
I always use w/ (with) and w/o (without)
Fallen Angel
Jun 11 2007, 1:32 pm
Perhaps it's:
w/- or w/o
Edit: I'm assuming he wanted to use both the with and the without together in one phrase.
kitkat64
Jun 11 2007, 1:35 pm
Why would you not use them in a presentation? If you have very limited space, of course you would use them. Why not?
dolfan
Jun 11 2007, 1:43 pm
Well first off its damn informal. Secondly, there is a thread on here, started by someone who doesn't know the abbreviations.
I would certainly not include some ambiguous abbreviation into a presentation. If you run out of room then just say that it is with or without whatever your describing.
gideon
Jun 11 2007, 1:50 pm
If space is so tight, either drop the point size or rewrite the english. Abbreviations that are confusing are hardley going to help people to understand a presentation.
with or w/-? only one character difference. But hey ho! Each to his own.
boomtown_rat
Jun 11 2007, 1:50 pm
QUOTE (kitkat64 @ Jun 11 2007, 2:35 pm)

Why would you not use them in a presentation? If you have very limited space, of course you would use them. Why not?
same reason you wouldn't use sms speak in a presentation I guess
If space is tight then your powerpoint slide or whatever it is is most probably far too full of text already. I would only use 'official' abbreviations such as etc. or e.g.
BadDoggie
Jun 11 2007, 2:00 pm
The only possibly acceptable abbreviation (according to my various style guides) is "with/without". As you can see from other comments, the abbreviations of each require the same slash which is used as an abbreviation for "or"; multiple use would make it too confusing. Dolfan's completely correct: any abbreviation of with/without is informal.
woof.
I wouldn't use w/ and w/o in a prepared presentation (e.g. Powerpoint) even separately, although I see nothing wrong with it if you're jotting things down while talking (provided your audience knows what they mean). However, I don't see how you could use them together since each one needs a slash as it is.
One possible solution might be to use plus and minus signs, e.g. "child seat +/- padded inlay".
bobD
Jun 11 2007, 2:12 pm
ppt slide is likely to be a bad one if there is a need to save the few characters you would save by using w/ or w/o.
around 6 high level concepts per side is all that should be used, with the presentation talking around the slides, not reading the slides.
that is all.
kitkat64
Jun 11 2007, 2:29 pm
OK, thanks for the help. I passed along the information. I'll let him decide.
I told him that he should spell them out but, if he finds it absolutely necessary to have abbreviations, he should use 'w/ or w/o"
Thanks!
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