Should President Bush be impeached over Iraq?

im curious to know if any Americans here would like Cowboy Bush impeached

i know i do but i aint American so i guess my opinion is not justified though i feel their ill-fated actions affect us all

If you impeach Bush, then you end up with President Cheney.

No thanks.

Though if you impeach Cheney as well, you get President Pelosi. Not too sure if I'm keen on that idea either, but then again, we have nowhere to go but up at this point.

Cheers,
Fairfax71

Impeach Bush? Definitely! It's the American thing to do.

Fuck Impeachment.. I say f'n kill'em all... Bush,Chenny,Rice.. The entire lot..

I have a better idea. Let's start ANOTHER topic on the subject. You know, just to make sure we have enough flying around. Actually, how about we start one topic a day about Bush and how his day went? Now that would not be a big fat waste of anybody's time now would it. I hear his shoes did not match his trousers yesterday. Need to start a topic on his fashion sense I reckon

Enough with these idiotic topics already. Just add your comments to one of the other hundred topics scattered around the place

I will also announce a daily award, the Cross of the Order of the Windmill Slayer (subject to change of form on grounds of receiver's personal beliefs), to the person who most boldly and bravely tries to stop this from occuring.

So this Welsh guy walks into a bar...

Dubya makes a guest appearance on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

Yes of course why just discuss the weather or the fictional finance markets...

Why would we want to discuss supposedly the world's most powerful leader perpetuating lies to the rest of the world and violently overtaking other nations for one governments selfish greed (doesn't sound nazi like at all). When this shit stops and the American people actually reign their government in (that goes for those in Australia and England as well) then perhaps the world may be just a little safer.

Bush and the entire administration who are party to this never ending buffet of lies should be subject to punishment decided by those upon which they have inflicted the pain and wrong doings...

Well before Iraq the decision makers in US administration were well informed of the fact that Iraq posed no threat but continued to lie to us to further their own agenda as they are doing right up to this very second.

The whole lot deserve a lot more than simple impeachment. I cannot support the death penalty but they deserve something just as dire without being lethal.

Ooooh dear... Pick a thread, any thread. Just do a search for "bush" and you will presented with a number of them. Oh, while you are at it, do a search for "US", "USA" or whatever and you will find a whole lot more... Any of them will do as they generally deteriorate into the same discussion started in this topic...

Forum guidelines suggest using the search function before starting yet another thread on the same old topic.

Now, let Perdido finish his joke about the Welsh guy. Sounds like it could be promising

http://www.toytowngermany.com/search/?q=impeach+bush

brings up only one to my knowledge...

It appears the OP is well within their rights and you need a chill pill...

Either that or a new country without a warmonger for a president.

Q: Should President Bush be impeached over Iraq?
A: Yes, of course, and Cheney with him. As a matter of upholding the law, preserving some shred of our constitution, and regardless of anyone's idea of 'strategy'. Even if we are stuck with Cheney.

The problem, actually, is what charge might actually stick. These guys are masters of plausible deniability. They have broken so many rules though, that there must be something that could stick, but I'm not a jurist and haven't yet heard a good case from one.

Impeach everyone.
Here comes the right candidate

Yes, without a doubt, along with Blair, Ried, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld for starters. They should be given the same treatment and fair trial that Saddam got, even though their act of genocide is far greater.

Murdering, lying bassas the lot of them, and they're still at it!

yes because in the rest of the world although there are places like Dafur and Congo where millions are being killed they can be easily forgotten if it doesn't fit your little agenda (doesn't sound nazi like at all).

Protest by all means but don't be hypocritical and only complain about things that fit your agenda - your contempt for the millions murdered in Africa is pretty disgusting really - comparable to Bush perhaps


your arguments would be better if they didn't try and devalue the importance of such words by using them as cheap and cliched arguments to try and score points - stick to the facts

@BR

The irony is if Dafur & Congo were as rich in oil as Iraq, we would have seen an American led "humanitarian effort" long before now.

One word, GREED !

well I'd say that the irony is, is that some people are so wound up and keen to protest about their little agenda whilst ignoring other things that are equally bad if not far worse because it doesnt suit them, that they end up being exactly like the poeple they are accusing of lying/using agendas etc

Not true. "Impeachment" is an act by the US House of Representatives, indicating that formal charges can be raised. It's still up to the Senate to do anything about it.

Bill Clinton was impeached, but the Senate declined his removal from office.

Like Israel and their ongoing terrorising of the surrounding Arab nations? When will Bush/Blair sort them out?

exactly, which still doesn't really get us away from the fact that you chuck around words like genocide to try and sound dramatic, when in fact all you are doing is de-valuing the strength of the word, with all the consequences that that can have for the poor folk being massacared in Africa. As mentioned, pretty disgusting really and no better than those you are accusing - you are no better than them

Yeah, I for one am sooo sick of reading everyday about those Israeli suicide bombers running into crowds and killing civilians...

Way to hijack the thread

The answer to the question posed: No… It would be too politically costly, and giving Bush enough rope to continue to hang himself is exactly what should/and will be done by the Democrats so we can get someone new in ’08.

fact is thefirelane ,if you had watched the Israeli army massacre your family, you would probably sign up quite easily todo the same.

Terror breeds Terror, Violence breeds Violence.

If the poor, threatened Isreaelis would toe the line we would have a lot less violence than present.

i like all the impeach bush bumper stickers, but really i don't think he deserves to be impeached. i never expected him to act any different. why should a warmongering lying president come as a shock to anyone? it's not as if the democrats are a bunch of truth telling pacifists either. i don't like his policies, but i don't think he stands out as being that much worse than his predecessors.

i'm all for the u.s. green party, but they're probably full of liars too. it's politics, what do you expect?

I have mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, I would love to give Dubya more rope. On the other hand, I think that at least starting impeachment proceedings would allow the Democrats not to appear as a bunch of wussies.

keep it up dj. just gnore the statements/questions that dont fit your agenda (sounds a bit like nazis or bush that)

Hey, I'm not going to say that the Israeli Army has always behaved ethically… but I will say: I think there are a lot of people, yourself included, who honestly don’t understand the difference between these two scenarios:

1) A military strike killing civilians that was targeting militants hiding among them

2) A suicide bomber specifically targeting a civilian population

One is terrorism, one is not.

I used to even be a supporter of the Palestinians, but after watching them consistently screw up, and waste chances, it becomes tough. I think the Israelis have an expression that “the Palestinians never miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity�. I agree.

If you don’t believe me, answer this: If there was a Palestinian equivalent of Ghandi standing up against the Israelis, how do you think their situation would be today?

However… perhaps a new thread is needed… we are off track… want to start one? We can call it “the dead horse thread� and it can be home to this, among many other debates.

I would like to know exactly what agenda that is... because from my point of view I don't actually have one.

and just quietly the topic was about America, hence the direction of the comments...

If you would like to get started on the African continent than by all means start a thread and we'll have a discussion about third world debt, about World Bank and International Monetary Fund loans with conditions equal to corporate blackmail attached.

At no point have I showed any contempt for those slaughtered everyday by corrupt regimes and corporations on the African continent. The fact that you draw these conclusions from my comments purely because they are not stated in a topic specific to America shows only assumption on your part regarding any so-called agenda of mine.

The Palestinians have definitely brought a lot of the problems on themselves.. just look at the in fighting that is going on over there now. Saying that, it doesn't excuse what Israel has done over the years including the "military strike killing civilians that was targeting militants hiding among them", which is in my opinion terrorism when it happens over and over again..

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think I agree with the man in the tinfoil hat..

So, I guess this thread should be renamed, as people really have no interest in discussing the potential impeachment of George Bush.

I think your use of the term genocide is at best unfortunate and at worst hugely harmful to those that are really exposed to genocide

well, its fairly clear (IMO) from previous threads and this quote that your agenda is criticsim of 'western' institutions, governments etc. Which is fine, but one would have thought that a decent discussion about Africa could also cover Arab agression against blacks in Sudan, for example, but that doesn't fit it with WB, IMF, Bush criticsm I suppose, so in my book your no better than those you are accusing of lying, convenient use of facts to pursue an agenda and so on

I agree with your points raised about the Palestinians wasting their political stance however their conflict is ongoing. The Israelis terrorise them on a daily basis and they get the same in return. On the other point however, it has been long proven that the military strike against Iraq and the subsequent occupation is illegal and based on the flimsiest of evidence and a bucket load of lies, we have raped a country and killed hundreds of thousands of their population (Latest estimates are well over 1million). We terrorise the Iraqi people on a daily basis, so it is indeed Terrorism. We have no right to be there.

I think that most would agree that trying to solve to many issues at the same time would result in complete failure...

I am not informed on the particular subject regarding Arab aggression in Sudan and therefore cannot participate in that side of the discussion.

I raise the points I raise purely because I believe they are of importance to future of our planet and it's survival...

At present Sudan and Africa do not have the power to destroy our planet in a nuclear war, however the US and it#s Allies do and therefore I feel it of greater importance for me personally to concentrate my efforts on what I perceive as the greater threat.

If people feel that it is normal for our leaders (whose responsibility it is to lead us safely and prosperously into the future) to lie to us for their own purposes which are not congruent with the improvement of our society and take us into conflicts without just cause...

If people feel that it should be expected that politicians lie and cheat and don't do what is generally accepted as best for our societies...

if that is the case we have a problem greater than just these lying and deceptive individuals, the problems lies within us as individuals and what we expect from our lives and our leaders.

So excuse me if i feel that our world is slowly heading towards some kind of biblical hellhole, I'd prefer not to have my children experience these horrors and injustices that our so called leaders are "leading" us towards.

Impeach Cheney first and then go after Bush second. The torture factor of doing it like that for Bush would be his just desserts. Of course with all that is revealed in the Cheney impeachment, Bush will most likely have to resign in disgrace which is better than impeachment in my mind.

Heaps of oil in Bosnia and South Korea?

Idiot.

I think you'll find that both of those "occupations" were indeed "humanitarian eoofrts" at a time when NATO, the UN and the US actually cared.

For once I find myself in total agreement with DJCrazy, the sooner they bomb all Arabs to paradise the world will be a better place.


If you feel so strongly about it why don’t you fly over there and make a peaceful protest. I’m sure some friendly local with give you a place to stay and a nice set of orange overalls to wear. I imagine they would even help you to make a video that you could send to Bush and Blair stating your objections.

Btw where you been Crazy, TT is so boring when you aint around

Thank you for resurrecting this idea. Yes of course he should.

His handling of the post 911 era has been so awful. He squandered a big opportunity to tackle the Islamist problm with his incompetent Global Village Idiot style. Instead of creating a new mess in Iraq he should have cleared up the situation in Afghanistan first.

Don't forget that Al qaeda was on a collision course with the West long before 911.

The irony is that Congo is as rich in natural resources as Iraq.

The only problem with Congo is that nobody has been able to find a one-word explanation that "proves" how it's all the fault of George Bush.

For anyone who might actually be interested in a serious, considered opinion on why Bush hasn't been impeached, Salon.com ran an article on the topic last week:


So, reasons of practicality. There are those (of all political persuasions) who would ring their hands over a impeachment proceedings against Bush and wonder whether every president is likely to be impeached in his second term from now on, since a Bush impeachment would make two in a row. The public might become disenchanted with the democratic process entirely and just decide not to go to the polls in 2008.

Then the article offers this interesting reason, an analysis of the American psyche:


My bold.

Thank you Cinzia. The Salon article reasoning is very plausible. It's also just possible that congress is shit, did nothing to stop him back when, and will definitely do nothing now that will call more attention to their ineptitude. Perhaps it's all of the above.

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From the NYT today:


One down, an entire cabinet to go...

But didn't Bushie say that, to reassure everyone about the separation between politics and the judiciary in America, he would pardon Libby if he was sentenced? Not that many think Bush has any moral standing left to lose, but if he were to pardon Libby it would be just another reason to...

So far, Bush's spokesperson is saying he won't get involved.


(Bush has already pardoned over 100 people)
NYT article
I'm hoping his abandonment by Cheney and Bush will prompt him to turn on them and start talking about who gave him orders to lie.

Don't bother trying to *cough* debate *cough* with conspiracists, irrespective of the topic of discussion. Debating with conspiracists is no different than debating with religious fundamentalists; despite their total lack of evidence and the overwhelming evidence to the contrary (plus the absurd things that they try to pass off as evidence!), they believe what they choose to believe.

I'm no health care professional by any means, but as a lay person with a hobbyist's interest in psychiatry it would seem that he suffers from a combination of Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder and paranoia. The latter seems to have a sprinkling of both mean world syndrome and maybe even schizophrenia (I'd be very interested to see what his posts would be like if he were being treated with Lorazipan). I've begged him to visit a psychiatrist. Oh well.

Exhibit A:



Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder. At least. For a smattering of evidence for paranoia and schizophrenia just read the rest of his posts in other threads.

Now here's the fun part! Watch what he posts next. He's going to come at me with at least a few phrases pulled out of the conspiracy theorist's bullshit-bingo jar (e.g. "straw-man," "so-called," "massive evidence," "open minded," "use your common sense," "disinfo," "shill," etc. He gets bonus points for using Latin, "non sequitur," "ad hominem," "post hoc, ergo propter hoc." Let's not forget my personal favorite, "do your own research"). There may also be links to a blog or a site like Prison Planet, Rense, or Above Top Secret (where paranoid schizophrenics virtually fellate each other's withered self esteems - check for yourself).

The world between his ears is a very different one than the one that you, I, etc. live in. Guys like him can be fun to toy with but I can't help but feel somewhat guilty by taking advantage of the ill for my own amusement (It's not like he chose to be this way).

Anyway, if anybody wants to respond to me it's best to e-mail me directly; I'm about to head off for vacation and will be out of pocket for a while. You can use the link on my profile.

Seems that you have an obsessive disorder towards me DW! give it up will ya? I'm not in any way inclined that way and to be honest there's no room for anyone in your ass as your head has been stuck firmly up it for the last year. One word... DENIAL !

Feel free to post your phd certificate in phsycology or the other DR. title you obviously hold in order to make these diagnostics by the posts I've read. You could make a fortune, are the authorities aware of your "powers"?

Personally I feel you're too engrossed in everyone elses lives because you can't handle your own, or the very thought that Bush could be a baddy sends a shiver up your spine. You are a knob, a fuckwitt and a waste of space with an IQ less than your combined shoe size.

You are a true example of the modern america male fuckwitt, they really have dumbed you guys down huh? thank god there are a few that can see further than the Wendys at the end of the street.

It is you, not I who should seek professional help.