Madeleine McCann jokes

I think everyone has the right to voice their opinions of this thread, and if you don´t like something, you can definitely still read it and comment on it!

I forgot to say in my previous post that most kids are abused by family members so it never gets out. In this case it just so happens that the child was most likely abducted by a stranger, which makes it sensational. I hate to say it, but odds are she was raped and killed. Or killed and raped.

@Ruthie... I think you digressed a fair bit with your post... this thread is not about denial of child abuse... it is not about using humour to cover up the horror and cope with it... it is purely about inappropriate jokes, nothing more. Some of us obviously think it is pathetic to find humour in something so tragic. Basically it boils down to this... where humour is concerned, is nothing out of bounds?

Yes, because raping a three-year-olds is so common and easy to do. Under-12 rape only accounts for about 12% of rape claims (not convictions which is lower), and under-9 is extremely rare, for the same reason it's extremely difficult to park a Cadillac in a closet.

Who's odds/statistics are you quoting? Any particular government agency's, some NGO, or do they come from some professor of makeshitupology?

woof.

I was trying to explain why people might tell these jokes, and why it may not be all bad...so I think that wasn´t too much of a digression...though you are right, I am assuming that Madeleine has been raped or otherwise abused, which may not be the case.

Maybe Madeleine was bought by the rich parents from a poor Ukrainian woman who needed the money to pay for her mother´s heart transplant, and now she has kidnapped her child so it can grow up back home in the Ukraine with her real family...so then the thread wouldn´t be about sexual abuse.

On saying that, the whole religious element of this case is making a mockery of things. I can fully understand some of the comments directed at the parents, having the Pope bless the girl's photo etc. As for child abuse at the hands of a family member... equally as disturbing as this case. But everyone to their own style of humour... I shall gracefully bow out of this thread.

THE RAPE CLAIMS ARE SO RARE BECAUSE THESE KIDS CANNOT SPEAK; OR THEY CANNOT DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM; OR THEY ARE SO TRAUMATIZED THAT THEY LATER CAN´T REMEMBER IT:

YES; PARKING A CADILLAC IN A CLOSET IS POSSIBLE IT IS JUST VERY PAINFUL -- BADDOGGIE DO NOT GET ME STARTED:

Molestation is also not just limited to penile penetration of the vagina -- did that ever occur to you?

This is getting out of hand...

This is a Thread about Madeleine McCann jokes...

Take your rape and pillage shite to another thread!

people deal with situations differently, just because they can in this horrible situation make a joke doesnot make the pathetic or immature, they are just different from you and your views. Are they right? Are they wrong? Who knows? I am not placed on this earth to judge others for their actions and then critize them for them. I sometimes have a warped sense of humour, I would hope I can make my joke, or statement without being called pathetic or immature.
I did giggle at a few of the jokes, I never made any myself, but I find it disgraceful that others seem to have the need to say they are of higher moral standing because they see the situation differently.

According to the United States Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice Delinquency Prevention Juvenile Justice Bulletin, June 2000

Yeah it is, but it does happen. I personally still hope that this little girl is alive and unharmed, although I realize the longer it has been the less likely will she turn up again unharmed.
There was a case where a guy, a lawyer actually, abused a baby (or maybe more than one, I am not sure). Not a three year old, but he raped a 4 month old!
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=29677
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index...Ohbutyouwillpet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dallas_Lockhart

Isnt that some sort of copy right violation, Ruthie...

And Nobody ever listens to State Gov figures!...

I was going to make up a joke to lighten the mood but I couldn´t think of one. I can´t even remember ones I´ve been told. Memory like a sieve :-)

maybe they are driving a Fiat?

I mustn’t forget to polish my car today.
I once saw some porno pictures, if you can call them that, of a guy poking a chicken.
This has to be the most serious joke site ever.

Nothing should be beyond the bounds for humour, placing bounds on humour (which is often one of the key ways in which serious issues are dredged up for discussion) is just another way of placing any discussion about these issues under the carpet. Child abuse is abhorrent, no-one is claiming otherwise. The rate of child abuse should have no effect on the "bounds of humour" however (I personally belief it is probably a very under reported crime, I also found some of these jokes funny). Arguing that instances of the rape of young children are rare, and that makes it acceptable to make these jokes is missing the point, if anything the more common something is, the more it should be "featured" in all channels of public discourse(including humour).

I question the intelligence of someone who makes jokes about rape and sexual abuse and especially that of a child.

I don't see that intelligence comes into it. Some of the most well documented killers and psychopaths in history have been highly intelligent individuals.

These are some hackneyed and ill thought out arguments. First of all, it is not "publicity". That is a word which nowadays carries certain negative overtones. They have not seeked "maximum publicity" for their own sakes, in order to feed some modern day media-hunger. They are controlled by a desperate desire to do right by their still missing daughter. They have been advised how to keep their trauma in the public eye for as long as possible for HER benefit. If they choose to use certain unsavoury aspects of the British tabloids nature to better their daughter's chances of being found, I can understand them.

No one has compared this case to AIDS or rising sea levels. If you mean that it has dominated the front pages of UK papers to the detriment of other issues, I think there are several reasons for that. The story obviously contains issues that resonate with a huge number of people - its human interest. Its another debate, but the printed press has a fight on its hands to keep its readers, and its only natural they should give exposure to a story that has captured the publics attention.

By the way, I began typing a list of other similar stories which have captured the publics attention to the same extent without the added ingredient of "good looks". Since most of them ended unhappily, I found it bad taste to stick their names up here as evidence you don't have to be good looking to have your death become a major human-interest story. I can pm you a list if you wish.

I do feel for you that this "sickening barrage of publicity" has got to you in this way, but how on earth did you manage to find solace in the tasteless and unfunny jokes appearing here? Surely you could have found another way to sooth your abused soul.

Finally, how the hell is "Bad Doggy" or whatever is ridiculous name is not banned from this site? I see no benefit in retaining his filthy contributions for the rest of us . . . His sad Pope/Madeliene joke ought to be enough to get him banned. Like all the rest, it just ISN'T funny - on any level.

It just got funnier.

Yep; the more the easily-offended wail about how it isn't funny, the more entertaining this subject becomes.

So someone who objects to sexually explicit and deliberately offensive jokes about a four year old girl is "easily offended"? You've got a sorry idea of what constitutes entertainment.

No, but someone who sees a thread and knows that it's about sick jokes but nevertheless gets his panties in a twist as he reads them anyway, then complains about them... that's comedy gold.

woof.

Real life is certainly entertaining, not all good entertainment though is it?
If you don't like to hear jokes about child abuse then avoid them, but I agree with Ruthie - we shouldn't just hide from it. The fact is, grown men do rape/abuse/murder little children - it's sick, disgusting and unbearable but it happens.
And yes, I think there is something extremely and horribly funny in the fact that people get upset over these jokes while at the same time other sick fucks can happily and cheerfully select victims and torture innocent people (of all ages). You really do make these jokes even funnier by protesting them... it's so ridiculous!

So no, I couldn't give a shit if anyone is a huff because you don't understand the difference between regular people sharing dark humour over a tragic event and people not caring about what might actually happen/have happened to a little girl.
My friend who's mother died makes a lot of dead-mother jokes, it's his way of dealing with a painful loss. And who cares? Should we be told what we're allowed to laugh about? Are we all supposed to be automatically miserable and awkward over every bad thing that happens? And for how long? Doesn't comedy lead us to some of our most painful truths?

If you don't get it, that's fine.. I just don't see why you expect everyone in the world to understand everyone elses jokes. To come along to a clearly marked thread and reprimand people for what they say in a JOKE context is mad, the whole point is that the situation is sick and that, being a joke, you shouldn't take it literally. Duh. We're not at your dinner table, we are not your guests - I think you need to walk outside, take a deep breath, read the title again... and then decide if you want to come back in.
There's children being abused regularly but you know, I wouldn't want an internet joke in cyberspace to hurt your precious sensibilities.

I hesitate to reply to you as you're clearly a mental, but just because something that is offensive to many people is clearly labelled as such doesn't make it acceptable. Yes this is a public forum, but the very fact that it is public should mean that the moderators do actually have a responsibilty to maintain some kind of standard.

I think many of the sad cases - you're a prime example - who've chosen to share their witticisms with us have done so precisely because its a public forum. I suspect they get some kind of macho thrill with showing the world how daring and post-ironic they are. That's not a good enough reason to justify leaving crass comments in a public domain.

You know Jesus loved the little children too.

Komland, who are you to decide what is and isn't acceptable, or who should be allowed on the forum and who shouldn't? You haven't even been a member for 24 hours and yet you have the nerve to tell the owner of this website what should or should not be published? That's almost as cheeky as Schotte, who posted nothing but wind-up rubbish for years and then came back to reprimand someone else for doing exactly the same.

Oh, but Komland is really a regular TT poster, who just doesn't have the guts to use his real username to post his opinion, you must know.

And out of interest, did anyone else get a PM from him?

I've never put myself forward as someone who can decide these things.

I've given my opinion on what is acceptable, which I'm perfectly entitled to, and I asked why Duffdog is still here after some of his posts. None of those are decisions.

Incidentally- what period of time, in your opinion, needs to pass before I am allowed an opinion on this subject? It doesn't take "nerve" to point out to the starter of this thread that this is scraping the barrel. Again, its just an opinion - deal with it.

This tragedy would never have happened if it weren't for those sick, godless communists over at TT. Shame on you people, the youth of today, wot?

Saddle up your horses, head for the moral highground, this is a witchhunt for peoples sense of humour, moral rubbernecking at its' best, some holier-than-thou fingerpointing for good measure, and some us-and-them division and shame-shifting. A heady mix for a frenzy. Know what's a REAL sick joke? Those parents going to the Pope. The head of an organisation that protects paedophile priests. That's some real funny shit right there. Ironic, if you will.

I'm not ashamed to say that I love a sick joke, black humour and all its trappings. And I don't think it negates my ability to empathise one iota. Black humour is all about breaking taboos.
Here's a sick joke I heard in September 2001, in Rosario, Mexico. It was told to me by a New York fireman on leave with a bunch of colleagues:

"Why didn't Superman save the Twin Towers?"

I don't know.

"Cuz he's in a wheelchair".

The same fireman got up and sang a teary New York, New York in karaoke that night. So I guess that lad'll be holding my hand on the way down to Hell. But I'm guessing if he was on a holiday payed for by the city of New York, he's already been there. Dark humour and karaoke as therapy if you will.

As for the site going down the tubes? When EB allows its content to be dictated and pasteurised by moral arbiters who can't take a joke or chastise other people for their sense of humour, then the charm and vibrance of the sites diversity becomes dangerously dull and homogenic and we edge closer to silly censorship and letting the teadrinkers take over the pub. But people are allowed differences of opinions and it's part and parcel of the sites make-up. If you don't see that, then I'm not sure which part of the site you haven't been reading.

And read the threads title (again). You wouldn't walk past a strangers house, hear them playing ABBA, gatecrash the party and tell them to change the music now would you. Also, nowhere in this thread is kidnapping, raping, molesting or otherwise being downright evil to children, condoned, encouraged or deemed in any way acceptable. If you took the blinkers off your high horse you'd see that. You don't like sick jokes? Grand, we won't be going to each others tupperware parties then. You can object to them, but you're not going to impose your idea of a moral code on me or anyone else.

And granddad, I told you the site was a bit racy. Ah, the thread title rule...remember when I told you not to stick your hand into the jar labelled "BIG JAR OF LIVE CRABS"? This is similar.

I gave up on this thread a while ago. However, I appreciate that Ed Bob started a new thread for these jokes, thus keeping the original thread clear of them. As BadDoggie pointed out quite early on: The title says it all. It gives anyone who has off-color jokes or other items to share a forum without hitting the original thread dealing with the disappearance and its developments only. If you consider such items inappropriate do not read them.
How do you think staff in the ER deal with the pain, suffering and tragedy they face every day? Believe me - doctors' humor is the blackest. Some things are so bad that you have to dissociate yourselves by laughing at them when they get too close.

Sara - the gallows humour is their unique world, amd not everyone would understand the stresses and pains they face daily.

We had our own brand of gallows humour in the Gulf which helped us deal with many painful things we experienced very frequently. But the problem is that the humnour simply does not translate and perhaps nor should it.

I don't mind black humour. I even join in with black humour. But this transcends all black humour. It's just not humour but a sick and cheap dig for attention.

I find this thread completely inappropriate for TT. It has disappointed me greatly. (and I only read the first page and the last page).

Ah, you need to read the bits in the middle Renia. That's where the madness takes hold. Grab a coffee and a biccie and wade right in there. Accusations, duplicate user IDs and much more besides. Surprised it hasn't generated a full on flounce yet, but there's still time.

Early morning question.
Why is Komland so preoccupied with three-year old girls?
Is there something we ought to be told about?

Ruthie started ok and then descended into to shit sadly.

Totally inappropriate post alert*. Connection? The Spartans were mad and tossed every second child they could off the nearest cliff. Mad they were. As mad as the hum offa Oktoberfest-Krug of internet "holier than your last post" froth. Pictured, some mad Spartan child killers having fun driving around after a hearty days killing children. Before breakfast no less.



As Tarantino would so succinctly say "Get a fucking grip", wipe the froth off the screen and realize that it's just the internet and that sick-joke posters are not bad folk per se, just on a different page humourwise and unfortunately don't fit into your personal Venn diagram of how the universe should be. Process and move on. You'll be back soon bashing newbies before ye've forgotten Madeleines name and she's become the poster child for not taking that holiday in the Algarve. Yes it's bad what happened. But so was 11.09.01, Michael Jacksons trial, Princess Dianas death, some bloke shooting some bloke in Sarajevo, Marathon changing its name to Snickers, the introduction of the Euro, elbow skin turning into chicken neck etc..

Relax the hat..also...wow, a cool German word.So, in summation. As Voltaire allegedly aphorised:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[sub]*post not directed at any one TTer.[/sub]

Sounds entertaining... , but I will take my coffee and biccie to another thread where I am sure I will find the same . Have fun without me!

bluedave would you kindly explain to me what shit it is that I sadly descended into?

Exactly. You felt your gallows humor was justified in your situation. I choked with anger about some posts here a while ago because I disapproved of the questionable humor but can tell OJ-jokes along with the best of them. Everyone has their buttons.

Just a final thought - if news broke today that Madeleine's body had been found and evidence of physical abuse was discovered, would people still be making these jokes? I doubt it.

And yet we all know that there is such a high chance that unfortunately this story will end tragically. I think what others and myself have objected to here is that people should have shown constraint, knowing the likely outcome of this story.

I abhor the view that many have taken that so long as an appalling lapse in judgement is appropriately flagged it is some how acceptable to leave it on a public forum. When the admin. of this forum himself instigates such a disgrace, it reflects extremely poorly on this site. I can think of many examples of things I could post which would obviously remain unacceptable however clearly I flagged the thread.

I find it hard to believe that a senior member of this forum seriously argued here that such an occurance is good for Toytown as it increases the number of views, and thus makes it more attractive to sponsors. Incredible . . .

I only wished to object, because I was shocked how many sheep bleated their enthusiasm for the thread. Somehow its harder for me to understand why a woman, eg: Mariposa, would be so enthused and amused at a limerick about a four year old girl being raped by a paedophile. I would have thought that a female - even a female sheep - might have had a greater chance of empathising with another female. Sadly not.

Sorry to disappoint you Keydeck. No rants from me. And no amount of patronising put downs from you is going to change that.

Well said!

You still going on about this? You've made your point, now move along.

I think the problem here is not that the subject is taboo...none should be...but that the humour is rubbish and crude...if it was something like Chris Morris' "Brasseye' special on paedophilia, a show that I think was a piece of genius satire but that gathered a record amount of complaints to the regulators, then I would definitely argue for humour being applicable in ANY sitaution...

Knock knock.
Who's there?
Not Maddie.

woof.

Brasseye. You're getting warm there. This is more the direction the debate should be going in. The ridiculous emotional investment that some people have made in this circus is symptomatic of the times we live in and Morris satirised it to near perfection. You wouldn't see this reaction about Darfur or Michael Jackson jokes, for example.

What's Michael Jacksons favourite song?
I'm forever blowing bubbles.

Paedogeddon.

Nice how you always manage to put some kind of insult in your posts mentioning me or PMs to me. You obviously have something against me besides my post here, and you used the post to get back at me. And you wonder why you did not get a response... seriously you should know that that is not the way to go when you are the one who wants something. If you had asked nicely, maybe you would have gotten a reply, but not by insulting me first, then asking. But of course this was just too welcome a chance to insult someone you already didn't like, so why not take it, right?

Empathy has nothing to do with these jokes. Just because I laughed at one or two, does not mean I cannot empathize. Infact, the little girl has nothing to do with the jokes either. Her name is used, but it could be replaced by any other (of course it has to rhyme in the limerick but that's it).

Do I find rape or murder funny? No I don't. I would also not find the joke funny if she had actually been raped and killed. But she has not, as far as we know, and until we do know, I will believe she has not (just for her sake, and because I will always hope for the best as long as it's possible). Until then, this joke is fiction to me.

I was also not "so enthused and amused", I posted this comment a few days before, and had not thought about it much since; you are the one who made it such a big deal. I found it funny, but not that funny (yes I did find it funny but not for the content itself), there are lots better jokes. It made me laugh for a short while but not like I was still laughing 2 days later. And before you ask why I said I "loved" it, I love a lot of things, heck I love nice smelling shampoo, I love post-its. Doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The reason why I did find it funny is kinda boring really. And since I do not want this question to keep boggling your poor mind, here you go:
I like limericks in general, they are funny. I like the rhyme scheme. The rhythm, it's funny. I found it funny how they managed to find words to rhyme, especially the word baddy, it is such a "cute" word which does not fit at all, calling a rapist or murderer baddy really makes it sound way too "nice". And it made me giggle.
I don't know if you understand the reason or not, and it really doesn't matter because it is the reason whether you understand it or not, but hey, maybe... I know it will be hard because you (Komland) have such a dislike for me, and it makes you not want to understand the person you don't like, so I don't have too much hope for you, but maybe someone else might try to understand.

There it is, kinda boring and geeky really.

You just proved you have zero grasp of how these kinds of dark humour situations or crude/sick jokes actually function in real life. No wonder you're in such a tizzy - you really can't tell the difference between the passing of bad jokes to identifying someones moral opinions on something.

Would people still be making the jokes?? What cave are you from? Of course they fucking will.

Do these jokes reflect an acceptance of child abuse? Do they show that some people actually think child abuse/kidnapping/tragedy is funny? Can people really be so complex as to laugh at the wording of a joke yet still despise it's subject??
Come on now, I shouldn't have to answer these for you. Can you seriously be that out of touch?

Oh and congratulations. Analysing any kinds of jokes often renders them immediately unfunny - but you have managed to pick apart some pretty simple language jokes and actually enhance their quality. Well done!

I can't believe that there are still people on here trying to defend the fact that they find the content of these "jokes" funny somehow! You may be able to change the name etc. but the fact is that the subject of these jokes (rape etc.) is just not funny. Where is the humour (noun: the quality of being amusing or comic) content, dark or otherwise? I'm not amused, it's not comical - not to me anyway.