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FC Bayern arbitrarily cancels fans' season tickets

Collective punishment after violent incident

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sarabyrd
According to an article in the Süddeutsche Zeitung, FC Bayern has reacted harshly to the serious incident involving members of their (non-official) fan club Schickeria and FC Nürnberg fans in a gas station on the Autobahn close to Würzburg on 5 May. The main perpetrators have been identified and questioned by the police. One woman was severely injured by a bottle thrown by a member of the Schickeria, she will probably lose the sight in her left eye or the eye itself. Being a bus driver, this injury will cost her her livelihood. FC Bayern and most of the fans are shocked and appalled and have said so at length in various media.

This week, every owner of an season ticket (which are extremely sought after and difficult to procure) who signed up on a list sponsored by the Schickeria two years ago has received a notice of cancellation valid 30 June 2007. Various application lists had been passed around during the last game in the Olympiastadion, several hundred fans registered on multiple lists. Bayern’s official fan ombudsman Andi Brück had assured them that as all the lists would be combined it did not matter which fan club’s list the applicants signed.

On first sight it looks as if FC Bayern had made a mistake in simply canceling all of the tickets whose owners were on the Schickeria list. However, FC Bayern was under pressure to cancel the tickets belonging to members of the Schickeria by the official deadline 30 June and, assumingly, did not take the time and effort to compare the list of ticket holders with the list of Schickeria members. So hundreds of innocent fans are being punished for the violent actions of a few hooligans just because FC Bayern couldn’t be bothered to revoke only the tickets held by Schickeria members – all of whom, by the way, have been banned from any FC Bayern games anyway.

Justitia, cover your head in shame. FC Bayern bosses, get real. Ticket holders, protest and take this to court.
Owain Glyndwr
serves 'em right for being a) being soccer fans and b) supporting FC Bayern in the first place.
MonksTown
A JOINT group of 60/Bayern fans have been protesting about this sort of action by the clubs a long time.

Football fans are criminalised and "schikaniert", they are used as a test group for further erosions of everyones' civil liberties.
eurovol
Civil liberties? Being a soccer fan has nothing to do with civil liberties. Soccer culture and their fans have fostered the atmosphere where this shit happens almost daily somewhere in the world.
BadDoggie
Ah, civil liberties. The right to free speech, the right to shelter, the right to pay hundreds each year to a large corporation in order to watch their primadonnas run around on a field and kick a ball around with some other giant corporation's primadonnas. Yes, it's short ride to a all-out return to fascism.

woof.
MonksTown
QUOTE (eurovol @ May 18 2007, 9:47 am) *
Civil liberties? Being a soccer fan has nothing to do with civil liberties.

I aint a big fan of soccer or that culture really, but the fans are criminlised and schickniert by an unholy alliance of the state and the commerical clubs.
sarabyrd
What pisses me off is the fact that any season ticket holder on the Schickeria list got ousted, regardless if they are a member of the fan club or not. Even Schickeria members not associated with the incident should not be banned. Lack of common sense in the Säbener Strasse.
Keydeck
Good. Make an example of the fucking lot of them. Sure there are innocent people who have lost their tickets as a result. Hopefully they'll be able to get new tickets when the dust settles. But as an example, I'm behind the move. I know, only a small proportion of the football crowd are troublemakers and all that, but tough shit. I go back to the example I always use, regardless of club ties or national pride, this kind of thing never, ever happens in rugby. The football world needs some serious changes and this is perhaps one small move in the right direction.

QUOTE (sarabyrd @ May 18 2007, 9:36 am) *
On first sight it looks as if FC Bayern had made a mistake in simply canceling all of the tickets whose owners were on the Schickeria list.

True or not I'd prefer to think that on first sight it looks as if FC Bayern had the balls to say fuck the lot of yez.

I've love to see a similar attitude taken onto the pitch. One player blatently fouls another, argues with the referee, whatever, send the whole fucking team off. The sooner these little shits, on and off the field, learn some manners and how to behave like human beings rather than rancid fucking animals, the better it'll be for the whole sport.
Pirulero
Schocking...seeing as it's Bayern Munich we're talking about they should expect to be challenged or sued pretty heavily as all the 'weekend warrior' lawyer/doctor/rich c*nts fight back...
MonksTown
It is VERY likely to be in the Ts&Cs of the contract of the season ticket that FC Bayern can cancel them.
Legally not a leg to stand on i guess.
garlof
Maybe it's in the T&C's but what about data protection - I think this is knee jerk reaction on the part of FCBayern.

Can someone clarify what this ominous "list" was?
sarabyrd
Just a sign-up list offered as a service by Schickeria and various other fan clubs. Saves the applicants the bother of writing a letter to FC Bayern or registering online.
garlof
Thanks Sarabyrd - I also took a look @ the SZ and.."beim letzten Spiel der Bayern im Olympiastadion trug der Schüler sich in eine Liste für Dauerkarten in der neuen Arena ein, die von der Schickeria in Umlauf gegeben wurde"

So people that registered for a Season Ticket using a list distributed by the "Schickeria" have had their Season Tickets cancelled - that is v.dodgy.

And what Monkstown say's is true "Football fans are criminalised and "schikaniert", they are used as a test group for further erosions of everyones' civil liberties."

It's the same in the UK your treated as a criminal because you go to a football game.
Inflatablewoman
It unfourtunate that regular law abiding football fans have been effected but, the club needs to take action and it needs to take tough action. This is the only way that you can make it clear that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated. If you allow it to fester you get the kind of trouble you get in Italy now and in England in the 70s-80s.
Hutcho
QUOTE (Keydeck @ May 18 2007, 9:59 am) *
I go back to the example I always use, regardless of club ties or national pride, this kind of thing never, ever happens in rugby.

It is strange that in the hard mans game of rugby, the fans are generally well behaved, but in the game for pussies that is football the fans are violent as hell..
Pirulero
the old saying...

Rugby is an animals game played by gentlemen, and football is a gentlemens game played by animals...

(or something to that effect...)
sarabyrd
Rugby is played by real men, soccer/football by the gender-unsure and cricket by poofs (gospel according to Scogs).
Inflatablewoman
QUOTE (Hutcho @ May 18 2007, 12:13 pm) *
football the fans

In the UK at least, football is seen as the working class mans' game, and those ignorant apes just can't behave. They cant resist a barny.
gideon
So if you like rugby and cricket you're bisexual.
3 Lions
QUOTE (Keydeck @ May 18 2007, 9:59 am) *
Good. Make an example of the fucking lot of them.

I completely agree. There will always be a minority of fucknuts who go and ruin it for everyone. The simple response is to punish the majority, all too often we(the fans) will turn a blind eye to people vandalising terraces, abusing players, throwing missiles and generally being arseholes. If I have to make a choice of forfeiting my season ticket or pointing out someone who is being a twat, I know what I'd do.
Crawlie
OK people. The Schikeria "Fan Club" is one that is known and disliked by the true fans. This has been known for quite a while and I have been speaking to lifelong fans of Bayern Munich. Loads of lists were being passed around and, at the end of the day, they did not have to sign that particular one. If they are stupid enough to sign the first thing being thrust into their hands without giving it a moment's thought then it is their problem, not Bayern Munich's.

I say fair play to Bayern Munich for this course of action. It was a tough decision to make and many would have just opted not to take it and the problems would have continued.
eurovol
QUOTE (3 Lions @ May 18 2007, 1:53 pm) *
If I have to make a choice of forfeiting my season ticket or pointing out someone who is being a twat, I know what I'd do.

I don't need season tickets to do that. Hell, I revel in that. Every time I do it, I think to myself; "GOAL!" biggrin.gif
boomtown_rat
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ May 18 2007, 9:36 am) *
So hundreds of innocent fans are being punished for the violent actions of a few hooligans

join the club - English fans have endured that for 20-30 years now
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