Jailed German paedophile has himself castrated

A repeat sex offender has himself castrated in the hope he has his sentence reduced.

German paedophile undergoes castration

Perhaps this should be punishment for sex offenders in general as prison doesn't seem to be a deterrent for a lot of them!

They can still molest and harass others with their hands etc so I think child molesters should be put to death.

I wonder what his true motives were? did he purely undergo the castration just to get his sentence reduced, or rather to reduce his impulses against offending against kids.

some web info on castration for sex offenders.

In my opinion forcing castration isn't ethical regardless of the circumstances but I would support offering reduced sentences as an incentive to do so. Or I guess conversely giving longer sentences to those who choose not to. Although I'm probably more comfortable with the former.

If (and I believe it is but can't be arsed to do the research) castration does have a negative effect on these sexual impulses, then it probably doesn't matter what his motivation is. An end justifies the means type situation.

Dont Women also molest Children?

Why are Paedophiles always considered to be men?

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I thought chemical castration was the preferred method nowadays?

I can't be arsed either ER, but I think I have heard that it actually does not have an effect, and that they still violate.

I'd have to see more studies to be totally convinced of the effectiveness of this, but the linked article said this:

Another article said the same thing:

What if they also voluntarily get their hands cut off as well?

Well Kat, In fairness i have no idea how the guys making those studies worked, but from the phrasing they use to describe their findings it sure smells fishy, as there is absolutely no reference to a comparison group that did not undergo castration. I find it pretty safe to say that someone who is willing to undergo castration is probably at a point where he doesnt *want* to repeat under any circumstance. That kind of study is definetly not up to any scientific scrutiny, as there is no double blind / comparison / control group, apart from the low sample size.

I for one refuse to form opinions based on that kind of data. At the absolute maximum it is a vague indication.

Yeah, of course it would make people more comfortable if one we could say that if they voluntarily have their hands and dick cut off we'll lower the punishment from capital punishment to let say 15, 20 years? Just as an incentive to do the right thing of course.

Those are both just references. There are plenty of references out there to the studies, but I couldn't find the data of the studies themselves posted. One science journal I found looked like it had the full study report, but you need a subscription to read it all. Possibly we'll have to wait for one of our TT scientists to check the journals for us.

according to the study quoted above, women offenders had their ovaries removed with the same results.

This just shows the gaping and unassailable divide between us, who we like to think of ourselves as civilised, and the bloodthirsty eye-for-an-eye old testament worshipping barbarians who believe they should have the right to kill and maim in the name of the law.
While the Dutroux affair in Belgium received attention worldwide the Outreau trial in France was quickly forgotten about outside of France.
This miscarriage of justice left one man dead and dozens of lives ruined. It is unfortunately often difficult to prove sex offenders guilty beyond reasonable doubt, especially as trials can take place years later. Frequently testimonies are the only real evidence. As the above case sadly shows once again mistakes will be made. Financial compensation offered to people who have spent time in gaol wrongly is ridiculously low in Europe but what would you offer a man you had erroneously castrated? Or murdered?

Don't be so melodramatic LeChamois. The castrations were all voluntary, as far as I know, and it seems to be a fairly effective treatment, not a punishment.

I was referring to the comments posted here. Are you suggesting that they should be put to death voluntarily?
But of course you are right, for the moment at least civilisation prevails.

I do agree that the death penalty is just wrong. I'd like to see more about the castration studies though.

anyway, he already did a crime, so why should his sentence be shortened because he is castrated? Isn't the "goal" of punishment to get to that place anyway. I doubt the victim wants him out any sooner.

That to me is the same as murderers wanting out of their punishments early too, as they have found Jesus.

I think we should let the victims cut the perpetrators´ testicles off themselves...that would be real closure.

Unfortunately it has been proven that these maniacs that sexually assault young babies and children are totally incurable – lock them up and through away the key or at least until they find a cure.

Or remove the offenders ovaries

Sure! Let me amend my statement -- victims should be allowed to remove the hormone-producing parts of the offender. But, Timmeh, my friend, although women have been known to be sexual assaulters, you canNOT argue that the majoity are not male.

Or really barbaric, I should hope most of us are more evolved than that.

Eleanor, I am flabbergasted that you don´t agree with me. I have never been more serious in my life.

Each of them should have a beer with LiaB and her friend, Leon80.

Yeah, coz I wasn't taking the piss at all Oh no, I was deadly serious...

Yeah well, so was i, really!

What made you think i didnt get you? I was just giving it some more spin.