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gemini
well Ulysses it might help you to actually then read my statements as I clearly support the idea of simply wanting a F**k buddy and had no issue with the posting.

Oh but wait I am a woman...so can't possibly really believe that

@Jack...exactly
MajorBummer
@Kat
@MB

I never called you a feminist bitch. Please reread that post. And you sure as hell used the word "misogynist".
Ulysses, I think we are talking at cross purposes. I wrote:

Human dignity is the key here, I think we humans are losing it. You can have sex and enjoy life, but why speak about the opposite sex, whether male or female, as if they are nothing but pieces of meat?
I have nothing against people just sleeping with one another, no strings attached. What I do have a problem with is people speaking about the opposite sex in a discriminatory manner, whether male or female, portraying them as pieces of flesh and nothing more. You see a lot of this in advertising. This does have an effect on the psyche of people. I have experienced it myself and have heared it with my own ears.

I used the word misogynist for sure, but I never called Grinner a misogynist.
Jack
@ cabbagefairy
I couldn`t agree more
Ulysses
well Ulysses it might help you to actually then read my statements as I clearly support the idea of simply wanting a F**k buddy and had no issue with the posting.

Oh but wait I am a woman...so can't possibly really believe that
Actually, I knew that and therefore it wasn't meant as an attack on you. I was simply developing your statement.

Ulysses, I think we are talking at cross purposes. I wrote:

I have nothing against people just sleeping with one another, no strings attached. What I do have a problem with is people speaking about the opposite sex in a discriminatory manner, whether male or female, portraying them as pieces of flesh and nothing more. You see a lot of this in advertising. This does have an effect on the psyche of people. I have experienced it myself and have heared it with my own ears.

I used the word misogynist for sure, but I never called Grinner a misogynist.
So it's ok to sleep around no strings attached, but it's not ok to talk about it? When you have a one-night stand or a shag relationship, it's all about the flesh. There're no emotions involved. As long as both are consenting, I see nothing wrong with it.
Kay
And thanks to all who have PMed me wishing me good luck and hugs!
No PM from me, I'll wish you good luck right here and now.
Grinner
I actually thoughKay had read my first post... but maybe she didnt...

As I said.. I never intended the term "Elder flower" to be offensive..

I would Like to appologise to the ladies that I have offended... This was NEVER my intention! EVER!

Sorry.

G

Edited the removal accusation was needed as I have cauht up with all related threads!...
MajorBummer
I can't figure out what the whole discussion is about. I don't know if I make things too easy (it suits me though) but I consider it to be a very simple equation:
Anything that is mutually agreed to by two adults is ok, even turning people into mere sex objects, the in thing as far as I know in the SM scene. It's nobody elses business anyway.
Anything that is achieved by deceiving someone is wrong and inacceptable.
In theory this is great when you don't think about consequences. The problem arises when people who do not think this liberally as yourself start seeing women behave the same way as men do and start using words such as SLUT to describe a women who is living her own sexuality in the same way men do. Men are never called sluts for being sexual. If you travel as a woman to certain countries, for instance to certain Muslim countries, you as a Caucasian woman are very often treated by Muslim men as sluts. I have even been "explained" this by a Turkish Muslim man. The girl on the porno cover is most likely to be nude Caucasian. For some of them that means we Caucasian women are de facto sluts and that it's perfectly ok for them to sexually harass us, hey, we probably love it.

In general I believe that as soon as you take away dignity and as soon as you see a person as being below you in some way, it makes it easier to commit a crime against that person. That is the reason why in most of Africa, Asia, Latin America and the Middle East, crimes against women are not seen as something that serious.
MajorBummer
So it's ok to sleep around no strings attached, but it's not ok to talk about it?
It's ok to talk about it, but it's not ok to talk about in a way which sounds like you think a person of the opposite sex is worth less than you.
MajorBummer
I actually thoughKay had read my first post... but maybe she didnt...

As I said.. I never intended the term "Elder flower" to be offensive.. I also not that the appology to anyone I offended with my wording has, as you would expect for one of my posts, been removed!!
I would Like to appologise to the ladies that I have offended... This was NEVER my intention! EVER!
Sorry.

G
Good luck Grinner! Remember cooking is the key.
Ulysses
In theory this is great when you don't think about consequences. The problem arises when people who do not think this liberally as yourself start seeing women behave the same way as men do and start using words such as SLUT to describe a women who is living her own sexuality in the same way men do. Men are never called sluts for being sexual. If you travel as a woman to certain countries, for instance to certain Muslim countries, you as a Caucasian woman are very often treated by Muslim men as sluts. I have even been "explained" this by a Turkish Muslim man. The girl on the porno cover is most likely to be nude Caucasian. For some of them that means we Caucasian women are de facto sluts and that it's perfectly ok for them to sexually harass us, hey, we probably love it.

In general I believe that as soon as you take away dignity and as soon as you see a person as being below you in some way, it makes it easier to commit a crime against that person. That is the reason why in most of Africa, Asia, Latin America and the Middle East, crimes against women are not seen as something that serious.
But then there's no consent on both sides now is there?

It's ok to talk about it, but it's not ok to talk about in a way which sounds like you think a person of the opposite sex is worth less than you.
Now where did you read that he thought his fuck buddy was worth less than him? Why must you always read things into everything people write?
Kay
I actually thoughKay had read my first post... but maybe she didnt...

As I said.. I never intended the term "Elder flower" to be offensive.. I also not that the appology to anyone I offended with my wording has, as you would expect for one of my posts, been removed!!
I would Like to appologise to the ladies that I have offended... This was NEVER my intention! EVER!
Sorry.

G
@G
1. I read the post already this morning
2. I wasn't offended in the least by the term in question

I actually thought about it a bit today (I just moved my comment to the right thread, btw). It's not always easy deciding how to refer to people in a certain age bracket; I just think that "elder" is not a particularly fortunate term (makes me think of village elders, to be honest ). As for a similar term, "elderly", I'd use it to describe people of retirement age or older (not those retiring at 40, mind you!).
leky
This post is great Sunday entertainment, thanks
Grinner
Ok.. I have to appologise again..

This is the original topic that has been re-opened...

I am totally lost now..

Ho hum..

G
MajorBummer
But then there's no consent on both sides now is there?
Wot? What's this about consent? Was this the topic of debate?

Now where did you read that he thought his fuck buddy was worth less than him? Why must you always read things into everything people write?
Ulysses, my final attempt: Many women on this forum were offended by this. If the good lord put you on this planet as a man, I guess you can't
understand it. Many other women on this forum weren't offended by this either. But please accept that the threads, yesterday's and today's, did come across to quite a few women as sounding misogynistic or putting women down or turning women into objects or making women feel discriminated against. Even if you can't understand how we women could possibly feel like this, just accept that some of us do.
Timmeh
Offended with no reason, they're reading into the post what they want to read, not what was written.
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