I need some female company

I think Otis Lee Crenshaw has a tune or two thematically concerned with this threads shenanigans.


And that is how shenanigans is spelt right?

well, looking at your profile, u are not really in peace with men, arent u?

I love men actually, but gave up on finding Mr. Right, and am just enjoying the company and the evenings out.

Do share . . . .

I don't kiss and tell BD! You should know that!

I also think men are great , would miss them very much if they were to all die out suddenly. I also like women though. That's why it saddens me to read some of the comments which have already been made on this forum.

Because there more than enough women around who want a fuck buddy. Why pay for it when you can get it for free? And why is it crap? Are you that much of a prude?


Yes, I did write that. And I agree with you, taken as a gross generalisation it is belittling. But it's frightening how many women are really like that. I've seen enough arseholes dragging women through the mud and the women coming back for more. I don't actually see what's wrong with Grinner's attitude. It's you that's taken it as disrespectful. Why is it disrespectful to tell a woman you just want to fuck her? No, it's not very tactful, but it leaves out the bullshit and at least the woman can think he finds her physically attractive. But no, you have to see the negative in it because you're on this feminism crusade. Make issues where they don't exist. Fuck buddy is so passe in anycase these days you should really get with it. Stop being so "verklemmt".

Grinner me ol' son, you need to learn how to cook, dude. They cannot resist.

Salade tiede de langoustines au beurre de truffes

Say it like a mantra my friend, this legendary delicate composition of what I consider to be the king of seafood, baby salad leaves, and a truffle, butter and vermouth dressing is the closest thing that taste buds can get to multiple orgasms. With the correct execution, it's almost a fucking religious experience dude.

Ulysses
It wasn't the fact that Grinner wrote that he is looking for a fuck buddy which came across as misogynistic. It was the general underlying tone of the thread as a whole. Perhaps you have to be female to pick that up though. It seems that many women did.

I have got to know many men as well who are treated like scum by their women for years on end and fail to see the reality with their own eyes. Being a fool in matters of the heart does not apply to one sex only. From what you have already told me in private about women you have got to know, I can understand it if you believe that this must apply to many women. I however didn't really see why you wrote that this should therefore apply to all women, but now you did explain. Thanks for that.

Don Riina really is a genius. Seriously, this is an excellent idea. No woman can resist a good cook. Grinner, go take cooking classes. You will most likely meet women there AND learn to cook in the deal.

How do you know, have you did a women who need fuck buddy survey or are you speaking about yourself. Or maybe you have some personal friends who are looking for fuck buddies so why don't you introduce them to Grinner. I'd have more respect for him if he would pay for it, instead of offering pizza and beer. It's not about me being a prude. This is about me being offended with the attitudes of men like you and Grinner who objectify women and think this is perfectly ok. Get real!!!

Yes, I agree about it going both ways.

I will still argue though that you're looking for the underlying tone. If you look hard enough, you'll find it. And just carry on confirming your negative image of men. Start looking for the positive. He was at least being honest. Judging by your reactions, that's not what you want though. Better that he lies, gets you in the sack and then buggers off.

This thread has made me hungry again. Incredible. I'm off now. To the kitchen. Ta-taa.

Nope, not into fuck relationships myself. But they're very common in Europe. First came across it in Holland. And yes, there are women out there who just want sex for the fun of it, no strings attached. Just go down to the Greek islands in summer or Austrian ski resorts. It's not a big extrapolation to fuck relationships. I suggest you start opening up your eyes and realise that other women want different things to you and it's those that Grinner was addressing, not you.

Ya, know, I think if I were to look for a fuck-buddy, he would look more like this:

and less like this:

I might actually be able to overlook number 1's lack of warmth, intelligence and ability to commit...

Realistically speaking though, you would probably have to settle for something more in the direction of the latter. Grinner didn't say he was looking for a supermodel either.

Bugger, I've just finished a huge pile of ironing, I should read TT more closely!

Well done, the first, and hardest step, is admitting that you have a problem.

Top post timmeh

Then PM Grinner their addresses. He deserves a bit of TLC in spite of his tactless use of adjectives.

Lovely studmuffin, kat Thanks for the eye candy for Pic 1, seeing the second pic almost made me puke

No, I wouldn't. I'm not a super-model, but I'm neither fat nor ugly. What I'm saying is that women will be more willing overlook some deficiencies in the looks department if the guy is offering love. I don't see what Grinner is offering at all.

most women would not accept if u offer them love, they would only care for their love not yours. this is the reason men have to use some tactics instead of rushing into rejection.

Kat, I wonder if his fuck buddy could be as big as the person in the second pic.

I don't see what he's offering either and to be honest, I don't think he has anything other than his "weiner" to offer. How incredibly sad.

It doesn't require a Phd in nuclear physics to figure out what Grinner has to offer. He wants to shag and there might be someone else out there who's also not the greatest in the looks department who also wants to shag. Why must you be good-looking before you can say you want a "fuck buddy"? Why must you bullshit a woman to get what you want? He doesn't want a relationship and there're a lot of women who don't want one either, but they'd love to have a good solid session between the sheets.

Could Ulyssess stop confusing the opinions of LR and MB with feminism. I strongly consider myself a feminist and don't agree with much of what both of them are saying. I may not find Grinners way of announcing his desire for a F-buddy very classy nor a particularly successful strategy...but it ain't misogynistic


Women on this site and in life sexualize men all the time, give me a break...it does not make us men haters.

So the guy wants a lady friend for sex and to eat pizza and beer...ah...o.k...free world.

I totally disagree their are not women looking for a similar situation.. Not everyone wants commitment and roses and champagne.

You sound just like the blokes at school. Now that's sad. Women like you get all pissed off because the bloke doesn't make you breakfast. If only you'd just wake up, you may just smell the coffee.

sure, gemini is right. To each his own, of course, but the fact remains that the surest way into a woman's bed is through her heart (or palette - as the Don knows). Barring either of those, it would sure help to look like number one.

Oh it's a problem, a problem with no solution in sight! Now if only I could cook really well!

Maybe I´m too hardened by my years in Germany. I didn´t find anything Grinner said offensive. He was a lot ruder to himself than to women. I can´t speak for women in general, but I don´t need a man with a six-pack stomach, and I´d appreciate being with someone who doesn´t look at me in horror if I eat chocolate. I think it is honest of Grinner to state what he is looking for -- though it´s not something I´d go for.

Grinner, work on your self-confidence. You can describe yourself as a fat bastard, but dammit, try to come across as a fat bastard worth f***ing!

Thanks for your input, I found it interesting and insightful. I never said his post was misogynistic. I said, for me, it denigrates women by objectifying women and the whole presentation lacked class and finesse. It sounded like he's an immature, teenage, farmboy just let out into the real world for the first time and discovered women exist. Then he discovers he can screw them and don't know what else to do. Not like a mature 42 year old man.

As you know, it's not what you say, it's how you say. It's no wonder Grinner says he has a long history of problems with emptiness in his life. It's all about the approach and attitude. I hope Grinner does find the fuck buddy, beer guzzling, and pizza eating women that he's searching for as everyone deserves to feel needed. I believe there is someone for everyone.

Whatever

Well LR, that is where we will have to disagree. I don't think requesting a F-buddy objectifies nor denigrates women. When I was in med school, I had neither the time nor emotional energy for a relationship...but I wasn't dead either. Good thing feminism allowed me to have situations based on my terms, and I didn't have to choose between a relationship or solitude.

The rest of what you wrote...I agree with! Certainly less women than more will be wowed or wooed by this approach.

I fail to see how his post denigrates women or objectifies them, care to explain?

And then complain that men are all liars. You can't have your cake and eat it.

HUH...what exactly is your point. Exactly when did I say anything about men being liars?

I don't believe I ever called Grinner a misogynist anywhere, nor did I claim to be a feminist. When I complained about certain comments which I have in general already read on this forum, I was suddenly accused of being a feminist bitch by Ulysses. This reaction is typical. I wouldn't want to be put into the bracket feminist either. I wouldn't want to be put into any bracket whatsoever.

I agree with you that many women sexualise men too. Lavenderrain wrote that she feels that Grinner turned women into objects by the phrasing of his post. I guess that's the thing which got to me too. I am sick of women being turned into sex objects. I disagree just as much with women turning men into mere sex objects, but I am probably just square. I think that sexuality shouldn't be an excuse for turning people into mere objects. I think that's why many men in many countries do not even see it as a crime when they rape women or stone them. They aren't humans, they are objects or possessions. Emancipated women are starting to behave equally discriminatory towards men. This is just as bad. Human dignity is the key here, I think we humans are losing it. You can have sex and enjoy life, but why speak about the opposite sex, whether male or female, as if they are nothing but pieces of meat?

Ulysses sounds as if he's rationalizing some bitterly made decision to be a prick lie to all women. There are men out there who are willing and capable of giving love and committment, and a few more who are great cooks or are at least fabulously sexy. If you have to insist on being shallow, you'll just have to accept that you're outclassed by far by those described above.

I always wanted a boyfriend who was both a cook and a masseuse. My ex's best friend was one. He always made sure that I never got to meet him. Cooking is damn sexy. Grinner, are you listening?

MB - those comments were directed at Ulysses and not you. They were his confusing of feminism...I did not mean to imply that you or LR are or are not feminists.

However I personally don't agree with you or LR regarding the whole objectifying or denigrating women issue...as related to what Grinner posted.

To me that would be...I want to F**K some dumb, fat bitch or I just looking for some P***y.

To be direct in what you want is fine, In fact I find it less deceitful than the games that many people play. However, again I find that putting it so bluntly will probably find him few PM's in his box, but that is his perogative.

@Kat

I'm rationalising being honest. Please brush up on your reading skills.


You didn't say anything of the sort. I just allowed myself to develop your statement to its consequences. Women like to be wooed, yes, they don't like to fall in love and then find out he was just in it for the sex. Why not be honest from the word go?


I don't know how you get from two consenting adults just wanting to shag to raping and stoning. You really need to get off that train because it's clouding your reason. Why is it wrong to have sex for the fun of it? Why must you be in a loving relationship first?

@MB

I never called you a feminist bitch. Please reread that post. And you sure as hell used the word "misogynist".

Well I would very much appreciate it if you did not ...develop my statements to its consequences...as I hardly agree with the vast majority of what you generalize about, and they are your conclusions...not mine.

Anyone want to join me for fish and chips at Mollie Malones...??

To prove that I will be a good boy, I will bring my mummy and daddy with me..

Lavenderrain... You ought to get off your fucking soap box..!

And thanks to all who have PMed me wishing me good luck and hugs!

G

If you make a statement, I'm fully entitled to do what the hell I want with it. For the umpteenth time, it is clear from this thread that women would prefer men to lie to them than be honest. There's nothing wrong with wooing. But then he must be in it for the long haul. If he just wants a shag, why must he go through all the bullshit? Either you want it or you don't. If you do, then you shouldn't need the wooing. If you don't, you can just politely tell him no thanks.

I agree with you. If that is what both people want, sure. It is definetely better to be open and honest rather than deceitful. I still experienced the thread as being discriminatory against women and still do.

Well I wish Grinner luck in his search, if I still don't get what he has against love. I'd think he'd be grateful for it, considering his self-description. But we all have our faults and hurdles to leap when looking to pair up. It was suggested to me last night that I might be intimidating, though I'm sure I don't know what they meant.
Not me

As I said, you see what you want to see.

Isn't it more degrading to woman to make it sound like there is something wrong with just wanting sex? Maybe the younger generation but I have a whole clan of mates who just hunt out fuck buddies and wouldn´t be all too impressed if the guy wanted something more.

I can't figure out what the whole discussion is about. I don't know if I make things too easy (it suits me though) but I consider it to be a very simple equation:
Anything that is mutually agreed to by two adults is ok, even turning people into mere sex objects, the in thing as far as I know in the SM scene. It's nobody elses business anyway.
Anything that is achieved by deceiving someone is wrong and inacceptable.

@Kat

Love involves sacrifices and maybe he's just not ready for that. I will say though that I know of a few shag relationships that ended up at the altar.