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Dresden's UNESCO title threatened by new bridge

Update: World Heritage status revoked

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Deccie
Dresden Elbe Valley was added to UNESCO's World heritage site list in 2004.

Despite this a recent decision by the Saxony court allows for the building of a new bridge to go ahead.

In a referendum in 2005, the residents of Dresden voted to continue with the bridge project to try and alleviate traffic jams. Then in 2006 UNESCO said if the bridge went ahead that it would remove the Elbe Valley from its list of over 830 world heritage sites. When this was announced the state government wanted to back down from the referendum results. However the court decision was that the referendum must stand and the bridge MUST be built.

Deutsche Welle: New Bridge Could Cost Dresden Its UNESCO Title

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cinzia
Typical muddled DW article. Who can tell WTF they're on about half the time?

The head of the German UNESCO Commission, Walter Hirche, has appealed to the federal government to "establish the conditions necessary for the consequential inter-state implementation of the World Heritage Convention," reported German news agency DPA.
Huh?

Anyway, it seems to me two things need to happen for everybody to be happy:

1. The engineers of the bridge need to come up with a design that is harmonious with the rest of Dresden's baroque architecture, rather than some modern horror.

2. UNESCO needs to stop expecting its World Heritage Sites to cease being living cities as soon as they receive the coveted designation. Look what happened to Venice. It's a giant museum, rather than a place where people can enjoy living. Is that what UNESCO wants? Let's hope not.

I have no doubt the two sides will come to an agreement where Dresden will get its bridge without losing its UNESCO seal of approval.
Small Town Boy
The current design is certainly an ugly bastard of a bridge, which hardly helps. And it is being built uncomfortably close to the centre of Dresden (see photos). The referendum wasn't even initiated by the local government, but was a citizen's initiative (you can force a referendum on an issue if enough people register), so you really get the impression that the local government is being bounced into building this. Some 68% voted in favour of the bridge (on a 51% turnout), although, interestingly, the vote in favour was highest away from where the bridge would be built.

Information for and against the project:

Dresden - Heritage in Danger
Pro-bridge campaign (in German)

There's also masses of information on the German Wikipedia entry: Waldschlößchenbrücke

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Pat Bateman
Some 68% voted in favour of the bridge (on a 51% turnout), although, interestingly, the vote in favour was highest away from where the bridge would be built.
Ahh ... the wonders of Democracy
Small Town Boy
I happened to be in Dresden this weekend, and there are a couple of points that I thought of:

  • Dresden has an excellent public transportation system. There are buses and trams whizzing about all over the place at all times of the day and night. I looked out of my hotel bedroom on Sunday morning and the first two vehicles that I saw were buses. The hotel was 5km from the city centre, but the journey time there was as low as 12 minutes and never more than 19. So I have to say that I don't have much sympathy when the local residents starts whingeing about all the traffic jams.
  • One would be able to see the new bridge from the city centre, and I think this is a very strong argument against its construction or, at the very least, its design. Most of the bridges in Dresden are arched bridges and thus have a relatively low profile. The design that they have for the new bridge is higher than the neighbouring bridges and thus sticks out. It also sticks out by using metal not stone. I don't understand why modern architects refuse to use stone in new constructions. All their aluminium and glass will prove to be the concrete of the 21st century, in my opinion.
  • It would be interesting to have another referendum now that the choice is basically down to new bridge or World Heritage Site status. I don't have a great deal of faith in mankind at the best of times, but I think that when the choice is put as starkly as that, the majority of people will decide they can live without the stupid bridge after all. Since this important information wasn't available when they voted the first time, it could indeed be argued that the results are no longer relevant.
straker
what i have heard is that part o fthe reason for the new bridge is the the blue wonder needs repairs in the future and if they close it for repairs then the traffic to the other bridges will be more. traffic around the bridges is already not nice. i wont use the new bridge but if building it will make any help to the traffic then i am happy to see it come.
Deccie
Yesterday 6th June 2007 Karlsruhe-based Constitutional Court ruled in favor of a local citizens' referendum to build the bridge over the Elbe.

Hmmm but I have alos heard that the Bundes are going to withdraw funding forthe project. It was seeming planned originally in the mid 90's as the expected increase in traffic was large, howeverthe actual increase in traffic is less than expected.

German court rules to build bridge
smarter78
Seriously, how many people come to Dresden because of the UNESCO title. There will always be things that people don't want but they are necessary. Just imagine all the things wouldn't be there today - Infineon, AMD, VW at Strassburger Platz, the A17. All of those are soooo important for our economy here. If they would have listened to all the people who were against it for environmental reasons, Dresden would be a lot worse off today. I believe it is good to build the brigde. It might make Dresden a little less green but look around. Most city with rivers has more bridges than we do. I think it will an interesting part of the modern historic Dresden. We have history but we are also prepared for the future and that is the most important thing... I hope that makes sense
Deccie
Construction of the bridge was due to start on Mon 13th August has been halted yesterday by a court ruling thanks to a BAT.

Now conservationists need to see to what extent the tiny bat known as the lesser horseshoe bat, or rhinolophus hipposideros, would be affected by the bridge construction, and how it can be protected. The bat is considered an endangered species.
Bat Halts Controversial Bridge Construction in Dresden
Small Town Boy
...but that decision has now been overturned and it seems that building will now proceed. You can kick up a fuss, but the car-driving lobby is just too strong.

Dresden Court Overturns Halt on Elbe River Bridge
Deccie
Dresden to Scale Down Bridge to Preserve World Heritage Status

The city has announed plans for a slimmer bridge (1 metre ) in order to pacify UNESCO, it is still an ugly looking thing IMHO. There are still protests every Monday and there is a major signature gathering in order to reconsider a tunnel, despite that construction of the bridge has already started.
Small Town Boy
Amazing really that they won't stop construction while they think this thing through properly, but the pro-bridge interests are just too strong. I can't really see how reducing the width of the bridge by 4% will make even the remotest difference.
anne k
Construction has been stopped since at least 1990 :-) For anyone who can understand German well, there's a Wikipedia article detailing the long, arduous process ...
annaf
Anne, they started construction on the bridge in Nov. 2007. Take a walk by the Elbe and you'll see the work. Wikipedia is not a reliable source for information.
straker
i think someone thought dresden needs a bridge. Then took the time to find a place to put it. to hire a preson to design it. Then get the government to approve it and pay for it. I guess that this took a long time. I am not sure what they need to think about now. The bridge should be built already. So far as I understand there wa sa vote and people said they want the bridge. just because a hand full of tree huggers want to stop the bridge keeps getting posponed. still i like the tunnel idea I think we should do both. So lets ge tthe bridge built and then after words we can build a tunnel too!
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