Average cost of utility bills across Germany

I pay 266€ .. per month..

Outskirts of munich..

Single bloke!

Aaaaaaand nebenkosten ist was? I have no clue, but I'm sure it's expensive as I live in Schwabing and most things are

250 until last year and then it went up 20 euro.

Is it proportional to your rent? / size of flat?

we are 116 qm in a dachgeschloss (sp?) in Glockenbachviertel.

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Nothing. My rent is €270, everything included (phone, satellite TV, internet, electricity, water, furnished).
But I guess my apartment may be *slightly* smaller than the average TTer's.

100 Euros for a 40 sqm studio in the southern area of Munich (4-th ring).

dunno exactlv but shedloads

I think mine was something like €100 for my 100 sqm flat just outside of Ismaning.

Something like €100 for a 3 roomed flat in GBV.

Yours sounds really dear Grinner.

You know you can ask to see the communal bills that came in for the property and how they were split between the various parties living there.
If you think something is amiss you can ask the Mieterverein for help. "Mistakes" aren't that uncommon.

But the same rules apply as with monthly charges for energy: They have to be set to cover the estimated costs so you don't get a huge bill at the end of the year for any open balance.

200€ p/m including cabel TV for 85 sqm.

@ MT.. I am not a member of the Mietervereine..

I do however know that the HV look after 4 different house numbers ( but one property) and share the cost out between us all..

eg...house 53, 55 and 57 on one street and 19 on another... 19 is in the same block... and has a lift but I still have to pay for its up keep.. we also paid 110k€ last year to replace a heating/ water system to cure the yellow tainted water problem... we still have yellow tainted water...

BTW.. I am in a village, about 3 KM past Nowhere bei Muenchen!

Give your HV a friendly call and offer to help them by having your lawyer check their Nebenkostenabrechnung. I bet you'll get a new one rather quick. Or you can do it like i did once ... use it to blackmail them into things you like to have done

260 Eur NK + 57 Eur Power

€ 160 for 110 sqm, and we get about € 700 back every year.€ 78 for leccy

Dunno how good your German is but have a look here: Nebenkostenabrechnung für München

Right, I'm not an expert.
But if the Hausverwaltung looks sfter four different buildings that are in the same street, I am sure they are NOT allowed to put the costs into one pot and then share it out becasue you end up having to bear costs that you can't influence or gain from.

Of couse, say your elderly neighbour needs longer on the stair so has the communal lights on longer, you end up paying a buit for that bit its in your house.
You shouldn't be paying for stuff in other buildings, PARTICUARLY a lift for example.

When the bill comes for the end of year tally up, there's basic details in the letter.
There HAS to be an invitation to examine the books at the office of the Hausverwaltung during business hours and a period in which you can reject their calculations.

*) Make sure you are paying your share of your house alone.
*) Check how the total is split. Is it divided by the number of units or sq. metres nd is the calculation right
*) Go and look at the bins just before collection, are you paying for cubic metre refuse disposal that isn't being used?
*) How often is the Hausmeister there? Once a week to check communal lightbulbs an mop the staits? Then check its not for permenant service you are paying for.
Also check tha the Housemeister isn't the brother or cousin etc of the Hausverwaltung.

etc etc

Maybe the figure is right Grinner, but it does strike me as large.
The Mietverein is about €80 a year but if you have a case you will obviously get that money back almost immediately.

All the best.

Nebenkosten in Munich average at 2,44 Euro per square meter. If based on that yours still seem to be too high, I'd ask around what your neighbours pay. If you're lucky one of them might be a member in the Mietverein already.