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Did man really go to the moon?

Update: New probe takes photos of landing sites

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Grinner
I think it was a load of bollox.

Space race! What was all that about? What was first prize then?

G
Jeeves
First prize was to leave footprints that will last for thousands of years.
DrivinWest
I've met Neil Armstrong and hung out with Buzz Aldrin. I know Gene Kranz and Glynn Lunney well. I've talked with the last three about the moon hoax. In short, I promise you, NASA went to the moon not once but several times.

There is more than one guy out there who's playing on public ignorance and making a buck off it. It should be noted that these hoax proponents are poorly educated in the scientific and engineering arenas. In contrast, there are guys like this, a trained astromer and physicist, who gives rebuttals to the common hoax proponent "evidence" and backs it up with science. Another good debunking site.

So you gotta ask, if you can't understand the physics behind it, shouldn't you just trust the well respected scientist who makes $0.00 from his work vs. people who don't know a hypergolic fuel from a Lithium Hydroxide canister and profit from making outrageous claims?

But you were asking for evidence so: Apollo 15 landing site (with pics) and Apollo 11 experiment still in use today.

And another good debunking site from the UK.
VDB
People who pretend to know about these scientific cover-ups such as that there never was a moon landing or that we could have cars driving on water tomorrow if the oil industry cooperates are imho very irritating.

It's hard enough to explain scientific progress to the general public when the technology and mathematics involved are so complex you have to study half your life only to understand it, let alone take progress one step further. Making these stupid claims further limits the willingness of the general public to use tax money to invest in scientific progress. Is that what they aim for, or do they only want the attention of the media?
butterbean
Eddie Izzard did a funny bit about Armstrong and landing on the moon...
DrivinWest
@ VDB

I couldn't agree more. What I find exceptionally irritating as well, is the public need to believe in the outrageous. No longer is it good enough to marvel in the ingenuity of mankind and realize that we've set foot on another astronomical body. Instead people must in something more incredible that that; that the whole thing was faked.

The majority of claims the hoax proponents make can be rebutted with a decent understanding high school physics:

Q: Why is the flag waving unless there is wind on the moon (or on a movie set. Wind on a movie set? C'mon!?)?
A: Because the astronaut shimmied it back and for to get it into the surface, and inertia still exists in a vacuum. Due to the lack of air to dampen the movement, it continued to "wave" longer than it would in still air on earth.

Q: How come the astronauts didn't burn up in their suits? You can't get rid of heat in a vacuum and they were being radiated on by the sun with no atmosphere to temper the heat.
A: Of course you can get rid of heat in a vacuum. The three means of heat transfer are conduction, convection, and radiation. Radiation requires no medium (duh, it radiates).

Q: Why are there no stars in any pictures?
A: Pictures were taken of bright objects with intense lighting from the sun (no atmosphere to interfere). Cameras thus had to be set with fast shutters to prevent overexposure. Stars, being faint objects, did not register on film. Here is a picture of the ISS taken from the Space Shuttle. What is missing? Stars! Unless the hoax proponents think the ISS is likewise faked (like this nutjob who needs to retake high school physics), this argument holds no water.

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Grinner
So why are they building a Floating space centre?

Surely its more stable to build on solid moon?

I can only compare this to "trying to nail jelly to the ceiling"

G

PS where is the lunar buggy! No signs of this.
DrivinWest
So why are they building a Floating space centre
You're joking right? The big advantage of being in space for research purposes is that there is a microgravity environment. No such environment exists on the moon (as I recall the acceleration due to gravity is about 1.6m/s^2.

PS where is the lunar buggy! No signs of this..
What do you mean no signs of it? The thing is tiny and 384,000km away. It is roughly the same as trying to see a radio controlled car (1/10th scale) at a distance equivalent to the circumference of the earth. That's why we can't see it from here.

If you want to know why Clementine couldn't see it, just look at the camera specifications.

It says, The image array is 288 x 384 pixels, (pixel size of 23 x 23 micrometers) so the pixel resolution at the Moon was 7-20 m depending on the spacecraft altitude.

As the buggy is less than 7m in length, it won't show up in Clementine photographs.
oli2000
The discussion reminds me of people who say the Holocaust was faked, it never happened. Imagined, or perhaps a Jewish conspiracy. BTW, in Germany it is a criminal offence to say the latter. So please... come on! Yes, the Holocaust happened, and so did the moon landings.
Grinner
Of course I am joking!!!

I bothers me not, what they do in space, as long as they dont bump into the sky satellite...

Its just a wind-up!!

Chill...
gideon
I bothers me not, what they do in space, as long as they dont bump into the sky satellite..
if they did that fox news would cease to support the bush administration (murdoch connection) which would result in nasa having to personaly replace it asap or its bye bye funding.

(also a joke... or is it?)
Grinner
Its a conspiracy... you are out to get me
DrivinWest
OK

Fortunately, the Sky satellites are geosynchronous and thus at an altitude of about 40,000km so I don't think it will be a problem!
Grinner
or is it Geo-stationary.. @ 23,000KM above the equator?
gideon
or maybe they don't really exist. what they 'launched' was actually a scale model rocket, and the sat was just made up of left over white plastic chairs not used by the cia in the iraq beheading incident. oh and driven west is really an nsa agent who smuggels large amounts of stolen beer glasses to iran in order to pay for bush's doubles (bush himself being killed by osama bin ladens suicide plane bombers - no it didn't crash into a field!! - and emmerich (of id4 fame) was involved in the hollographic reproduction of the new white house, thats why they 'used ' paint from a german company, check the money transfers!! and those power cuts on the east coast were caused by using a special memory erasing device so that no-body knows about this all. check this link www.usa.gov.org its all there and i've got a tin foil hat on)

sorry will now check my render-farm
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