Serenissima
Mar 6 2007, 3:20 pm
Having a bad day?
These cute photos of a polar bear cub in Berlin Zoo must surely cheer you up!
Link to
story and photos on Spiegel Online.
Keydeck
Mar 6 2007, 3:24 pm
That is one cute knut.
KofferInBerlin
Mar 6 2007, 3:55 pm
Video and
polar bear blog (from the RBB, who have finally found a decent use for my GEZ fees).
Much cuter than the picture I saw in a tabloid recently of the cub being conceived.
Deccie
Mar 15 2007, 5:20 pm
Has anyone actually seen Knut live yet? When is he making his public appearances?
Probably be 10 million people there.
I reckon Knut is going to be a mascot for the city for many many years to come.
Wee Mun
Mar 15 2007, 5:29 pm
Anyone seen his older brother FCUK?
Deccie
Mar 19 2007, 3:15 pm
Report in the spiegel today saying that some animal activists reckno he should be put down as it is against nature to hand feed him. A bit controversial methinks.
Knut Should Be Killed, Say Some Animal Activists
MadAxeMurderer
Mar 19 2007, 3:37 pm
Yes thats also a headline in Bild. They kept saying it goes against "das Tiergesetz", and I suppose the rules are the rules.
The argument is that Knut will be a badly adjusted polar bear having been raised by humans. However as pointed out in the quoted article, male polar bears are solitary anyway so his poor polar social skills will not be much of an issue. I reckon Knut will be a lot happier alive than dead, so its seems a bit narrow minded of animal protection orginisations to want him dead.
But of course die Tiergesetze are die Tiergesetze
first-time-caller
Mar 19 2007, 3:43 pm
oh ffs, why is this idea even considered? So if I understand that in the interests of the bear's welfare, animal rights nutballs activists have considered Knut better dead than alive.
sarabyrd
Mar 19 2007, 3:44 pm
Do you really want him to grow up anti-social and be shot like Bruno? Nip the tendency in the bud, I tell you!
Ruthie
Mar 19 2007, 4:22 pm
so if your rights as a "wild animal" haven't been respected, you deserve to die?
There's a HUGE difference to Bruno. Coming from wild animal country in Utah, I agreed with shooting Bruno (was just surprised it took that long to get him -- and I was surprised that he's the only bear around)--but once a bear figures out people have good food, and is not afraid of them, it's just a matter of time before a small child gets between him and his chickens...
But Knut is in a zoo! He's in a cage already! What's he going to do, splash people to death with his drinking water? How Schizophrenic are these animal rights acitivists? It's not okay to shoot a wild bear who is running free and a danger to humans, yet they think you should kill a little baby bear because he's too cuddly and likes the people who keep him in a cage?
Seems like people just want something to get upset about, but have no clear principles they are going by.
zimmer
Mar 19 2007, 5:04 pm
I say
quatsch! The polar bear, Inuka, in our
Zoo in Singapore has been living in the zoo since he was born 16 years ago and is still alive! His mother has lived well past the average 25 year life span for captive polar bears too! And in the tropics!!
QUOTE
Inuka is the first polar bear to be born in the tropics and to the Singapore Zoo. Now 16 years old, Inuka has grown from a cute fluffy cub to a handsome and charming bear.
Currently, Inuka lives with his 29 year-old mother Sheba at the Singapore Zoo. However Sheba is now well past the average 25 year life span for captive polar bears. When Sheba eventually passes away, Inuka may be transferred to a temperate country zoo.
Carm
Mar 19 2007, 5:08 pm
God, I come from a Polar Bear area, and even in the Winnipeg Zoo, the polar bears cubs are born and raised in Captivity, with global warming there are going to be some huge problems in the Norther Countries with the bears, now they are walking into large towns and reaking havoc.
Serenissima
Mar 20 2007, 11:43 am
There is a poignant cartoon in the latest Private Eye magazine subverting the old Fox's Glacier Mints brand-mark; the polar bear on top of the ice-cube/mint is saying to the fox 'no, it's not a mint. This is all that's left of the polar ice-cap'.
Yes, the polar bear cub was rejected by its mother, and yes, in the wild Knut would have rapidly died. But he was born in captivity, and much as I feel a dis-ease about zoos in general, if they can preserve the diminishing gene pool of a species and actively engage in breeding programs to broaden it, then little Knut should be given the best chance he can to survive, even if by human intervention in a 'natural' process. And if interest in Knut and his threatened species is raised by cute videos of him playing in his sand-pit etc, all power to the media in that respect. Now, if only the innumerable other threatened species (innumerable because we just don't know by a long chalk how many species are out there) had as endearing a media cutey-pie as Knut to heighten their plight, maybe humankind would stop their rapine attitude to the Earth's resources RIGHT NOW!
* wanders off into la-la land following clouds and pretty butterflies *
Okay, it's not going to happen. Perhaps not until the oceans are lapping into our living rooms and drowning the cat. But at least in fifty years time we can look back at video clips of Knut and see what we're missing.
MadAxeMurderer
Mar 20 2007, 12:12 pm
The Belin zoo has basically said nuts to the animal activists Knut is not getting the chop.
I normally like animal activists, but sometimes they're their own worst enemy. Even if they were right on this one, saying that the most gorgeous cuddly ball of fluffy white bear cub should be euthanised is simply bad PR. Technically they might even be correct, but they must be autistic sociopaths to think that kind of statement is going to convince the gerneral public that they are good for animals, and we should give them money.
admetus
Mar 20 2007, 2:07 pm
The activist, whose Tierschutzgesetz quote is reported by Bild, claims he has been quoted out of context (by Bild? No, really?). He says that his aim was to highlight the inconsistencies and contradictions in the laws as, in a recent case, the law came down on the side of a zoo in Leipzig where a
Lippenbärbaby was put down by lethal injection and it was the zoo director who successfully claimed that manually rearing animals leads to behavioural problems. As such, the activist reasoned, raising baby Knut by hand should also be illegal. The law is, after all, supposedly blind. Here's the
FAZ article about it, complete with a gallery of cute baby bear pictures.
And here's a gratuitious one purloined from said article...
Uncle Nick
Mar 20 2007, 2:25 pm
Gay polar bear at Berlin zoo:
QUOTE
Klos said they are expecting a crowd of photographers and cameramen to document Knut's coming out party.
kitkat64
Mar 20 2007, 2:32 pm
He is so darn cute. My colleagues and I are all following his development closely (more men than women, if you can believe that).
QUOTE (Uncle Nick @ Mar 20 2007, 2:25 pm)

Gay polar bear at Berlin zoo:
Knut ist schwul, und es ist auch gut so.
QUOTE (MadAxeMurderer @ Mar 20 2007, 12:12 pm)

The Belin zoo has basically said nuts to the animal activists Knut is not getting the chop.
The BBC can't bear the idea, either:
Berlin rallies behind baby bear.
gills
Mar 21 2007, 7:41 am
So it's ok to take an animal with a range of hundreds of miles and put it in a cage, but it's not ok to hand-feed the cub? Oh brother...
BadDoggie
Mar 21 2007, 7:50 am
Congratulations! You're as ignorant as any other
Bild reader!
Admetus only pointed out five comments ago that what
Bild wrote was taken completely out of context in an attempt to manufacture controversy, a claim backed up by
BildBlog. But it's better to run around spewing stupidity like so many
Bild-readers than to actually pay attention to
the facts.
If you see it in
Das Bild, it's a lie.
woof.
eurovol
Mar 21 2007, 1:31 pm
I think you want to improve you some reading comprehension, like of the post above you.
fer97
Mar 22 2007, 5:37 pm
eurovol
Mar 22 2007, 5:51 pm
Comprehend this:
QUOTE
"If a polar bear mother rejected the baby, then I believe the zoo must follow the instincts of nature," Albrecht said. "In the wild, it would have been left to die."
It means kill the bear and not save its life. Backtracking on the fact that it is now older and able to survive is simply to contradict ones own belief in the face of public pressure. My comprehension is just fine, I suggest you start to read between the lines to improve yours. People don't always tell the truth and animal activists are more two-faced than the NRA.
Editor Bob
Mar 22 2007, 6:53 pm
Carm
Mar 22 2007, 7:43 pm
he is so cute, I wish I could take him home.
Renia
Mar 22 2007, 8:47 pm
We could bearnap him?
Carm
Mar 22 2007, 8:52 pm
yah, I could, but I know how big Polar Bears get and how hungry they can be, and that they can break down a door if hungry.
Renia
Mar 22 2007, 8:57 pm
He would cost a fortune to feed...unless you fed him on choccies from the surgery?
Carm
Mar 22 2007, 9:03 pm
nah, they need meat! Chocolate would just upset them.
Renia
Mar 22 2007, 9:16 pm
Hmmm..meat...unwanted patients...that would take care of your workload!
Carm
Mar 22 2007, 10:38 pm
hmm! you may be onto something there Renia, just gotta make sure the bears don't eat the wallets too.
fer97
Mar 23 2007, 8:26 am
QUOTE (KofferInBerlin @ Mar 6 2007, 3:55 pm)

Video and
polar bear blog (from the RBB, who have finally found a decent use for my GEZ fees).
The blog is now published in english and spanish too.
Deccie
Mar 23 2007, 4:15 pm
"Knut ist Gut"
His first appearance this morning. Some really good photos in the Spiegel article
Knut Swoons the Crowds at First Public Appearance!
planetmoni
Mar 23 2007, 4:17 pm
polar bears are my favourite animal

and watching those pictures... i want one!
Lifeisabuffet
Mar 23 2007, 4:22 pm
QUOTE (eurovol @ Mar 21 2007, 1:31 pm)

I think I want to shoot me some animal nutjob activists.
Eurovol, tell me when and I'll join you. Animals are at our mercy and we should kill a baby animal because he wouldn't have survived in nature anyway? Those activits are five star psychos. Sheesh.
QUOTE (Lifeisabuffet @ Mar 23 2007, 4:22 pm)

Eurovol, tell me when and I'll join you. Animals are at our mercy and we should kill a baby animal because he wouldn't have survived in nature anyway? Those activits are five star psychos. Sheesh.
Please try reading carefully before going on a killing spree:
QUOTE (admetus @ Mar 20 2007, 2:07 pm)

The activist, whose Tierschutzgesetz quote is reported by Bild, claims he has been quoted out of context (by Bild? No, really?). He says that his aim was to highlight the inconsistencies and contradictions in the laws as, in a recent case, the law came down on the side of a zoo in Leipzig where a
Lippenbärbaby was put down by lethal injection and it was the zoo director who successfully claimed that manually rearing animals leads to behavioural problems. As such, the activist reasoned, raising baby Knut by hand should also be illegal. The law is, after all, supposedly blind. Here's the
FAZ article about it, complete with a gallery of cute baby bear pictures.
QUOTE (BadDoggie @ Mar 21 2007, 7:50 am)

Congratulations! You're as ignorant as any other
Bild reader!
Admetus only pointed out five comments ago that what
Bild wrote was taken completely out of context in an attempt to manufacture controversy, a claim backed up by
BildBlog. But it's better to run around spewing stupidity like so many
Bild-readers than to actually pay attention to
the facts.
Note that the Yahoo and BBC articles are just repeating the Bild's misrepresentation of the animal activist's comments. Although there is this from the BBC article (which they also didn't bother to research themselves):
QUOTE
"One should have had the courage to let the bear die then," said Wolfram Graf-Rudolf, head of the Aachen Zoo, cited by the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung.
So maybe you want to go shoot some zookeepers?
Lifeisabuffet
Mar 24 2007, 3:02 pm
QUOTE (jtw @ Mar 24 2007, 2:39 pm)

Please try reading carefully before going on a killing spree:
Note that the Yahoo and BBC articles are just repeating the Bild's misrepresentation of the animal activist's comments. Although there is this from the BBC article (which they also didn't bother to research themselves):
So maybe you want to go shoot some zookeepers?
Whatever. I speak fluent German and I listened to the German news on this topic. So I know what the animal activists's real intentions are. Try becoming fluent in German, it'll help you understand many things much better, including the news.
Whatever is right. I don't know why you assume I'm not fluent in German, nor whether this news report you listened to did any more than parrot the Bild article like so many other outlets seem to have. I do know that what's been linked so far are 1) articles that take the Bild at face value and 2) articles that explain the context and how the Bild was being sensasionalistic and misleading.
willum
Mar 24 2007, 6:27 pm

ain´t he cute...
Topics merged by admin
katz
Mar 24 2007, 6:37 pm
He is soooooooooo cute , I told my 2 girls" I want one " Its sad that I live so far away from Berlin.
s2s2
Mar 24 2007, 8:36 pm
ahh... this might be a little 'out' there... and the animal guy's comments were taken out of context, to sensationalise them... however, wanted to share with TT what first came to my mind when I heard this post
Dumping animals
Ruthie
Mar 24 2007, 10:39 pm
I want Knut´s caretaker to take care of me, too...Rrrrrrrh.
Roger H
Mar 28 2007, 2:11 pm
Knut is a
danger to us all! Kill him now!
QUOTE
Berlin Zoo denied media allegations on Tuesday that Knut the celebrity polar bear cub was responsible for the sudden demise of one of its older attractions, a 22-year-old panda who was found dead in her cage.
"How many more, my friends? How many more?"
Ruthie
Mar 28 2007, 2:41 pm
My first thought when I heard about Yan-Yan was that someone (human) was trying to make some kind of statement by killing her...
Lifeisabuffet
Mar 28 2007, 6:03 pm
QUOTE (Ruthie @ Mar 24 2007, 11:39 pm)

I want Knut´s caretaker to take care of me, too...Rrrrrrrh.
Ruthie, please, there is a line, please stand behind all the ladies who already lined up and want to be taken care of by the caretaker
Kanga
Mar 29 2007, 9:28 am
What does 'KNUT' mean or stand for???
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