Lexicon
Feb 11 2007, 10:38 pm
Ok, before someone just replies with a 'prepare to merge' comment, I searched the threads, and the other integration course threads are about different issues, so I'm starting this one...
I am interested in finding out if I am eligible for one of these Integration courses mentioned in the 'Manual for Germany'
http://www.handbuch-deutschland.de/book/en/005_001_001.htmlI am an American with a residence / work permit. The page in my passport is entitled: Aufenthaltstitel, and the type is listed as 'Aufenthaltserlaubnis AE gemäß (section) 18 AufenthG' and the number starts with a 'D'.
This is my first German visa, so I honestly don't know exactly what all that means. I know this one is just for one year, as apparently that is standard procedure for first-timers. (btw if anyone knows how to get this extended it would be really helpful as that creates tons of problems business-wise).
So, as a non-eu auslander am I entitled to take one of these language courses?
Also, are they free? And, do they have them for non-beginners?
Any assistance would be appreciated
--drew
Aelfwynn
Feb 11 2007, 10:53 pm
They're not free, but they are subsidized: 1EUR/45 min "hour".
The language part only goes up to level B1.
Bandu
Feb 12 2007, 11:20 am
QUOTE (Lexicon @ Feb 11 2007, 10:38 pm)

I honestly don't know exactly what all that means
Aufenthaltstitel is just the title of the document / permit.
Aufenthaltserlaubnis is the Residence permit.
You did not mention the duration of your permit. Your best bet is to go back to the same authorities who gave you this permit and ask them regarding the integration course. If you are lucky, you will get the form and a list of schools running this course.
Aelfwynn
Feb 12 2007, 12:09 pm
QUOTE (Bandu @ Feb 12 2007, 11:20 am)

You did not mention the duration of your permit. Your best bet is to go back to the same authorities who gave you this permit and ask them regarding the integration course. If you are lucky, you will get the form and a list of schools running this course.
Read again, the OP said it was for one year.
Oma Stelzbok
Feb 12 2007, 12:10 pm
sky_hoc
Feb 16 2007, 8:39 pm
@ Oma - Thanx for that link, im looking forward to doing this course.
Lexicon
Feb 16 2007, 8:44 pm
Thanks everyone!
mayank
Oct 12 2007, 12:50 pm
My wife wanted to enroll for an Integration Course but her application was rejected since they said that her residence permit should have been valid for at least 12 months from the date of registration. I think its impossible since FRO in Frankfurt only issues visas for one year for first 3 years.
Conquistador
Oct 12 2007, 1:27 pm
Look into German courses at the local Volkshochschule.
Raffles
Oct 15 2007, 9:12 am
Integration courses are only free if you are a foreigner, living on the state, preferably with a few kids, and an ever-held- out hand.
Not English, American, Irish etc. You have to grin and bear it mate, but it does get your back up.!!!
giorgio83
Oct 15 2007, 7:23 pm
my friend are married and the Ausländeramt also doesn´t give him that... they said he has been here for 3 years should speak good German...
nsuffield
Oct 16 2007, 8:47 am
They give preference to people from outside of the EU, but I had no problem qualifying. I specifically said I was an IT worker looking for employment. Mind you, getting on a course iteself is not so easy. They aren't allowed to publicise integration courses so many are undersubscribed. I've already had two courses cancelled.
mayank
Oct 18 2007, 2:42 pm
I also have a similar problem. My wife (also an Indian passport holder with residence permit - dependant on me) applied for Integration Kurs particularly because its subsidized. The application was rejected by a letter frm BAMF saying the following (translated crudely from German to English by me):
Your application does not compile with 'Clause 44 Abs. 4 of Aufenthalsgesetz'. You meet the provisions of 'Clause 44 Abs. 1 of Aufenthalsgesetz' since you you have first received your Residence Permit on 12-April-2007. Regarding any permission to participate in Integration Course, please contact 'Ausländerbehörde' and make another exemption request.
We will contact the 'Ausländerbhörde' once again but does anyone in this forum know, what is this Clause 44 of Aufenthalsgesetz?
Freising
Oct 18 2007, 3:02 pm
This is the newest version of the clause, effective since August 19, 2007:
§44
AufenthaltsgesetzQUOTE
(1) Einen Anspruch auf die einmalige Teilnahme an einem Integrationskurs hat ein Ausländer, der sich dauerhaft im Bundesgebiet aufhält, wenn ihm
1. erstmals eine Aufenthaltserlaubnis
a) zu Erwerbszwecken (§§ 18, 21),
b ) zum Zweck des Familiennachzugs (§§ 28, 29, 30, 32, 36),
c) aus humanitären Gründen nach § 25 Abs. 1 oder Abs. 2,
d) als langfristig Aufenthaltsberechtigter nach § 38a oder
2. ein Aufenthaltstitel nach § 23 Abs. 2
erteilt wird.
Von einem dauerhaften Aufenthalt ist in der Regel auszugehen, wenn der Ausländer eine Aufenthaltserlaubnis von mehr als einem Jahr erhält oder seit über 18 Monaten eine Aufenthaltserlaubnis besitzt, es sei denn, der Aufenthalt ist vorübergehender Natur.
(2) Der Teilnahmeanspruch nach Absatz 1 erlischt zwei Jahre nach Erteilung des den Anspruch begründenden Aufenthaltstitels oder bei dessen Wegfall.
(3) Der Anspruch auf Teilnahme am Integrationskurs besteht nicht bei Kindern, Jugendlichen und jungen Erwachsenen, die eine schulische Ausbildung aufnehmen oder ihre bisherige Schullaufbahn in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland fortsetzen, bei erkennbar geringem Integrationsbedarf oder wenn der Ausländer bereits über ausreichende Kenntnisse der deutschen Sprache verfügt. Die Berechtigung zur Teilnahme am Orientierungskurs bleibt im Falle des Satzes 1 Nr. 3 hiervon unberührt.
(4) Ein Ausländer, der einen Teilnahmeanspruch nicht oder nicht mehr besitzt, kann im Rahmen verfügbarer Kursplätze zur Teilnahme zugelassen werden. Diese Regelung findet entsprechend auf deutsche Staatsangehörige Anwendung, wenn sie nicht über ausreichende Kenntnisse der deutschen Sprache verfügen und in besonderer Weise integrationsbedürftig sind.
melbel
Oct 19 2007, 10:01 am
Hello Freising,
Thanks for posting this information, now I just need a little help understanding it. Would you, or anyone else out there who is able to speak German beyond my intermediate level, mind offering a condensed translation of the main points from this. Sorry. I'm in the 'still learning' category. I can handle myself quite well at the market, in restaurants, and even in dinner conversations with German friends. But, I do struggle with official documents I'm afraid. (I'm not that good yet)
With thanks in advance,
Mel
Freising
Oct 19 2007, 11:00 am
QUOTE (mayank @ Oct 18 2007, 3:42 pm)

Your application does not compile with 'Clause 44 Abs. 4 of Aufenthalsgesetz'. You meet the provisions of 'Clause 44 Abs. 1 of Aufenthalsgesetz' since you you have first received your Residence Permit on 12-April-2007. Regarding any permission to participate in Integration Course, please contact 'Ausländerbehörde' and make another exemption request.
Clause 44 Abs. 1 tells you, if you are entitled to an integration course. And according to the text you translated, you are entitled.
Clause 44 Abs. 4 only says that, if you are not entitled, you could still get access to a course, if there are still some open spots.
If your translation is correct, I would assume that you just filled out the request in the wrong way. That is: you asked for a Integration Course according to Abs. 4 - whereas you should have asked for a course according to Abs. 1. They probably only get money for a request according to Abs. 1...
They will probably tell you, how to do it, when you contact them.
mayank
Oct 19 2007, 12:26 pm
Thanks Freising. The link was very helpful. I am just wondering that there was no place to fill which Clause no. in the form (it was just a page long form with anme, address etc) and so I still cant find why they rejected the application. But I will check that with Ausländerbhörde and post my findings here. Thanks again.
g24
Oct 19 2007, 12:39 pm
It just annoys me that all the documents and info I had to find an integration course were only in German!! Duh!
Someone missing the point somewhere.
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