thoughts? stories?
my bmi, body fat % etc are all fine and dandy, but ive always had a little bit more on my tummy than id like.
i'm pretty fit at the mo with rowing training so its not like im not spending enough time in the gym etc just can never ever lose this last bit. i know its the hardest part to lose is there, but id rather not have to get to that all over "hungry look" just to get rid of this.
discuss! cheers
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p.s. something that doesnt involve cutting down on beer is paramount. but i am willing to cut out chips entirely.
If you could cut out Bread, Pasta, Beer, Milk, Sweets and basically anything with more than 15g of Carbs per 100g/ml for a fortnight, you would shift the excess by forcing your body in to kintosis. I went on the Atkins in November and lost 15 Kilos, put around 7 back on again but that was due to christmas, back on it now since last Monday (10 days) and I've already dropped 6KG. If you're looking for quick, effective wieght loss this is the way to go, you'll lose it in days rather than months. Providing you watch what you eat and carry on with your sport you shouldn't put it back on again.
please please please stay away from the Akins diet!
i have spent the last two years doing research on the metabolic effects of the Atkins/ ketogenic diets and the last 8 year researching appetite regualtion and metabolic rate.
one the one hand yes - it leads to very good weight loss in the short-term, however, in the long-term the results are not so good.
we are just about to publish results on what happens when you revert back to an isocaloic low-fat diet after a period of the Atkins. bad news i'm afraid!
there are several metabolic consquences, in as much as weight gain is far more dramatic when you come of it. you get increased metabolic efficiency of the nutrients ingested. so calorie for calorie your body prefers to deposit the energy in stores as opposed to use it as a fuel. in addition we are seeing an increase in the number and size of fat cells - predisposing to further increased weight gain.
not to mention the degredation of lean body mass - thus reducing your metabolic rate even further.
yes - cut the carbs as low as you can, but replace the increase in fat with a higher protein intake and derive dietary fat from non-saturated food types. this way you keep insulin levels low (thus increasing fat use), hunger at bay (protein fills you up more) and you contribute to increased protein turnover (elevated metabolic rate) and are more likey to contribute to formation of lean body mass if you are undertaking any kind of physical activity.
sorry for going on and on - but its a topic v.close to my heart!
i have spent the last two years doing research on the metabolic effects of the Atkins/ ketogenic diets and the last 8 year researching appetite regualtion and metabolic rate.
one the one hand yes - it leads to very good weight loss in the short-term, however, in the long-term the results are not so good.
we are just about to publish results on what happens when you revert back to an isocaloic low-fat diet after a period of the Atkins. bad news i'm afraid!
there are several metabolic consquences, in as much as weight gain is far more dramatic when you come of it. you get increased metabolic efficiency of the nutrients ingested. so calorie for calorie your body prefers to deposit the energy in stores as opposed to use it as a fuel. in addition we are seeing an increase in the number and size of fat cells - predisposing to further increased weight gain.
not to mention the degredation of lean body mass - thus reducing your metabolic rate even further.
yes - cut the carbs as low as you can, but replace the increase in fat with a higher protein intake and derive dietary fat from non-saturated food types. this way you keep insulin levels low (thus increasing fat use), hunger at bay (protein fills you up more) and you contribute to increased protein turnover (elevated metabolic rate) and are more likey to contribute to formation of lean body mass if you are undertaking any kind of physical activity.
sorry for going on and on - but its a topic v.close to my heart!
I agree with the sam, but for purely unscientific reasons - dieting, whatever form it takes, just goes against our nature.
As for (y)our problem, I am also looking for a solution, have lost lots of weight through exercise but still have the old spare tire going (although it now fits a mountain bike rather than an SUV...
I think the `all things in moderation` approach is the best, and that philosophy should also apply to our expectations.
As for (y)our problem, I am also looking for a solution, have lost lots of weight through exercise but still have the old spare tire going (although it now fits a mountain bike rather than an SUV...
I think the `all things in moderation` approach is the best, and that philosophy should also apply to our expectations.
Cheers for the heads-up Samcaton, I can only go on my own accounts, It works for me, the weight came off quickly, my choleseral came down, my serum triglyceride levels came down and I felt great because my body was no longer dependent on carbs for an energy fix. For those adopting this approach, after the induction period the carb intake is increased daily until you find your maintenance level (The amount of Carb Intake you can consume without regaining fat). I think you'll find that if the dietary approach is followed to the letter it can be very beneficial, I visited my GP before and during the diet. It was during the diet that she told me to keep doing what I was doing as all my levels were spot on for a man of my age.
The booga booga surrounding this diet has been proven wrong over and over again, the biggest problem is that people assume that if you are doing the atkins, you can consume fatty foods constantly. Dr Atkins himself suggests introducing friendly carbs (the five-a-day approach) after the induction period.
I'd be grateful if you could provide me with links and or information to back up what you posted. Over the last five years most of the studies have proven quite the opposite.
the OP asked how he can shift a few problem pounds, a week or two of this approach will do the trick, he doesn't need to maintain the diet any time thereafter as long as he watches what he eats and continues to do his sport.
The real killers are modified starch and sugar products, not to mention anything with treated flour. Wholesome natural products are the cornerstone to any nutritional approach.
The booga booga surrounding this diet has been proven wrong over and over again, the biggest problem is that people assume that if you are doing the atkins, you can consume fatty foods constantly. Dr Atkins himself suggests introducing friendly carbs (the five-a-day approach) after the induction period.
I'd be grateful if you could provide me with links and or information to back up what you posted. Over the last five years most of the studies have proven quite the opposite.
the OP asked how he can shift a few problem pounds, a week or two of this approach will do the trick, he doesn't need to maintain the diet any time thereafter as long as he watches what he eats and continues to do his sport.
The real killers are modified starch and sugar products, not to mention anything with treated flour. Wholesome natural products are the cornerstone to any nutritional approach.
I think previous posts have missed the point: our fair Scottish rower does not need to lose weight overall, he just need to carry out a redistribution of the excesses located in the safety-belt area to other, less visible locations (at least when looking in the mirror).
for sure you are correct with regards to the short-term effects of the diet. and all current research can be found on pubMed.
the immediate/ short-term effects are great, improved lipid profiles etc etc... weight loss - all super!
but no study has gone beyond 6mths intervention - and follow-up at 12 months shows no beneficial aspects of the diet in the long-term. now, what we have done is gone above and beyond the current existing evidence to look at the effect on different hormone parameters, body composition and returning the diet back to a more "popular/ habitual" low fat diet that contains the same amount of energy... the effects are not so great. really.
but, this is just my opinion. and if it works for you then good on ya!
i just have a concern about the longer term consequences of the diet.
the immediate/ short-term effects are great, improved lipid profiles etc etc... weight loss - all super!
but no study has gone beyond 6mths intervention - and follow-up at 12 months shows no beneficial aspects of the diet in the long-term. now, what we have done is gone above and beyond the current existing evidence to look at the effect on different hormone parameters, body composition and returning the diet back to a more "popular/ habitual" low fat diet that contains the same amount of energy... the effects are not so great. really.
but, this is just my opinion. and if it works for you then good on ya!
i just have a concern about the longer term consequences of the diet.
Genie, i guess you're right.
in that case, eat a bit less, exercise a little bit more.
sounds simple, hard to do though! we all know that.
in that case, eat a bit less, exercise a little bit more.
sounds simple, hard to do though! we all know that.
i concurr
QUOTE (Schotte @ Feb 7 2007, 7:45 pm) 
p.s. something that doesnt involve cutting down on beer is paramount. but i am willing to cut out chips entirely.
Then I highly recommend in order to loose a few kilos in a very short time, cut your head off.
"I think previous posts have missed the point: our fair Scottish rower does not need to lose weight overall, he just need to carry out a redistribution of the excesses located in the safety-belt area to other, less visible locations (at least when looking in the mirror)."
The point is that he DOES need to lose weight all over, because all over IS the paunch. It's just a case of where you store it, and in men that is on the lower back, belly and between the internal organs, hence the belly. The ONLY real solution is a lowered calorie intake (EDIT: Surplus...) and balanced diet.
The point is that he DOES need to lose weight all over, because all over IS the paunch. It's just a case of where you store it, and in men that is on the lower back, belly and between the internal organs, hence the belly. The ONLY real solution is a lowered calorie intake (EDIT: Surplus...) and balanced diet.
Well, if Schotte's BMI is in the hottie range, I guess this means he'd have turn to the blubber-->muscle conversion. So Piruelo, I think your solution wouldn't necessarily work (he'll lose weight that way, but that's not necessarily what he'd want). I'd say the key is more muci-pumping.
Some good advice here (bad news on the beer front, though):
QUOTE (jca @ Nov 3 2006, 4:26 pm)
Most reasonably fit people have good ab muscles, they're just hidden behind a layer of fat. A low carb diet is the way to go as has been said. The problem is that most people don't really know what that means.
There are the obvious foods to avoid, such as bread, pasta, rice, beer, etc. Not so obvious is that a lot of fruits and vegetibles are very high-carb due to their sugar content. As far as your body is concerned, sugar is sugar, whether it comes from a packet, or an orange. I'm not saying you should exclude fruits and vegetables from your diet, but if you're trying to lose fat rapidly you need to dramatically limit the consumption of some of the sweeter ones. If you can stick to this for three weeks, you'll be amazed at the progress you can make. Once you've lost the fat that you want, then you can start adding some of the 'bad' foods back into your diet until you find your equilibrium point in terms of carb/sugar intake.
Another part of a good low-carb diet is fiber. You need to consume adequate fiber b/c it slows the digestive process, giving your body a longer period in which to digest the carbs that you do consume. Otherwise, excess, non-digested food just turns to fat.
So foods to avoid:
any white food (except cheeses and non-sweatened yogurt)
sweet fruits/vegetables (ie oranges, grapes, carrots, etc)
alchohol in any form
sugar (equal/sweet-n-low is ok)
fruit juices (big time source of sugar)
soft drinks (obviously)
caffiene
Foods in include:
chicken, lean fish/beef/pork
eggs
lettuce
non-sweet veggies
yogurt (non-sweetened, you can flavor w/ a big of equal and some lime juice)
nuts (almonds in particular)
cheeses
A final part of the puzzle is the jump start your metabolism. You do this by eating frequently. I know it seems counter-intuitive, but you're trying to get your metabolism pumping the entire day, rather than just a few hours around meal-times. So try to get in at least 5 smaller meals every day, starting w/ breakfast, as soon as you wake up. You might find you're actually consuming more food in the course of the day then you do now. That's ok, it's more about when and what you eat, than the gross quantity.
A good workout program will compliment your dieting as well. I work abs directly about 10 minutes every two days, and that's more than enough to maintain a washboard stomach as long as your diet is good.
There are the obvious foods to avoid, such as bread, pasta, rice, beer, etc. Not so obvious is that a lot of fruits and vegetibles are very high-carb due to their sugar content. As far as your body is concerned, sugar is sugar, whether it comes from a packet, or an orange. I'm not saying you should exclude fruits and vegetables from your diet, but if you're trying to lose fat rapidly you need to dramatically limit the consumption of some of the sweeter ones. If you can stick to this for three weeks, you'll be amazed at the progress you can make. Once you've lost the fat that you want, then you can start adding some of the 'bad' foods back into your diet until you find your equilibrium point in terms of carb/sugar intake.
Another part of a good low-carb diet is fiber. You need to consume adequate fiber b/c it slows the digestive process, giving your body a longer period in which to digest the carbs that you do consume. Otherwise, excess, non-digested food just turns to fat.
So foods to avoid:
any white food (except cheeses and non-sweatened yogurt)
sweet fruits/vegetables (ie oranges, grapes, carrots, etc)
alchohol in any form
sugar (equal/sweet-n-low is ok)
fruit juices (big time source of sugar)
soft drinks (obviously)
caffiene
Foods in include:
chicken, lean fish/beef/pork
eggs
lettuce
non-sweet veggies
yogurt (non-sweetened, you can flavor w/ a big of equal and some lime juice)
nuts (almonds in particular)
cheeses
A final part of the puzzle is the jump start your metabolism. You do this by eating frequently. I know it seems counter-intuitive, but you're trying to get your metabolism pumping the entire day, rather than just a few hours around meal-times. So try to get in at least 5 smaller meals every day, starting w/ breakfast, as soon as you wake up. You might find you're actually consuming more food in the course of the day then you do now. That's ok, it's more about when and what you eat, than the gross quantity.
A good workout program will compliment your dieting as well. I work abs directly about 10 minutes every two days, and that's more than enough to maintain a washboard stomach as long as your diet is good.
plastic surgery! Fast and effective.
Sorry, but when the Foods to Avoid column includes carrots, well, if that is not a red flag...
Carm, agree with the lipo thing, it would do the trick, but have always looked at it as cheating (never mind the dangers associated with any form of surgery).
Personally I will keep exercising and eating carrots and put up with a little extra around the middle.
Carm, agree with the lipo thing, it would do the trick, but have always looked at it as cheating (never mind the dangers associated with any form of surgery).
Personally I will keep exercising and eating carrots and put up with a little extra around the middle.
Soooo...bacon and Eggs is fine then
According to the Atkins folks you can eat as much bacon and eggs and steak and chicken etc as you want. Just stay away from the bread and OJ. And carrots.
QUOTE (djgrazy @ Feb 7 2007, 8:45 pm)
Cheers for the heads-up Samcaton, I can only go on my own accounts, It works for me, the weight came off quickly, my choleseral came down, my serum triglyceride levels came down and I felt great because my body was no longer dependent on carbs for an energy fix.
Haha, that's hilarious. When the world's most respected bodies tell us what happened on 9/11 you think they're part of some enormous cover-up, but when some quack tells you not to eat chicken or whatever it is, you swallow it hook, line and sinker!
Anyway, to lose weight around the stomach, sit-ups are best. Diets are for women.
Only one way...running & more runing! Forget diets
QUOTE (samcaton @ Feb 7 2007, 8:20 pm)
i have spent the last two years doing research
Is there a bad dog in the house? Diets occupy the same level in the thread chain as reiki do they not.
Diets are like religions, work for some, hover on the outside of efficacy for most but don't tend to deliver results. Personally, as rule of thumb, don't eat crap, cycle a bike and laugh when you're not meant to. And drink as much beer as you like because the patented beer belly is a myth, it may as well be a side product of not moving - which beer tends to make you not do. Not move. Contradiction in terns. So shoot the next seagull you see floating above the harbour over ze wave.
Btw, according to the Big Book Of Guinness Propaganda or The Book Of Guinness Advertising for those of us who paid for it, Guinness has circa 80 calories whereas beer has a median of 180.
So, to recap, diets are arse. Ad hominem.
there is no method for loosing weight at specific body parts. this is genetic (the same you can't decide where to gain weight) - so probably your tummy is your most resisting part for weight loss.
if you want to continue general weight loss, there needs to be a negative energy balance: less intake, more burning/loss. the balance shouldn't be too negative in order to avoid the rebound effect. if do only diet or only workout, it might not be enough. if you only diet and don't do any workout, you will first loose your muscles.
There is no specific workout for loosing weight, cardio-training at a low heart rate allows you to go on for hours (but you will not burn as much per minute compared to high impact workout), high intensity training like doing weights with few repetitions and maximum weights will built up more muscles, which also burn more calories while at rest
you can of course shape your body by building up specific muscles (but the six-pack won't help if it's covered by body-fat), then also your tissue/skin needs to tighten, which depends mainly on age and genetics, maybe some treatments also might help (like massages, cold/hot showers, cremes etc).
but, as a lot of women who have children know, it's not always possible to completely gain back your old shape. though with some discipline, a lot can be achieved.
good luck.
if you want to continue general weight loss, there needs to be a negative energy balance: less intake, more burning/loss. the balance shouldn't be too negative in order to avoid the rebound effect. if do only diet or only workout, it might not be enough. if you only diet and don't do any workout, you will first loose your muscles.
There is no specific workout for loosing weight, cardio-training at a low heart rate allows you to go on for hours (but you will not burn as much per minute compared to high impact workout), high intensity training like doing weights with few repetitions and maximum weights will built up more muscles, which also burn more calories while at rest
you can of course shape your body by building up specific muscles (but the six-pack won't help if it's covered by body-fat), then also your tissue/skin needs to tighten, which depends mainly on age and genetics, maybe some treatments also might help (like massages, cold/hot showers, cremes etc).
but, as a lot of women who have children know, it's not always possible to completely gain back your old shape. though with some discipline, a lot can be achieved.
good luck.
QUOTE (Small Town Boy @ Feb 8 2007, 12:41 am)
Haha, that's hilarious. When the world's most respected bodies tell us what happened on 9/11 you think they're part of some enormous cover-up, but when some quack tells you not to eat chicken or whatever it is, you swallow it hook, line and sinker!
What a muppet, a twenty something cockney w****r that thinks he knows it all. Which of the "world's most respected bodies " are you talking about? Popular Mechanics? The Daily Sport? The Bild?
Dr. Atkins was considered a quack around Ten years ago until medical sceince couldn't prove that his nutritional approach was bad for you and actually did what it said on the tin as well as Reducing cholesterol and blood sugar levels. I think you'll find that the world has moved on a little and opinions have changed since you reached puberty a few years back.
Hopefully this will make things a little clearer...why don't you get to Tom & Huck, shut your North & South, stop sticking your Gregory Peck in where it's not needed, and start posting the things that really matter to you, like "Where to get Jellied Eels in Freising?" you little immature James Blunt.
As for one who is in the Spa industry, i personally feels that massage is good for temporary weight lose (removal of waste & water retention) due to the massage effect. It is more of a Yo Yo effect. Nowadays modern Spa uses more than just human hands for massage, they use sophiscated and expensive machine for that expensive Yo yo effect weight lost.
Drink tea prior a heavy meal for the best effect. Most of us normally thought that drinking tea after meal is better however it is not the correct way. Green tea is the best!
Now i am playing badminton and after some months of playing twice a week, i have realised that i had lost a few kgs. This kind of sports is wonderful for someone who wanna trim their tummy. i especially enjoy that when smashing the shuttle cock on my opponents.
Drink tea prior a heavy meal for the best effect. Most of us normally thought that drinking tea after meal is better however it is not the correct way. Green tea is the best!
Now i am playing badminton and after some months of playing twice a week, i have realised that i had lost a few kgs. This kind of sports is wonderful for someone who wanna trim their tummy. i especially enjoy that when smashing the shuttle cock on my opponents.
Eat less, excercise more.
Sounds like you just need to tone up. Try pilates - its great for working on the deeper muscles, especially in that area. But make sure you go regularly to get the benefit.
So you want to get rid of your beer belly without cutting out the beer? Right... good luck to you.
A Max Planck story.
QUOTE (zee @ Feb 8 2007, 12:11 am)
there is no method for loosing weight at specific body parts.
Well, you can cut them off (but otherwise yes, you cannot spot-reduce but you can indeed spot-tone - just like you said).
QUOTE (Dafydd @ Feb 8 2007, 3:59 am)
Eat less, excercise more.
Sadly, this actually works.
Even eating the same and exercising more helps.
And remember, you're a cheaper date when you eat less - fewer beers go further.
QUOTE (fartonmeballs @ Feb 8 2007, 12:41 am)
Only one way...running & more runing! Forget diets
Nope, that's cardiovascular. Your heartrate is too high, your body needs a quick energy supply and as a result you will just burn muscle glycogen and not fat.
Do something that will raise your heartrate a little (like gentle cycling) to burn fat as opposed to glycogen. And do it in the morning before breakfast when your body will preferentially burn fat (due to you not having eaten for a while and your muscle glycogen levels being low, your body will preferentially burn the "long term" energy stores i.e. your flabby gut).
QUOTE (Beg Tets @ Feb 8 2007, 8:56 am)
Nope, that's cardiovascular. Your heartrate is too high, your body needs a quick energy supply and as a result you will just burn muscle glycogen and not fat.
Correct, as far as it goes. However, the body likes to maintain muscle glycogen levels so they will be replenished. The energy has to come from somewhere, and if you eat the same amount it will come from the body's energy reserves i.e. fat.
Hmm, maybe I should try this Atkins thing after all; it seems to do wonders for anger management...
QUOTE (fartonmeballs @ Feb 7 2007, 11:41 pm)
Only one way...running & more runing! Forget diets
I have to concur with this one. WHen was the last time you saw your average jogger (of course faithful to jogging) with a paunch? Also whilst walking, sitting or pretty much any activity, try to concentrate and 'pull in' your abs. You will be training them to stay taut and not want to push the other way
~Oma~
QUOTE (Beg Tets @ Feb 8 2007, 8:56 am)
Nope, that's cardiovascular. Your heartrate is too high, your body needs a quick energy supply and as a result you will just burn muscle glycogen and not fat.
Maybe he should have said jogging instead of running. If your heart rate is kept at a moderate level (as it should be with recreational jogging) you will lose weight.
I used to tip the scales at close to 240 lbs. I am now 185 lbs. No fad diets, no diets period. Jogging and thinking about what I eat are enough. And it took some years to get where I am, certainly not months or weeks.
But I still have that spare tire and probably always will.
QUOTE (Punchbear @ Feb 7 2007, 11:59 pm)
Is there a bad dog in the house? Diets occupy the same level in the thread chain as reiki do they not.
Diets are like religions, work for some, hover on the outside of efficacy for most but don't tend to deliver results. Personally, as rule of thumb, don't eat crap, cycle a bike and laugh when you're not meant to. And drink as much beer as you like because the patented beer belly is a myth, it may as well be a side product of not moving - which beer tends to make you not do. Not move. Contradiction in terns. So shoot the next seagull you see floating above the harbour over ze wave.
Btw, according to the Big Book Of Guinness Propaganda or The Book Of Guinness Advertising for those of us who paid for it, Guinness has circa 80 calories whereas beer has a median of 180.
So, to recap, diets are arse. Ad hominem.
Diets are like religions, work for some, hover on the outside of efficacy for most but don't tend to deliver results. Personally, as rule of thumb, don't eat crap, cycle a bike and laugh when you're not meant to. And drink as much beer as you like because the patented beer belly is a myth, it may as well be a side product of not moving - which beer tends to make you not do. Not move. Contradiction in terns. So shoot the next seagull you see floating above the harbour over ze wave.
Btw, according to the Big Book Of Guinness Propaganda or The Book Of Guinness Advertising for those of us who paid for it, Guinness has circa 80 calories whereas beer has a median of 180.
So, to recap, diets are arse. Ad hominem.
haha... wish i was devoting my life to the "science of reiki"
FYI. look at the literature re: the stimulation of food intake by alcohol. still drink as much beer as you like, Uh?
diets may be arse for those who have BMI of less than 30. i agree with this - eat less move, more is the answer. and i say it again and again, if only life was so simple (well if it was, i'd be out of a job, so...)
swimming will turn your flabs into abs, worked for me.
or lots of yoga/pilates, you can pick up DVDs to use at home quite cheaply.
or lots of yoga/pilates, you can pick up DVDs to use at home quite cheaply.
QUOTE (Beg Tets @ Feb 8 2007, 8:56 am)
Do something that will raise your heartrate a little (like gentle cycling) to burn fat as opposed to glycogen. And do it in the morning before breakfast when your body will preferentially burn fat (due to you not having eaten for a while and your muscle glycogen levels being low, your body will preferentially burn the "long term" energy stores i.e. your flabby gut).
doesn't seem to be working for me I know it is supposed to but my belly is very resilient. I have trimmed down my legs considerably but can't shift the fat round my waste despite cycling 7km to work each morning before having breakfast.
OG, that probably does not take you any more than 15 or 20 minutes, right? Now if you were to walk every day, at least one way, it would take you just over an hour (I walk quickly at 6 km per hour) and you would absolutely see results in a month. If you did it back and forth every day you would be in great shape by summer. Now, if you walked to work and jogged home, look out killer...
7km in 15 mins? can you seriously cycle at an average speed of nearly 30km/h? I can't.
that's coz of your gut...
QUOTE (Oma Stelzbok @ Feb 8 2007, 10:06 am)
I have to concur with this one. WHen was the last time you saw your average jogger (of course faithful to jogging) with a paunch? Also whilst walking, sitting or pretty much any activity, try to concentrate and 'pull in' your abs. You will be training them to stay taut and not want to push the other way
~Oma~
~Oma~
QUOTE (Ratbert @ Feb 8 2007, 10:59 am)
OG, that probably does not take you any more than 15 or 20 minutes, right? Now if you were to walk every day, at least one way, it would take you just over an hour (I walk quickly at 6 km per hour) and you would absolutely see results in a month. If you did it back and forth every day you would be in great shape by summer. Now, if you walked to work and jogged home, look out killer...
best things i heard (read!) today!
QUOTE (Lassie @ Feb 8 2007, 11:04 am)
that's coz of your gut...
true. it keeps banging against my knees whilst pedalling.
QUOTE (Oma Stelzbok @ Feb 8 2007, 10:06 am)
I have to concur with this one. WHen was the last time you saw your average jogger (of course faithful to jogging) with a paunch? Also whilst walking, sitting or pretty much any activity, try to concentrate and 'pull in' your abs. You will be training them to stay taut and not want to push the other way
~Oma~
~Oma~
Your shitting me? In Germany? In Bavaria? Joggers in Lederhosen with Bierbäuchlein und Bierflasche abound
QUOTE (Owain Glyndwr @ Feb 8 2007, 11:40 am)
doesn't seem to be working for me I know it is supposed to but my belly is very resilient. I have trimmed down my legs considerably but can't shift the fat round my waste despite cycling 7km to work each morning before having breakfast.
Oh well, maybe your just destined or genetically predisposed to be a fatty. Have another pie.
I'm happy this thread has veered clear of the Atkins nonsense. Here's an open-access review about the subject (yay Pubmed!). From the abstract:
QUOTE
Surprisingly, trials have only appeared over the past 3–4 years evaluating the effects of the Atkins diet, and these have shown weight loss benefits at 6 months, but the benefit is lost by 12 months. Adherence to this regimen is difficult. Problems include constipation from the relatively low fibre intake and a less than expected rise in LDL cholesterol.
QUOTE (Ratbert @ Feb 8 2007, 10:11 am)
Maybe he should have said jogging instead of running. If your heart rate is kept at a moderate level (as it should be with recreational jogging) you will lose weight...
that is the clue. my problem with jogging was, i would jog so slow, I felt I was going backwards and my pulse was still over 150! only after jogging regularly and slowly for nearly 2 months, did i get it down to the lowest at 143. it did wonders for my condition, but i didn't lose any weight. granted, i only wanted to lose a few kilos. i don't jog anymore. i go to the fitness club and do a mix of everything to keep me from getting bored.
QUOTE (Beg Tets @ Feb 8 2007, 1:18 pm)
Oh well, maybe your just destined or genetically predisposed to be a fatty. Have another pie.
poor OG i do remember after one bike road though how you engorged a curry wurst (but that was loooooooooooonng ago).
QUOTE (Janx Spirit @ Feb 8 2007, 11:07 am)
Your shitting me? In Germany? In Bavaria? Joggers in Lederhosen with Bierbäuchlein und Bierflasche abound
Actually that sounds hot! Just as long as there is no spilling of course. Have to keep hydrated!
It's a flipping struggle. I am going for the "serious" exercise gig but its damn slow to make progress. I do a 6,000 metre row in the morning (about 24 mins) before breakfast, then either swim (40/50 lengths) or gym as well 5 days a week. So that is 2 sessions a day. Still a fat git. Shit. My resting pulse is nice and low so I think I am probably a finely tuned athlete wrapped in a protective wrapper of fat. Kinda like a TT Polar Bear.
@JE, pretend you're in training for some highaltitude climbs. The insulation could be lifesaving.
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Feb 8 2007, 2:28 pm)
It's a flipping struggle. I am going for the "serious" exercise gig but its damn slow to make progress. I do a 6,000 metre row in the morning (about 24 mins) before breakfast, then either swim (40/50 lengths) or gym as well 5 days a week. So that is 2 sessions a day. Still a fat git. Shit. ...
what's your diet like? i cannot imagine you not being thin as a rail! didn't you start a thread once about your progress. no, that was 2006 wasn't it?
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