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Norovirus has hit Munich

Time to stock up on medication
sarabyrd
According to today's Süddeutsche Zeitung the virus has now hit Munich. The registered caseload in January was 200% higher at 344 cases than the total first quarter of 2006. More than half of the cases, however, occurred in rest homes, kindergartens and other communal facilities.

QUOTE(Süddeutsche)
In München sind die Januarzahlen allein genauso hoch wie die des gesamten ersten Quartals 2006 - ein Indiz dafür, dass die jährlich zwischen Oktober und März wiederkehrende Welle von Infektionen in dieser Saison womöglich deutlich größer ausfallen könnte als in den Jahren zuvor.

You cannot protect yourself against this virus, you can only adhere to strict hygenic standards and hope that others do as well. The only dangerous aspect of a norovirus attack is dehydration by vomiting and diarrhoea, so stock up on active carbon and electrolyte drinks.

See also the earlier TT topic: Norovirus epidemic possible in Germany
HellesAngel
... and never be more than two minutes away from a toilet. These types of virus are for the vast majority just an inconvenience, and at worst an embarassing inconvenience as they can strike very quickly with very little warning. No cause to panic though. Not like bird flu was, eh.
Renia
Oh no, not again. I couldn't take it after last time!
gills
It hits fast, and it's violent. I had it this past weekend, and now it's my husband's turn. Mine lasted about 48 hours, his seems to be taking longer, poor guy.
sarabyrd
QUOTE(Renia @ Feb 1 2007, 8:33 am) *
Oh no, not again. I couldn't take it after last time!

... and you are not immune to it after having had it once. Sorry, honey.
HellesAngel
But it get's better with practice...

In my experience these things seem to affect men worse than women, which sounds illogical, but that's how it seems to happen. Twice I've had the pleasure of playing host to a virus and the first time I transported it to a party of ten people and only the men came down with it, all the girls were fine. Last time I had one Mrs Angel didn't catch it from me, despite us being together over night. She had no symptoms, I was glued to the potty for 24 hours.
GreenDave
Two of my housemates have it. I hope I am not next!
Pirulero
Hah, you blatantly are !

And as for 'hitting' Munich...it's been round for ages, just doing the rounds, as a virus does, it's nothing new...(I'm still sure it was the British contingent at the World Cup media centre that brought over the big surge there was in summer...diry buggers smile.gif)
Dan Gleebitz
Good way to lose some weight ... overcomes will power

Didn't bother me .. I don't have a weak stomach .. I can throw it as far as any one else.
Small Town Boy
Bollocks, my housemate's just come down with this; is it too late to check into a hotel?
jimi-in-toytown
QUOTE(Pirulero @ Feb 10 2007, 2:42 pm) *
Hah, you blatantly are !

And as for 'hitting' Munich...it's been round for ages, just doing the rounds, as a virus does, it's nothing new...(I'm still sure it was the British contingent at the World Cup media centre that brought over the big surge there was in summer...diry buggers )

Charming coming from a rock dweller!!! Smelly apes stealing cameras and things! only joking I used to live there 92-93.

Jimi ph34r.gif
sarabyrd
QUOTE(Small Town Boy @ Feb 11 2007, 8:10 pm) *
Bollocks, my housemate's just come down with this; is it too late to check into a hotel?

Yep. This virus is highly contagious and has a long life span on inanimate objects.
Wibble
Well at least it will give people another reason for taking days off, along with draughts from having a window open, air conditioning, the Föhn, colds, flu, sneezing, allergies, problems due to the mild weather and probably any other reason that can possibly be thought of. Hopefulyl it means my office will be quiet as the amount of days sick leave people seem to take in this country is staggering.
Small Town Boy
QUOTE(sarabyrd @ Feb 12 2007, 9:13 am) *
Yep. This virus is highly contagious and has a long life span on inanimate objects.

Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks. It must be bad enough being ill with this virus; knowing you're going to be ill with it just prolongs the agony. sad.gif
Pirulero
Don't worry THAT much, I've been around sufferers a bunch of timesand not got it (that said, I HAVE had it twice...).

I think Sarabyrd is the official curator of the Noro fan club smile.gif you purveyor of doom, you...
sarabyrd
Forewarned is forearmed. The more I read about this the worse I feel but up to now it has worked as a deterrent.
Beer-Monster
I think I had something similar last year. Very, very nasty. My temperature was way up, vomitting, and then passing out. I'm a fit person, so for me to pass out it must have been bad. It put me in hospital for the evening having stitches for a cut eye.

Nasty...
Pirulero
I think you had something else...could well be wrong, but I don't think it gives you a temperature...you prob had food poisoning or something...
3 Lions
Damn...Damn, Damn, Damn. Either I've cooked really bad food...and I'm a good cook, oder! unsure.gif
Crawlie
If you cooked dodgy food then you will be getting the shits more than anything, unless you tried that making that dodgy Sushi with Tengelmann fish again... wink.gif
sarabyrd
For the first time in ten years, a Munich school has been closed due to an infectious disease. Over 100 of the 260 pupils are down with a noroviral infection, the school will be disinfected and will re-open tomorrow. Some of the children have been through three bouts of illness as they would return to school only to re-infect themselves.

QUOTE
Die Astrid-Lindgren-Grundschule in der Münchner Messestadt Riem bleibt bis Dienstag geschlossen. Grund: Viele der 260 Schüler sind an einer hochansteckenden Magen-Darm-Infektion erkrankt. Stuhlproben der Schüler werden derzeit auf das Norovirus untersucht. Experten desinfizieren sämtliche Räume des Schulzentrums an der Astrid-Lindgren-Straße.
Source: Bayerischer Rundfunk Nachrichten

Various day-care centers are also closed, others are under observation.

QUOTE
Doch das Schulzentrum ist nicht die einzige Einrichtung, in der sich der hochansteckende Noro-Virus rasant ausgebreitet hat. Auch sechs Münchner Kindertagesstätten sind inzwischen betroffen. Zwei davon, eine ebenfalls an der Astrid-Lindgren-Straße, die andere am Lily-Braun-Weg, sind bereits geschlossen, sagt Eva-Maria Volland, Sprecherin des Schulreferats. In den vier anderen Einrichtungen werde die Situation noch beobachtet. (from the quoted article)

I assume that one of my co-workers has caught this, she has been ill since Friday. And I am hoping with all my might that she has not left any traces of this behind as another co-worker is pregnant and really doesn't need this kind of complication.
Renia
Oh no!! We all had this this exact time last year sad.gif(
Small Town Boy
QUOTE(Small Town Boy @ Feb 11 2007, 8:10 pm) *
Bollocks, my housemate's just come down with this; is it too late to check into a hotel?

My housemate has got this AGAIN. She keeps going to visit her nieces, who I'm sure are absolutely wonderful but they're obviously also completely disease-ridden.

Until 12 months ago, I was largely unaffected by all these viruses, because I work from home and don't mix with children. In the space of barely a year, I've gained a housemate who keeps bringing diseases back from her nieces, a friend of mine gave birth to a kid who now goes to baby groups and another friend's fiancée has turned up and started working in a school. So my immune system is now being assaulted from three different directions. Friends? Who needs 'em?! I'm going to lock myself in my room for the winter and arrange for food parcels to be delivered through my window.

I didn't catch it off my housemate last time, so I'm hoping my luck holds out this time as well.
Mariposa
I hope I don't catch this when I go back to Munich! I have my first of five exams two days after I am supposed to fly back to Barcelona so I have no time for being sick. (And my mom works with school kids.)
Hutcho
QUOTE(sarabyrd @ Dec 11 2007, 10:42 am) *
Some of the children have been through three bouts of illness as they would return to school only to re-infect themselves.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I thought with viruses like this, that once you got over them, you are then immune to catching them again?
sarabyrd
QUOTE
Immunity to Norovirus

Mechanisms of immunity to norovirus are unclear. It appears that immunity may be strain-specific and lasts only a few months; therefore, given the genetic variability of noroviruses, individuals are likely to be repeatedly infected throughout their lifetimes. This may explain the high attack rates in all ages reported in outbreaks. Recent evidence also suggests that susceptibility to infection may be genetically determined, with people of blood group O being at greatest risk for severe infection.

from the link in the other thread
Hutcho
That explains it - thanks for the clarification!
sarabyrd
845 cases and still counting. Now it has spread to hospitals and retirement homes. Experts are estimating that more than twice as many cases than last year will be registered.

QUOTE
Bei insgesamt 845 Personen sei die äußerst unangenehme Infektion ausgebrochen. Die Zahl der Erkrankten dürfte somit mehr als doppelt so hoch liegen wie im Vorjahr, als 1240 Kinder und Erwachsene in München betroffen waren. "Wir haben mittlerweile aufgehört zu zählen", sagte eine Sprecherin des Gesundheitsreferates.

My latest piece of advice: Don't get hospitalized or grow old for the next few weeks.
P.S. My co-worker did not have it, it was some other virulent bug.
HellesAngel
The most effective way to prevent transmission of this is simply to wash your hands before eating or chewing your finger nails as the most common cause of infection is the charmingly named 'fecal-oral' route.
triumph bob
QUOTE(HellesAngel @ Dec 13 2007, 1:55 pm) *
The most effective way to prevent transmission of this is simply to wash your hands before eating or chewing your finger nails as the most common cause of infection is the charmingly named 'fecal-oral' route.

Which for some reason makes me think of the reivew for the Spinal Tap album 'Shark Sandwich'
sarabyrd
Scogs is down with this sad.gif I have rarely seen anyone feeling so miserable but trying to bear up. He got banished to the spare room as it is closer to the bathroom and most of all there is no steep, twisting stair to negotiate.
Small Town Boy
I managed to avoid picking it up off my housemate again. It may have been a different bug rather than the Novovirus. But that's a moot point when your head's down the toilet.
HEM
Something like this got me in the evening of my second day in the US (Denver area). I put it down to food poisoning but may have been wrong. Two nights & one full day at death's door (an that whilst in a hotel) and then I was 98% fit the day after...
bluedave
4 days and counting sad.gif
Scogs
QUOTE(Scogs @ Dec 24 2007, 12:21 am) *
Bad news it has arrived! I have had it for last few days, and at least 3 other TTers and lots of work people...Sarabyrd ...the topic starter is now trying to make grooves in the carpet between the bedroom and the loo as she "runs" back and forward occasionally stopping to grab a fresh bucket on the way.

but the good thing is it does give the stomach muscles a serious work out, I am over strain of seeing if I can projectile vomit enough to hit the far wall of the bedroom or hit the bucket from 20 feet, but god it bloody hurts to sneeze, its not the best way of trying to get a six pack

posted in an older topic, I didnt see the new one
Scogs
PS sara is now in the spare room as it is closer to the Loo
sarabyrd
Luckily, I only had an upset stomach, not the virus. Off to cook a huge Christmas dinner.
gopher
Every one in my family -- including out of town guests -- has fallen victim to this virus in the last 3 days. Merry Xmas and Happy New Year!
Tim Hortons Man
there's been a weird virus going around here too, much like the stomach flu but without all the usual symptoms, most common complaint is feeling very very bloated, sometimes followed by at the least very bad and smelly gas at worse disgusting diarrhea (worse you've ever seen) What's really strange unlike most flus your not bedridden, simply not hungry. Dairy products also cause really bad reactions, I had a yogurt last night and I've been suffering the effects all day. It took my wife about a week to get her appetite back, a friend had her young son go 5 days without eating and I haven't been hungry either since I got hit, but I can eat (sort of), just not any dairy products.
pranaman
This sounds similar to what I have now...
Day 1 (thurs) - felt very tired, everything in slow motion, loss of appetite
Day 2 (yesterday) - felt 'normal' but still loss of appetite, then 'sudden' onset of symptoms described above following milk and ice cream
Day 3 (today) - little appetite, tummy feels touch and go but no emergency trips thus far and staying away from dairy for the time being
I've been taking my temp the whole time, and despite feeling feverish, I've been at 37C throughout. I had the norwalk virus exactly 1 year ago following a trip back to canuckland, but it came and went within 36 hrs with very heavy symptoms. This feels very different.
HellesAngel
It seems someone took it on holiday to the UK with them.
kathie
30 weeks pregnant and have managed to come down with this...
sarabyrd
Oh dear! Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate but ask your gyn about electrolytes.
kathie
Thanks SB, I did, and if I'm no better by tomorrow I can go in for an infusion *joy*... I'm currently trying Powerade.
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