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Police raid at The Garden nightclub
All guests subjected to thorough search
Does anyone know what's happening at the Garden this evening? I just went towards the Poccistraße U-Bahn station and the whole area is blocked off. Police cars and two large police vehicles blocking the street. Drugs raid?
So nobody knows what happened?
A man on the radio said that someone had reported an illegally parked bicycle. Still waiting for that to be formally confirmed as the reason, so don't take my word for it.
There are also rumours that some hooligans were riding their bicycles on the wrong bicycle lane. I hope these thugs get caught.
I heard that someone had failed to clear the snow off the path outside their house and the schneeberäumungsnotfallinspectoratsgenossenschaft were closing in on the culprit.
I can confirm that the exercise was a success and the culprit has handed back his Library book which was 10 days overdue.
A large number of officers were involved. The entire area was sealed off and all party goers were subject to a full body search before being allowed to leave. Waiting times were up to three hours.
19 people were detained, among them three for drug dealing. Hundreds of Euros were confiscated - believed to be proceeds from drug deals - along with various drugs in tablet and liquid form. And twelve minors were picked up for being out after midnight.
Further info in German: Drogenrazzia in Discothek in der Isarvorstadt
See a short video clip from the raid: Razzia im TheGarden
Such raids occur in Munich about once or twice a year. See previous TT topics: May 2004, Dec 2004, Mar 2005, and May 2005.
That's sad, I preferred the 'Riot police in body armour secure dangerous icy pavement' headline.
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Jan 29 2007, 10:11 am) 
I think the days of the Garden, or at least the present landlord, are numbered.
Sarabyrd, that could well be the case, but if so, more because of the underage people who'd not been checked for ID than the other people who smuggled drugs in. The trouble really starts when you get underage people with drugs on the premises.
Here's a pic live from the Razzia:
Fortunately I wasn't there, but a lot of disgruntled people had to wait nearly 3 hours for an ass-inspection.
And here's a little youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmjkDzasck4
Hasn't been a razzia for a while in Muc and there was some talk last summer of one happening in Wiesn, so I guess it was due sooner or later.
so, can they really strip search you when they raid a club like that, or was the ass-inspection comment in jest? i go to a lot of clubs in munich & the idea of getting strip searched just cos people around me happen to be a little 'happy' is really not doing it for me
If that were true RocketGirl, and the photo above was a caption competition then I'd go for 'You've all been issued with your vaseline now bend over and relax'
So DJ Polizeimeister P is not just in the house but up your heister ?
RocketGirl, they certainly can. It was a full cavity search for everyone in the whole club, including staff etc. Some people were made to wait naked in a freezing police bus. Welcome to the Beckstein era...
Ah, yes, you can see that guy on the right has the 'search tool' tucked in his belt.
'scuse my language, but fucking hell, that's outrageous. i was sure i'd seen a thread somewhere else talking about strip searching after a club raid. makes you think twice about going out partying. they all look suspiciously happy in those photos though... or maybe they're the 'happy' ones...
The two lads in dark blue/black look seriously pissed off that somebody else wore exactly the same outfit.
Got a reference for that Wundertüte? Full cavity is very different to a strip search.
hmm no sorry Wheel. It was standard "torch in the crack" job I think. So perhaps not a "full-cavity", but embarassing enough!!!
So the pills of choice to take clubbing these days are clearly high strength instant action laxative tablets. Some bastard krout pig wants to fiddle with my arse, he's gonna get a pebbledashing.
Wundertüte, yep, that's quite bad enough.
QUOTE (RocketGirl @ Jan 29 2007, 12:13 pm)
can they really strip search you when they raid a club like that
how do you expect the police to find out? trust your word? this procedure is normal for drug raids all over the world.
Not in the UK. They are normally after the dealers so they make some purchases in the weeks before, then go in and nick them and use dogs to check the rest. Mass strip searches do not happen. I've been in a few clubs that were raided and have never even been looked at by the Police.
Whether it's 'normal' or not, I still find it more than a little disturbing - it's not as if everyone in the club was caught queuing up with money in their hand, waiting to buy it off a guy carrying a big bag saying 'drugs'. What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty', or Rechtsstaat?
I mean, let's be sure we get everyone and seal off the whole city. No-one goes anywhere until they've beenhumiliated searched. Better still, do the whole country.
I mean, let's be sure we get everyone and seal off the whole city. No-one goes anywhere until they've been
Small price to pay for a ridiculously safe city. Tough shit
a story which happened to friend:
in malaysia, the police is standing next to you waiting for you to pee to get a sample. and if anything is wrong (even if it is legal stuff ie medication) and you don't have a proof on you (which is unlikely), you end up in jail for the night unless your friends can get there and afford the bail. and if you are really unlucky and it is a friday night, you have to wait in jail till monday until the court opens.
in malaysia, the police is standing next to you waiting for you to pee to get a sample. and if anything is wrong (even if it is legal stuff ie medication) and you don't have a proof on you (which is unlikely), you end up in jail for the night unless your friends can get there and afford the bail. and if you are really unlucky and it is a friday night, you have to wait in jail till monday until the court opens.
QUOTE (parnell @ Jan 29 2007, 12:16 pm)
Small price to pay for a ridiculously safe city. Tough shit
Couldn't agree more. People always get up in arms when the cops here do something like that. What you don't hear them talking about is the fact that you can pretty much go anywhere in Munich at any time of the day or night and feel perfectly safe in your surroundings.
I don't think that the police raiding a place like The Garden is going to ensure that Munich stays safe as a city.
OK so explain how strip-searching punters makes Munich safer than it would be if they merely targeted dealers?
From Polizei Bayern - Pressbereicht 28.01.2007
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165. Drogenrazzia in Discothek in der Isarvorstadt
Aufgrund eines Durchsuchungsbeschlusses des Amtsgerichts München I erhielt eine Discothek in der Isarvorstadt am 27.01.2007, zwischen 01.00 und 05.00 Uhr morgens, polizeilichen Besuch. Dabei wurden insgesamt 259 Personen einer Kontrolle unterzogen. 19 davon mussten wegen verschiedener Verstöße nach dem Betäubungsmittelgesetz vorläufig festgenommen werden, 3 davon wegen Rauschgifthandels. Ein 21-jähriger Beschäftigungsloser muss noch dem Ermittlungsrichter vorgeführt werden.
Des weiteren wurden 12 Jugendliche in Gewahrsam genommen und ihren Erziehungsberechtigten überstellt. Die meisten von ihnen gaben zu, regelmäßig Gäste der Discothek zu sein, obwohl sie auch optisch als Jugendliche zu erkennen sind.
Ein Beschäftigter der Discothek wurde wegen zwei bestehender Haftbefehle vorübergehend festgenommen. Da er die ausstehende Strafe jedoch bezahlen konnte, wurde er in den Morgenstunden wieder entlassen.
Die Palette der sichergestellten Betäubungsmittel erstreckt sich von Amphetamin über Extasy, Kokain und Liquid-Extasy. Des weiteren konnten mehrere hundert Euro aus Rauschgiftgeschäften sichergestellt werden.
Aufgrund eines Durchsuchungsbeschlusses des Amtsgerichts München I erhielt eine Discothek in der Isarvorstadt am 27.01.2007, zwischen 01.00 und 05.00 Uhr morgens, polizeilichen Besuch. Dabei wurden insgesamt 259 Personen einer Kontrolle unterzogen. 19 davon mussten wegen verschiedener Verstöße nach dem Betäubungsmittelgesetz vorläufig festgenommen werden, 3 davon wegen Rauschgifthandels. Ein 21-jähriger Beschäftigungsloser muss noch dem Ermittlungsrichter vorgeführt werden.
Des weiteren wurden 12 Jugendliche in Gewahrsam genommen und ihren Erziehungsberechtigten überstellt. Die meisten von ihnen gaben zu, regelmäßig Gäste der Discothek zu sein, obwohl sie auch optisch als Jugendliche zu erkennen sind.
Ein Beschäftigter der Discothek wurde wegen zwei bestehender Haftbefehle vorübergehend festgenommen. Da er die ausstehende Strafe jedoch bezahlen konnte, wurde er in den Morgenstunden wieder entlassen.
Die Palette der sichergestellten Betäubungsmittel erstreckt sich von Amphetamin über Extasy, Kokain und Liquid-Extasy. Des weiteren konnten mehrere hundert Euro aus Rauschgiftgeschäften sichergestellt werden.
To prove dealing you have to prove that someone bought the junk off the dealers. Hence the search. The police had a warrant based, I am sure, on prior investigations, and if you were at the place on the night of the raid and innocent of drug trafficking, tough shit. Cooperate, get dressed, go home. Do not buy drugs, do not collect a criminal record.
QUOTE (parnell @ Jan 29 2007, 12:16 pm)
Small price to pay for a ridiculously safe city.
I'll prefer safe city without the police state, if I may, thanks.
I've been searched 4 times in this city - no bother and they were decent about it and all. The fact of the matter is Munich is the SAFEST city I've ever lived in. When it's meself I'm not so bothered but when it's my girl or others close to me out at 4am then I'm extremely grateful for the no-bullshit policy of the local police.
Some of us here have spent considerable time in cities where drugs were dealt openly and in the full knowledge of the local police force. Gradually such areas became a haven for gangs and furhter violence fed off that and the places went even furhter downhill. Fuck that.
Some of us here have spent considerable time in cities where drugs were dealt openly and in the full knowledge of the local police force. Gradually such areas became a haven for gangs and furhter violence fed off that and the places went even furhter downhill. Fuck that.
Police state, my foot! This was not a random raid, and judging by the results it was pretty damn successful. Drugs form addictions that cost money that the druggies have to procure some way which leads to street crime, see the US or the UK.
QUOTE (parnell @ Jan 29 2007, 12:16 pm)
Small price to pay for a ridiculously safe city.
It's not a small price to pay, it's a huge infringement on our personal rights and freedoms.
Yes having the state control every aspect of our lives does make us safer but at some point you have to open your eyes and realise we are being treated like animals in a cage.
Where do you draw the line?
The fact that they busted 19 people would seem to suggest that Garden has been developing a problem. However, I do wonder if the motivation was strictly the "safety" of Munich's residents. Remember, all drug cases of this type in Munich will go straight to a "verhandlung" (unlike NRW, for example, where a warning is the common punishment). If said 19 people are found guilty, they can expect fines in the region of €2000-3000. Multiply that by 19 and the city made a cool €38000 euros on Friday night (minus of course the costs of employing the police, the court time etc etc).
Having so many police in Munich costs a LOT of money, and razzias like this probably help justify their existence (and help them pay their way). Yes, munich is a very safe city, but the majority of people in Garden found with drugs in their possession had them for their own personal use, and weren't directly harming anybody, except for themselves.
Also, clubs that are discovered to have underage people present, must pay €1000 per minor. I guess they pay that to the KVR though, not the police.
Having so many police in Munich costs a LOT of money, and razzias like this probably help justify their existence (and help them pay their way). Yes, munich is a very safe city, but the majority of people in Garden found with drugs in their possession had them for their own personal use, and weren't directly harming anybody, except for themselves.
Also, clubs that are discovered to have underage people present, must pay €1000 per minor. I guess they pay that to the KVR though, not the police.
QUOTE (Eleanor Rigby @ Jan 29 2007, 12:31 pm)
Yes having the state control every aspect of our lives does make us safer but at some point you have to open your eyes and realise we are being treated like animals in a cage.
Pffft, rubbish, don't see that at all. Nearly 8 years here and I've interacted with the plod twice. Once when someone stole stuff out of my car and once when I had to go in to collect a photo of me breaking the speed limit. Granted, I don't frequent night clubs so what happens when these places get raided (once or twice a year) is of little consequence to me.
There is no "animals in a cage" concept as far as I am concerned. Can you explain why you feel that?
@ sarabyrd
The random bit was the mass strip search. No need for it, it's deliberate humiliation.
The idea that they need to find punters with drugs on them to prove dealing is baloney, because unless the Police saw the sale in progress it would be difficult to prove the drugs came from the dealer anyway. Normally the Police would have intelligence and carrying (for example) 100 grams of cocaine is enough to get you in serious trouble regardless.
The random bit was the mass strip search. No need for it, it's deliberate humiliation.
The idea that they need to find punters with drugs on them to prove dealing is baloney, because unless the Police saw the sale in progress it would be difficult to prove the drugs came from the dealer anyway. Normally the Police would have intelligence and carrying (for example) 100 grams of cocaine is enough to get you in serious trouble regardless.
QUOTE (Wundertüte @ Jan 29 2007, 1:32 pm)
Having so many police in Munich costs a LOT of money, and razzias like this probably help justify their existence (and help them pay their way). Yes, munich is a very safe city, but the majority of people in Garden found with drugs in their possession had them for their own personal use, and weren't directly harming anybody, except for themselves.
so what is your suggestion in dealing with the problem?
don't you think (or maybe trust) that the police has put a lot of thought and investigation into it before deciding to get a court order and raid? i am pretty sure they have a tight budget and need to justify all their moves to somebody.
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Jan 29 2007, 12:30 pm)
Police state, my foot! This was not a random raid, and judging by the results it was pretty damn successful. Drugs form addictions that cost money that the druggies have to procure some way which leads to street crime, see the US or the UK.
Big Guiliani fan, are we???
QUOTE (Keydeck @ Jan 29 2007, 12:34 pm)
Pffft, rubbish, don't see that at all. Nearly 8 years here and I've interacted with the plod twice. Once when someone stole stuff out of my car and once when I had to go in to collect a photo of me breaking the speed limit. Granted, I don't frequent night clubs so what happens when these places get raided (once or twice a year) is of little consequence to me.
There is no "animals in a cage" concept as far as I am concerned. Can you explain why you feel that?
There is no "animals in a cage" concept as far as I am concerned. Can you explain why you feel that?
No, we are not yet animals in a cage but actions like this run very close to crossing the line.
I don't frequent nightclubs either nor have I done drugs in quite some time so I could also use the excuse that it's of little consequence to me but the idea that I (a law abiding citizen) could randomly be strip-searched is extremely bothersome to me.
I don't think getting a warrant to search a premises should apply to searching anyone who just happens to be there. Get a warrant to search each individual, by name, then fine I accept this is sometimes necessary but just randomly strip searching people is wrong.
Unless I am doing something illegal, or there is a good reason to be suspicious that I am doing something illegal, then the contents of my anus are no one's business but my own.
QUOTE (planetmoni @ Jan 29 2007, 12:42 pm)
so what is your suggestion in dealing with the problem?
What problem? The majority of people in a place like the Garden are young professionals. Nicking them for small amounts of drugs does no good to anyone, and probably destroys careers into the bargain.
The crowd in this photo look like scumbag teenagers.
My solution is better searches at the door. In London, when you go to a club, everyone gets a basic pat down and a quick look through the handbag. It discourages the casual drug-users, and more importantly, it also takes away the police's excuse to go in heavy-handed.
Gotta agree with ER. Unless they've got a warrant or probable cause, the Polizei had damn well better keep their hands off me and out of my body cavities. It's absolutely unnecessary and humiliating.
Keydeck, I understand what you're saying, but if you'd had a policeman's hand up your ass this weekend I bet you'd feel differently. A lot differently, in fact
Keydeck, I understand what you're saying, but if you'd had a policeman's hand up your ass this weekend I bet you'd feel differently. A lot differently, in fact
All the people saying "tough shit", have you ever been strip- or cavity-searched? Have your partners? And if you would find it humiliating, can you imagine what it might be like for survivors of abuse, for example? I think the idea of everyone present suddenly having to undergo a physical examination with no prior warning or preparation is extremely disturbing.
@ER
Yep, that about puts it in a nutshell.
Yep, that about puts it in a nutshell.
QUOTE (Wheel @ Jan 29 2007, 12:35 pm)
The random bit was the mass strip search. No need for it, it's deliberate humiliation.
Depends if they did it in public. If they take you away to a little cubicle or what ever then, I don't see the problem with this. It 's the only way to look for "mules". That or lock you up in a room and wait for you to shit.
I think it's applaudable that they use a zero tolerance attitude. There are no civil liberties being broken. You can refuse the search if you want to.
Well here's the warning. A couple of times a year the plod raid a night-club or two in Munich. They may conduct strip searches and whatnot. Wear clean underwear.
Anyway, I don't see a link here but where is it written that they actually did cavity searches?
Anyway, I don't see a link here but where is it written that they actually did cavity searches?
QUOTE (gideon @ Jan 29 2007, 12:52 pm)
You can refuse the search if you want to.
Can you? With what consequences?
QUOTE (georgiagirl @ Jan 29 2007, 1:51 pm)
but if you'd had a policeman's hand up your ass this weekend I bet you'd feel differently. A lot differently, in fact
They never write, they never call and when they do it's a summons to appear in court.
I've never been in trouble with the police here, been stopped a few times, questioned in various bars about things I had nothing to do with so I think the police here are pretty okay.
However the idea of somebody poking around in my second last meal just because I happen to go to a certain place for a night out, I fail to see how that is going to keep Munich safe.
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