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China copies a German bus design

...and sues German blogger for libel

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BadDoggie
It's no secret that China is the world's center of pirated articles, from DVDs to designer clothing, but a BUS?

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The German company MAN Nutzfahrzeuge AG designed the Starliner bus as a new generation and it has a very distinctive style, from the internationally recognisable wrap-around front glass to the lines and wheel cover design. In October, 2006 they took the Zonda China Buses & Coaches Group to court via their Chinese branch, MAN-China. MAN had registered a Chinese design patent in 2005 and has numerous additional international patents for this bus.

This design theft doesn't just hurt MAN outside China but inside as well since they licensed the design to their Chinese partner Neoplan-Youngman Jinhua. A story in Spiegel incudes pictures of both the Starliner and the A9 copy with similar views for comparison. The Starliner sells for €350,000 (US$455,000) while Zonda's A9 copy sells for about a third of that.

This is hardly China's first foray into motor industry copying. China has previously copied the Smart car, the VW Jetta and the Chevy Spark. Toyota lost a design theft case in the Chinese courts in 2005 and GM Daewoo settled their case with Cherry Motors over the Spark clone, the "QQ", outside the court.

The Starliner dispute continues, but it's taken a new twist. Looking to America for more ideas, the Chinese have turned to frivolous lawsuits. The Autoregional blog linked to the Speigel story about the copying back in October, 2005. Unfortunately they also included the line to the effect of, “This example shows how fast und ruthless Chinese are when it comes to copying.�

Although the line has since been removed, it didn't disappear fast enough. Zhongwei is suing the blog owners for libel and they've been ordered to show up in the Jiangsu High People's Court on July 17th, 9am Beijing time. They're also being sued for unfair competition: "by publicising MAN's position that the A9 is a copy, they hurt Zhongwei's business."

But it doesn't end there. the Chinese have taken another tip from the litigious Americans: go after the small fish who can't afford to defend themselves first, get a victory in court and set precedent, then go after the big guys and show previous court decisions in your favour. It's a neat and effective trick.

Who are the big fish? Die Welt, for one. Their story was considerably harsher, directly calling the A9 a copy outside of speaker's quotes, and which clearly has a larger and more influential readership. Der Spiegel would also make a good target.

If the defendants don't show up, the Chinese firm will obviously win by default, but could they make their judgement stick? Could they take their court decision to a German court to get it enforced? That's very unlikely. §328 ZPO covers the recognition of foreign judgements. If the Chinese decision is based in laws which clash against German laws, the decision won't be held up in Germany. Since the comment and the link almost certainly come under German free speech laws, the Chinese are extremely unlikely to prevail.

For your additional reading pleasure, see the Grauniand's story on China's Leninst Corporatism and why at least some opinions are that China can not only not keep up their progress rate, but that they're doomed to failure in the long run as little more than outsourcers.

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kwenga
the chinese prefer to call it `learning from the experts' instead of ' stealing'. And the european or whatever companies dealing with china are usually dumb enough to serve them their ideas and designs on a silver platter.
BadDoggie
Actually, in every single case of blatant theft in durable goods and heavy industry they've claimed "independent design" which, each time, managed to come to fruition some three-nine months after the non-Chinese company produced the object. Oddly that's about the time it takes to tool up for production once the designs are finished. China also hasn't had the greatest success in stealing military aircraft plans, either.

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fnkygbn
A bit tangential, this, but perhaps they should rebrand?
Andy101
Even overseas born Chinese who are able to communicate in Chinese do not dare to do business in China . China has their kind of special patent system which is favourable to China.
parnell
Any update on this BD? great story.
Johnny English
I do business in China. I am right in the middle of a hairy legal case across 4 countries. Would love to discuss here but will need to wait until it's all over. It's stressful but very interesting!
Owain Glyndwr
the chinese prefer to call it `learning from the experts' instead of ' stealing'. And the european or whatever companies dealing with china are usually dumb enough to serve them their ideas and designs on a silver platter.
It is a bit simplistic, that view. If you wish to import vehicles into China you have to provide the chinese authorities with vehicles for them to "audit". Also, you have to allow them to "audit" your factory. Unfortunately, this is the price you pay for what can be a very lucrative business.
BadDoggie
Thanks, parnell. No word at all, I'm afraid. The court date for the blogger is set for 17 JUL 2007 in East Bumfuck, China. I don't know if any decision's been made here as to whether the guy actually has to go to there but the Chinese court expects him to show up at 9:00a.m. sharp.

There's no word about the issue on MAN's site nor in their annual report. Nothing new in the news about the stolen design but China's been busy filling lots of pages downplaying the claim and cross-linking so that it's hard to find anything else in Google.

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RakishRam
Kinda related. They copied a bike design from my 'poor country' including the name. Copied Pulsar and sold it as Gulsar. Somehow the original owners managed to ban the Chinese firm from selling Gulsars Here it is.
BadDoggie
Needs better pictures. The ones on that blog make the Gulsar look considerably different than the Pulsar which itself looks like a cheap Kawasaki copy. Differences I see which weren't named by the newspapers include wheel type (mag alloy vs. spoke), tank form, engine form and body plastic.

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RakishRam
Needs better pictures.
Here is Pulsar. Couldnt find any better ones of Gulsar.

Pulsar which itself looks like a cheap Kawasaki copy.
Could be, Kawasaki and Bajaj were partners in India for a long time.
angelbeast
the picture Rakish gave earlier of the Gulsar is actually the New pulsar.. you can check out the model name on the tank of that vehicle...

i had never heard of Gulsar... though still in India...
nataras
When I lived in China for 2 years, my former company Daimer Chrylser was fighting a case in the international court of Law as a Daimler Benz C class was copied and made in China. The international court dismissed this case as the back side of the car was made different. I think these things are very much common in China!!! Go and live there and find out a whole new world where everything is cheap
astor
They copy BMWs, Chevys and Mercedes...no surprise there
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