Italian campaign against anorexic models

Monica Bellucci is at least 5 foot 9 and she was just on French TV where she verified that her measurements are: waist 70cm and hips 96...I think she is built perfectly.

wholeheartedly agreed

To me, Monica has much better proportions than Keira, her legs being too short for her body. Both have really beautiful faces... hm, just remembered that Monica is almost 20 years older than Keira... Anyway, I wouldn´t like to experience the pressure they face all the time about their physiques, but then again, they chose a very public job based mostly on looks...

EDIT: @ Saint, ok, considering her height and size, she has the right curves at all the right places... I really thought she was shorter though, anyway, une vraie femme...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and as far as my eyes are concerned, Monica Bellucci is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. She blows Keira Knightly out of the water.

Fact is, athletes can do what they want - they will always be thin. If you look at photos of sportswomen, they hardly ever have big boobies and almost always very muscular legs and depending on the sport, arms too. Doesn't make them thin nor fat. Keira looks like an athlete to me. No way she got such muscular legs without lots of training. Monica is a vamp, but then I am sure she isn't into sports. If she were, she'd soon be looking like Keira body-wise. The most perfect body I have ever seen on a woman belongs to Grace Jones.

Here, Grace. She is a living statue!

Ladies pullease -

Marketa Belonoha
Keyra Augustina
My gf (ahem)

all blow these chics out of the water

the agencies don't care! Its sad, but true. I have worked as a model, and have seen the young girls 13 or 14 years old, and starving, not really into puberty yet, being marketed for the Asian Market where they like 'pale white' girls. I personally just made it under the height restriction at 5'9.5''. Because I was a plus model, I needed to stay in a certain size, couldn't go up- then the clothes don't fit right, and couldn't go down, as then again, the clothes didn't fit.

You would think they should be checking things like that, but once the money comes rolling in, common sense goes out the windows, not just from the models, but the agents, the industry and the parents of the young girls.

Yes, she is old.



But still very beautiful.
Teaches you a lot about the way beauty is produced by the media tho.

Parnell, you must be talking about their bodies, because their faces don't come anywhere close. Marketa Belonoha and Keyra Augustina don't hold a candle to Monica Bellucci in their wildest dreams...not when it comes to facial beauty.

plus monica is slutty as hell...

I would say she's just a very confident woman...

How is Monica "slutty"? She has been with the same man for a decade. She's über-confident and somewhat Goddess-like. The Def Leppard song, Photograph comes to mind. (but that's probably because I'm listening to 80s tunes on youtube at the moment)

Nothing wrong with being slutty.

Slutty says "I do not need to abide by some antiquated societal mores that dictate that I can not enjoy nor be in control of my own sex life". Bah.

Zackly, ER!

Oum .. well if you translate 'being in control of ones own sex life' with being somewhat indiscriminate when choosing sex partners, and choosing often, then thats probably aquivalent. Have to say that to me those are different things tho. Would even claim that sluttyness is more a sign of being very much *not* in control of ones sex life.

No I define it as not letting someone else, or someone elses conception of what is appropriate behaviour choose who I sleep with and how many times.

Yea, but how does that generally equate to sluttyness? I'd say it doesnt. Thats just self-confidence. Its only slutty if you additionally *wish* to act like a slut.
And most sluts are very much *not* in control. Guess it must be some weird kind of attention deficit, thank god i am not a psychotherapist ;p

Pray tell, Mr. Fixit...are you talking about females or males? hmm? (if you're smart you will say, "both")

Perhaps you should clarify by explaining what you consider slutty? Is there a degree of sluttiness that you deem acceptable? Is it a frame of mind? Is it a particular behaviour?

Of course i choose the smart answer. And I really meant it that way, doesnt have anything to do with gender.

well, i think i did it allright along the way:"being somewhat indiscriminate when choosing sex partners, and choosing often"

Edit: and yes, i am aware that that makes the vast majority of men sluts. And thats probably the reason why the traditional usage of the term refers to women only.

Edit II : and what do you mean, a degree that i deem acceptable?

That's not really a clear enough definition. What's indiscriminate? Taking someone home after the first date, third, fifth? Not being in love with someone when you sleep with them?

And if i interpret the direction of your questions right, i will answer what i think was the real question:

No, i dont think that slutty behaviour is healthy. I think it is a symptom of a contagious mental disorder

But thats just me and i am trying hard to remain the last hopeless romantic in that regard. probably another mental disorder, but i tell ya, mine needs control!

Well, what do you want from me, now? Should i come up with a table of how many different sex partners in which timespans constitute which degree of sluttyness? I mean, i am German, but not *that* German ;P

But yes, indiscriminate in that regards means sex without deep emotions or interest in the personality, of the other one; or in some cases rapidly changing states of said emotions ;p

in short: sluttyness is the addiction to the impersonal, superficial, egoistic, physical kind of sex with a high variance in partners. Should clinically be grouped under the narcistic or attention deficit disorders ;p

No that wasn't the direction of my question. Rather I just wanted to see what behaviour you (as an example) find acceptable and what behaviour not. I was then going to question you why.

Take away the partner and you describe masturbation. Is masturbation also a narcisistic or attention deficit disorder?

So again you want me to tell something about myself?

What difference would that make? T´hats just me, you know, and obviously what i find acceptable is very different to what you find acceptable. That is still very much compatible, as you can give a flying fuck about what i find acceptable (for me) and vice versa.

It makes a difference because what you'll find is the issue is far too complex to define. Which is why I find labels such as slut and whore so apalling. You may meet someone who has had many partners but had intimate loving relationships with all of them, you may meet someone who has had very few partners but used every one of them to further her position in society of line her checkbook.

Damn right, it is using another human as a tool to masturbate, physically or psychically.

And honestly, the second part of your post seems not very thought through... how could it be an attention deficit if the only attention i am gettting is my own?
And narcistic it could only be if i would be getting off on touching myself not because the way it feels, but because i am so goddamn hot. Wanking in front of a Mirror and is probably borderline narcistic tho

This thread is suffering from a serious split personality disorder...

certainly not! Only because there is no clear qualitative difference between the one and the other doesnt mean the labels are useless. Else the differentiation into child and adult would have to be considered useless. Or the one between beauty and uglyness ... or the one between blonde and brunette

The "attention" in Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD or ADHD) does not refer to getting attention from an outside source but rather an inability to attend to one certain thing for more than a short period of time.

There is a difference between objective labels and subjective labels. Just because you say something is beautiful does not make it so.

Puhleeeze ... you are stretching it...

many intimate loving relationships within, say one month?

But you do have a point with them gold digging ladies ... thats another mental disorder tho ;p

1) that is only half truth ( or maybe 3/4th)
2) i did not mean ADHS. I did mean it the way it makes sense

Within a month may be stretching it but who knows. Who are you to decide what defines love and intimacy for another person?

ADD and ADHD are the same thing one is Attention Deficit Disorder and the other is Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. In the latter the children are hyperactive in addition to being unable to attend to specific tasks.

I have quite a bit of experience with these children.

well, now the question of your defintion of 'reality' arises. To try to kill it before it grows i'll answer: DOCH!, to my world it is beatiful when i think it is ;p

And that was only one example ... there is no such thing as objective truth. Fuck you Ayn.

I knew and so do i. BTW, It doesnt magically vanish when those children grow up, you know?

I never said i would. i define solely for me ;p

Of course not, I know that from personal experience as well. I would hardly say that having ADD makes people sexually indicriminate.

WEll, so do i. Back on topic, shall we? I mean our Topic

(this needs a thread split i guess)


But i never said that. i said the sexual indiscrimination would be a symptom of an Attention deficit *not* as in ADD, but a perceved deficit in *external* attention. Quite a difference. (but still not totally unrelated to ADD)

but you have stated that you don't believe my fictitous example could have several intimate loving relationships within one months time. Which does show that you have defined what love is or (in this case what love is not) for my example.

but who knows, she could have a few 'serious' relationships at the same time, just cannot make up her mind. Who hasn't had some overlap in 'dating' or 'relationships'.
Or could be single, and gone 11 months without sex, and boom, in a months time finds great one night stands everywhere.
Both are plausable.

Tsk, tsk... you haven't been paying attention.

Nope, it doesnt. There was no moral judgement on my part, just an expression of how likely i find that to be. For some reason everytime i fell seriously in love, i was pretty much consumed by it for quite a while. And yes, i would even call that a defining factor. So no, by my defintion of love, it is highly unlikely that one should experience that >2 times a month

Oh i did I was merely endorsing your notion

Yes that happens... with 2 people. not with 10
I've even been in Love with 2 women at the same time. It *does* happen. Just not very often, and thats not exactly what i would call indiscriminate.

yea, thats more what i would call sluttyness

OK but you were the one who started discussing ADD which I naturally assumed you meant the DSM IV definition of ADD. As far as I know there aren't any real attention disorders the way you describe them in the DSM IV.

Regardless, you are right this is off topic.