Apple iPhone (news, info, general chat)

[fingers crossed]

12" MacBook Pro!

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I'm very excited about this, I have high hopes in regards to the new iPhone.

Could this be the saddest post in the history of TT?

Hutcho you need to get out more!! :-D

You know dat!

All Online Apple Stores Are Down..

What could Apple possibly be announcing today that would cause a whole bunch of its international online stores to be down... I Wonder

WWDC Live Video Feed

live updates here too: http://www.macrumorslive.com/

Here's a neat stat from the presentation.


This is exactly what "tech people" don't understand, and what I've been saying about the iPhone (and a lot of Apple products) for a long time: Yes, there are many other pieces of technology with better stats, but if a person can't/won't use the features, they effectively don't exist.

It's taken an hour and half to get to the new hardware FFS.

3G - check
No GPS?

Still waiting to hear if there will be a 32gb model and how much it will cost.

Correction: GPS built-in. Excellent. Just need to make it non-contract and I'll have one for definite.

@Wheel, I think not... my prediction is you won't be able to leave the store without a contract hope not

No sign of 32gb:

Bloody hell, $299 for the 16gb version...

Looking good... but that may be with contract?

I'm waiting to see if there any exclusive partners for the contracts...

Sounds like no word on the contract... doesn't want to say bad news on stage?

Dammit. I'll probably get a jailbroken one then, if/when it's possible.

my two concerns so far:

1) Contract?
2) Does GPS require a net connection to use Google Maps (would be useless then)

And no 32Gb model.

WOW, the new iPhone is fantastic, but where are the new Macs?

They are back online.

looks like it will be t-mobile

http://www.apple.com/de/iphone/buy/

Bad link
Edit: good link

Stores are back, but are still having problems... Best to wait a bit longer. It doesn't look like their taking 3G order anyway.

Above Link:

It seems we have to wait until July.

Bugger. dont want to get a phone with tmobile. Guess its time maybe to wait to see how locked down to ATT the us versions are.

Exactly the result I was looking for - 3G and GPS. The fact that it's slimmer and has better battery life than the last one is just icing on the cake.

On Macrumors, it says that maximum price world wide will be $199. Does that mean we'll see it here for 150 euros? That seems a bit cheap, even though it will almost certainly only be available under a 24 month contract.


Why are you so concerned about 32gb? What do you have that you need on a day to day basis that you can't fit in 16gb? Personally, I'm considering whether to get the 8gb or the 16gb. I'll probably go the 16gb just for the hell of it, but not really out of necessity, and I'm quite a storage rich type of guy - I have 1.5TB storage here at home.

I have a 30GB ipod which is 75% full. I think 16Gb will suit me fine. I am back in the States on the 9th of July for a week and I hope I can get one unlocked. My needs are a camera, GPS, email, surfing, handy and listening to mp3s.

We might have to wait a while until they manage to unlock them.

Hopefully they are sold here already unlocked. There were rumours of O2 in the UK doing that. However, I'm sure the price won't be $199 in that case.

I actually don't mind the T-Mobile deal for 29 euros a month for 500mb data and 50 minutes. Hopefully they keep that for the 3G.

One thing that it is missing is a front facing camera. I would have really expected that seeing as most 3G phones have it.

The 32GB model will come out just when everybody gets used to the 16GB Model.

Well, I just measured my 1st generation iPhone against the sizes on the new 3G versions page and it is identical.

Not necessarily relevant, but my wait for the 12" Macbook continues :-(

Yup, me too. It looks like the Montevina platform has been delayed until July so expect new MacBooks a few weeks after that. Sigh. I REALLY need a new laptop by late August. I'm not sure how much longer I can hold out!

This explains the price drop:
San Jose Mercury News: 3G iPhone will be available next month for $199

Careful before you buy one

More info on the 3G iPhone and Here
Expect other carriers to follow similar rules.

For a good Iphone vs Windows Mobile discussion, have a read of the comments.


For Germany, just replace the word AT&T with T-Mobile.

Carriers have also raised the monthly rates, to offset the iPhones new lower price. For AT&T customers this means $70 a month for voice/data as opposed to the old price of $30-40

That comment section is full of nerds, who are such a minority that any reasonable company wouldn't market to them at all:


Seriously, these other phone might have better specs on paper, but their usability is crap, and their appearance is equally crap. Windows Mobile is the biggest piece of junk going. I would never consider getting a phone running that shit. Plus these phone have no multitouch, which is a really huge thing when it comes to mobiles.

I've seen some prototypes of this new Google Andriod system, and it looks like it might come close to the iPhone. But until then, I give the iPhone 9/10 and the runner up to it 2/10 at best. In my opinion, the rest are really that far behind.

previously I had an O2 XDA II from the uk, for which I managed to get the newer WM2005 Rom downloads. I liked the phone, and my other half has it now, but I did get fed up with carrying an iPod, and the XDA, and wanted something smaller. So I bought the HTC 710s last year. It was ok, but had some rough edges, like not being able to make skype calls without it coming out of the loudspeaker. (I believe it is a bug in WM6), slideout keyboard was also not the greatest, but it was ok. Was nice to have WLAN built in, but the browser experience is not so great, nor is the email setup.

When I saw T-Mobile announce its new Tarif and dropped the price of the iPhone I plunged in. In every way possible I prefer the iPhone, the quality, ease of use, and the browser experience on this phone is like no other. Email transferred flawlessly from my mac and is a joy to use.

The only peave I have is that it uses a dictionary for everything you type and you have to click on the suggestion to not accept it, otherwise pressing space when you think you have finished the word, changes it to what it thinks it should be. I hope that they disable this in the newer firmware, or that someone has come up with an app on the app store to do it! If not I might have a good reason to tryout that sdk. After watching Mr Jobs' keynote speech (firmware 2, SDK etc.) I do think that this device has a very interesting future.

I've been using an HP iPaq hw6515 for about 2-3 years now and it has been a great phone. At least its the one I've kept the longest after years of switching every year.

It runs a version of windows and has the ability to play MP3 files, it has Sat Nav, a small camera and some time-passing games; usability is fine though finding some things can be a pain if I need to tweak a setting. It takes 2 SD cards (one mini-SD and one full size SD) so there was oodles of storage space with cheap SD cards these days. It synced with my work email system via the docking station and all round it is a fairly great and simple to use PDA based phone.

To use the phone you select the phone button, to use the MP3 player you use the pulldown menu and select "Media Player" its not exactly rocket science. For the satnav select TomTom from the pulldown menu.

It has a fairly simple touchscreen which really needs a stylus, finger touch can work but you need to be careful with menus.

I havent seen an iPhone, but everything I've heard suggests that about the only thing Apple have improved is the touchscreen interface.

I'm seriously looking at the hw6915 or its successor as a replacement in the next year or two.

The iPhone still doesn't have SatNav. WM Devices have a choice of 3-4 different Applications. (And No the Google maps app doesn't count as it doesn't do Navigation and relies on an Internet connection to do its job) WM Device users can install and use any one of over 20k avail programs anytime they want and are not restricted by the device maker as to which apps they can use.

WM Devices may have their "Issues", but atleast they have more options and are not restricted. The newer HTC devices are now coming with multitouch, as are devices from other makers.

In the end the thing people like most about the iPhone is the Interface. If you are running a WM device, there are even software packages to add this as well
so you don't need to go out and buy an iPhone.

You should see it, and try it, before you comment further. It is a completely different experience compared with previous touch screen phones. This one actually works in an intuitive and natural way.


You're trying to teach an old dog new tricks. Honestly, if you use both of them side by side, 95% of people are going to pick the iPhone over any of these Windows based phones. It's simply not comparable, and it's hard to describe the different, you just have to try it for yourself. I'm no Apple fan boy here, I've never bought a piece of Apple gear ever before. I am genuinely blown away by the iPhone in comparision to anything I've seen before.

The WM Devices have more apps, but most of them no one cares about. Everything that the iPhone does is what people actually need 99% of the time, and it does it 10 times better than any other device. Just look at their web browser. Amazing. I've never been satisfied with a hand held browser until this one, and I could happily surf all day on the iPhone.

By the way, TomTom say they have ported their navigation system to the iPhone, so it won't be long before we have that as well.

I really like the look of the new iPhone but I wished they were not tied to specific carriers and you could pick one up sim free straight away. From the few things I've read, it looks like the iPhone will need to be activated in-store rather than the previous version (which I understood you could take away and activate later or not if you were unlocking it).

Still there are some things they missed out on, some of which is listed in this link that are in many other phones (although as you mentioned, TomTom have already said they have an iPhone version of their software running already).

Sony Ericsson will be announcing new phones next week so maybe they have something under wraps worth looking at.

I also wish it was tied to T-Mobile. At least then there would be some competition to drive the prices down. I'm sure we're going to get ripped off over here compared to other places, like we are already.

But it is tied to T-Mobile..

Actually being tied into a network and not being able to buy an unlocked version is one of the main reasons I wont be getting one in the near future. Its my phone if I cant unlock it after a dispute with a carrier to switch carriers I may as well carry a brick in my pocket. I'm also happy with my current provider and so dont see a reason to change just for a phone.

The reviews of the iPhone 3G also say that it only has a 2MP camera without any flash which is pretty sub-standard for todays current generation of phones (the SonyEricssons some with 3.5 MP minimum AFAIR and many have 5MP). The K810i my wife has is great for opportunistic photos and the built in flash means we have a reasonable functioning camera around all the time.

I'm also very suspicious of Apple and the hype surrounding its products. When the iPod came out I actually saw one and couldnt see what was supposed to be so "revolutionary" about it - it seemed to be a battle of hype and fashion over common sense in terms of people buying over priced product to get an iPod rather than the same functionality in a bog-standard MP3 player. So with all the hype surrounding iPhone I'm now just almost attuned to disliking it prior to seeing it. And very few of the reviews on sites I frequent seem to be encouraging me to think otherwise.

When I come to replace my hw6515 in 6-18 months time I will look more closely but until then I'm going to be a mildly interested observer only.

And the phone is so much better than anything on the market, I'm still willing to buy it even with these conditions

According to the UK papers they are going to sell iPhones on pay as you go. So it could happen in Germany too.


TomTom have said that they will develop a SatNav app for the iPhone. So Google maps for free, stump up some cash and you get full SatNav.

My WM phone has been skinned to run a Star Trek LCARS style interface, complete with loads of ultra-geek Star Trek sound effects for everything. La la la. Gaaaaaaaaay.
I've totally enjoyed having a WM phone, it does loads of stuff, but I don't think marketeers have people like me in mind - I doubt many people particularly care for remote desktop funtionality built into their phone, or want to run their own media server to access porn whilst out and about.

I was looking at this new iphone, because 3g and GPS sounds good, and the web browser is pretty nice - but I think I'll probably get a new WM phone with GPS, because without a choice of sat nav software, GPS is largely useless as far as I can see - OK, so maybe TomTom are developing software, but I can see the GPS being used primarily by Apple to sell advertising to other companies. Beep beep! You are near a McDonalds! Yaaay!

past experience says that would be more the 'Google Android' way of things and not Apple's. Now what Apple could do is limit downloads and updates to the maps through iTunes only and charge for every bit of data you download.

Meanwhile, O2 has announced some tariff plans for UK. Wonder whether the 'free' plans will add more subscribers!

Having google'd for this info. There are no official announcements from TomTom, all the info is nothing but Rumor on MAC/Iphone websites. Until Tomtom
come out and actually announce something I'll remain a bit skeptical. Tomtom have already all but written off their Navigator product on WM devices in favor of their
own hardware devices, I doubt they'll create a new app just for the iphone, but anythings possible.