Neger - a mix of Weißbier and cola

I'm looking for opinions on the German word "Neger". Talk about the word itself if you like but I'm more interested in its use as a name for a Weißbier-cola mix.

Yes, it's racist. And I'm not the only one who thinks so. Some young Germans I know said they prefer to order a "Cola und Weissbier" instead of calling it a "Neger."

i consider the term "Neger" to be on a similar level to "Nigger". Ask yourself if it would be racist to call a drink a "Nigger" and if you answer yes to that, then you know the answer to "Neger".

I would rather compare the term "neger" with the term "negro".

To the best of my knowledge it's called "Dreckiges" in Frankfurt and "Diesel" in Berlin and people up there are really taken aback when they hear the Bavarian word for it. I do not think the word was in any way derogatory in days gone by, but I will of course stand corrected...

Maybe we should just start calling straight Weissbier a "honky". Or maybe a "cracker"?

In Cologne , Kölsch and cola is called "drecksack".

which is also a perfectly acceptable word to call somebody who isnt white.

MT you were only confused. bloke asks for a neger and you felt well small.

The black-as-coal guy here in my office has no problem with "Negerküßchen". I either call it a "Neger" or a "Cola-Weizen". I might find it to be an offensive term for the drink if it got that name not because of the colour but in reference to blacks either as something generally disgusting or a drink normally associated with blacks (c.f. "nigger-fruit" for watermelon).

Didn't we already go through this bullshit with Dickmanns?

EDIT:

"Nigger" is nothing but a corruption of the word "negro".

Mix a Weizen with lemon-lime soda (just like a Radler/Shandy) and it's called a "Ruß'n [Halbe]".

woof.

Diesel in Berlin is Cola and Pils, not wiessbier!

From an English language perspective I would regard it as offensive, but many of my German friends who are not racist, do not consider it offensive.

surely the most worrying thing is that people actually mix beer (be it weiss or kölsch or pils) and coke. Minging. (where's that throwing up smiley?)

Weissbier is also racist. We should think of using the other name for it, that doesn't have the color associations. Strike out that word, and use only Weizenbier from now on. Which is also racist, since it alludes to the ethnic purity of the grains that are used in the process of its production, as if other grains aren't equal and do not deserve to be mentioned in other types of beverages. Just say "das Bier, das aus dem Getreide gemacht ist, von dem man Brezen macht. Mit Cola".

BD, I'm not trying to re-hash an old argument but an actual issue in the bar of my Verein and I have to help make a decision on it so I want opinions.

Diesel in some parts of the UK is another name for Snakebite & Black (cider, lager & blackcurrant cordial).
Have heard Neger used to order that mix but Colaweizen is used more often where I tend to drink. It tastes grim in any case.
I'd drink a Bananenweizen first (pureed banana in a Weizen, used to be quite common in Stuttgart when I was on placement).

I think its Diesel up here in HH too. Although why anyone would put cola in perfectly good beer is beyond me.

Yeah we called it diesel rather than snakebite and black.
I still drink it sometimes when I'm ahaving one of my more downmarket nights out.

they are both similar if you ask me.


source: German wikipedia


Source: English wikipedia.

If your Verein sold Blastaways (mix of Castaway wine cooler & Diamond White or similar), I'd join, quickest way downmarket for most people, that stuff.

How EVER did you guess what I used to drink!

i had you down as a babysham spritzer kind of girl

Vodka and Babycham is lush. But dangerous.

I'll let someone else answer that one, Lassie.

MonksTown, brandy and babycham, surely? Have also seen Babycham & Buckfast but that's a one way ticket to A&E.

Even worse with banana juice/syrrup! Looks like someone puked into the glass.

I think I can trump all disgusting beer mixes with a "beer and clam" (beer and clamato cocktail)

OK, I'll give you a few minutes here.

the mistake you're making is in mixing cultural idiosyncrasies. You're taking a bias from your culture and mapping it into a completely different culture. I pull my lower eyelid down sometimes to adjust my contact lens or to get shit out of my eye. That's no big deal, right? Except it's like flipping the bird at someone in Japan. Does that mean if a Japanese person comes here he should get upset every time I adjust my contact lens?

It only sounds racist because you want it to. While blacks generally don't order a "neger" from a bar, it's not because it's an insulting term but rather to avoid the same old tired "joke": "Ein Neger für den Neger".

"Fanny" means very different things depending where you are: it's a children's word like "bottom" in the US but slang for "cunt" in the UK, and often considered almost as offensive. Should a UKian woman get upset in the US when hearing that word? What about when it's a woman's name? It's old-fashioned but the name "Fanny" hasn't completely disappeared. There's even a confectionery chain called "Fanny Farmer".

It's only offensive because you're making it out to be so. This is a different country with different words, different attitudes and a different history. Germany had little to do with the slave trade through the 19th century and never had the influx of blacks that other European countries did: Germany had to give up the few colonies the country had at the end of WWI. It's a different mindset here.

woof.

methinks i need to buy a cocktail shaker...

The German version of Wiki still considers the word "Neger" to be racist, cultural differences aside.

more German sources which consider it to be racist:

http://www.bpb.de/themen/JSTLBP,0,0,Don%B4...u_Call_Me_Neger

http://www.inidia.de/neger.htm

there are plenty more

@ bavaria brau the other night my collegue ordered a cola-weizen, then the waiter said" okay,neger" and i cringed. it was unintentional and very obvious and my collegue saw this (bavarian born and bred) and said yeah, she doesn't like that word either.

No.

I was aware of this description and it caught my eye on the drinks menu, under my cultural background.
But, the people in the Verein who are complaining about this are in fact all German.

What I find most offensive is that someone would mix cola and Weißbier together. Who the hell first thought of that, and then who the hell thought that the first guy was onto something?

Do you need this for a bar prices sign or menu, MT? If yes, I'd put down Colaweizen but not correct people if they use Neger as folk will be out for a drink not a lecture.
That might mean I'm being rubbish but it is practical.

I expect you'll have some onhand tomorrow . . .

We have already had the discussion about the word "neger", it is used in a pejorative sense e.g. saying "Ich bin doch nicht dein Neger!" when somebody asks you to do a chore/favour which you don´t really want to do.

Yeah Katrina, in the Verein I might be joining "the committee" that runs the bar and I would want to see the drinks menu changed, not lecture down at people. Some people have spoken to me about it so I'm trying to get a broad range of opinions.

well, you can hardly consider me as being a loony left pc type who is oversensitive to racism but i find that word to be as racist as nigger.

I think the term black is racist.

Today I am wearing my all colours of the visual spectrum shoes.

Is black a term or a word?

Ah, the pc squad at work again. In the old days of 'Negerkuss' the word Neger was NOT racist or derogative whatsoever. Why should anyone use a racist word for a yummy sweet or a (arguably) nice drink? With all the pc hysteria going round for years we were made to believe it has a racist twang and are now in a phase where some will insist on it being racist (including Wiki, which is not the most reliable source of information anyway). Maybe the drink should be called 'Nigerianer' or 'Kongolese' in this part of the world.
Ach, I'm germanically challenged

You beat me to it. Just use Colaweizen and be done with it, especially if the people in the Verein are in a tizzy.


Lots of words can be used pejoratively. That doesn't make them inherently pejorative.

For a little more insight, have a look at Nigger v. Queer: How Gays Got it Right, written by a black columnist.

woof.

kwenga, just because people weren't aware of how racist the term was, and continued to use it oblivious to it connotations, it does not stop the word from being racist.

When the word is used to signify a drink and not a person how could a person take offence? The French might dislike the word Frog but not when used to signify a small green critter. Ok, in this example the latter has been around for longer but it seems most people here believe a Neger, the drink, doesn’t deserve a better name anyway.

Blastaway is just like drinking Lilt, except it makes you fall over

I havent drank that in about 10 years

EDIT: oh yea and i also think Neger shouldnt be used (or drunk )

then show me how the word can used without having negative connotations or without it being used in a perjorative way. Even "Negerküsse" are perjorative because they poke fun at stereotypcial physical attributes of african people.

not even close to a good comparison. There is ONLY one meaning for the word "Negger" and it has a similar meaning as Nigger. When talking about a Negger there is no doubt what you are talking about. Whereas frogs can be slimey little creatures or amphibeans with green skin.

??? A Negerkuss is sweet and black, now where exactly is the perjorative aspect coming in?

I saw the word "nigger" printed big as day in an Esquire Magazine editorial this month. I was really taken aback. I dont think Ive seen the word *printed* in gosh knows how long. For anyone interested here's the editorial: The Manifesto of Ascendancy for the Modern American Nigger

Following this logic the french and latin words for black should also be considered racist.

Personally, I'm kind of uncomfortable referring to people based on the colour of their skin but those who actively campaign against one categorisation are happy to embrace another.

are you really that stupid? The name "Negerkuss" pokes fun at stereotypical big fat african lips. that is about as racist as you can get. or the connotation that if you get kissed by an african, it'll leave a brown smear on your face. You chose, but both connotations are extremely racist.

Should the river Niger (and country for that matter) be renamed as well as they are derived from the latin for 'black'?

no. Those words mean black and only black. they do not mean what Nigger or Neger mean. There is no comparison.