Dishonest logging of work hours by a colleague

yes and no. if your so stupid to identify personaly with a company you dont own as being your own then yes it is your business act now. it wont save your job if the firm is doing a nose dive and doesnt pull out and as jml rightly pointed out the consequences could mean a huge increase in your own hours. so your next post will be

"my lazy colleague got sacked after i squeeled and now i have to work double. bitch!"

no its not your business cos you will never see jack shit of the profits gained by her being sacked, the company will still let you go if it doesnt pull ou tof its nose dive and you should be using any excess energy feathering your own nest. you didnt create the difficulties causeing your company to have problems, your managers did, and they were probably showing their loyalty by fleecing the company in the manager way (private expensess as company, using taxis and lufthansa flights when cheaper more viable alternatives are available, this list is endless)

anyways on a side note BuLi what happens if your boss sets up an illegal slush fund for international bribes. do you shop him to the finanzamt, and if you do would that break your freshly signed business practice contract? (serious question, i find such business ethic and practice contracts are not only perfectly usless under the scrutiny of a lawyer but have a great negative moral effect on the workforce)

old bag (Scottish) doing something similar where I work - or comes in early , stamps her time card , then fucks off for couple of hours

I know this was right at the beginning of the thread but I think that MB has not been given enough stick for this suggestion yet

sometimes I feel that this really is a Toy-town, all here seem to be on a moral high floating around the world stating facts and Pro's n Con's. Gosh, so you never knew anyone who counted extra hours, sneaked out of office, took home office stationary...blah blah...

Fact, if you dont own the company and think the even small company is in trouble because this colleague is making a few on the side then tell on them else tell your manager what they should be doing!
Fact, if you are not and just annoyed that your colleague is so selfish that she is still profiting when you all are not even sure of a job, you are a snitch!

Don't agree, point is if everyone had the same attitude the company would nosedive, why should she get away with taking the piss??


Then if this is not acceptable then somone should take action against them. Personally I am not privvy to my bosses expenses. But all flights in the company I work for Have to be booked centrally and are scrutinized. A manager is not allowed to sign his/her own expenses, I cannot expense dinner for example for my boss, the senior person must pay. Taxi's to the airport are not re-paid, and you need a good reason to park at the airport instead of the S Bahn... as you say the controls are also endless


No, the correct course would be to go to his boss


Agreed these biz contract things are shitty, but I like/need my job, so need to sign it.

[adminabuse]Yeh well I think ur a cock [/adminabuse] and its not a bad suggestion at all - admittedly Gideon's is better but ur fucked one way or another - Gideon's involves lying and Moonboot's involves a certain amount of cowardice... actually doing nothing arguably involves a greater portion of cowardice.

So I repeat my advice - look for alternative employment before things tumble down - one way or the other.

The Henry Rollins method however does not require cowardice, but I forgot to mention that you should look like this while practising it:

care to start giving me some stick then?

so this is your only contribution to the thread, highlighting someone else's opinion you disagree with and requesting others to 'give stick', yet not giving your own opinion on the topic? that makes you a shit-stirrer.

might just go and dig up some of your old posts and ask people to give you stick for them

Not getting at you mate, they know you need/want it and abuse that situation badly.

been there worked the hours and got shafted after. 80+ hour weeks to help the company not nose dive. sleeping 5 nights a month on the company floor, missing family, no extra payments, no wage increase when things were ok and worse the management accepted those hours as the norm and acted accordingly like a bunch of royal wankers. but shit yeah the company is still there.
the only thing i got out of the situation is that i will never put that amount of time and effort into anything i do not see the benfits from be they time or money. oh and a tatoo on myforehead in mirror writting L O O F so that every time i get up i remind myself of it.
not knowing this womens history she may have been through the same.

as for the expenses if worked in a fair few smaller companies and now of afew mid size ones where management expense control is a foriegn concept. glad to see yours has twigged on to the fraud that takes place.

@ashoo oh yeah we're all innocent.

well i dont have a computer at home and use my work (belongs to company) laptop at home. it has software not issued by the company and if it gets a virus it gets sorted out by the company IT. so I saved a couple of 1000 yoyos by not buying me own laptop...the company is not doing well, should I be fired or given a warning?!

sorry forgot, if its your boss doing it. do you whistle blow the authorities is what i meant, and would that constitute a break in their contract they coerced you to sign?

do you have the access codes to the swiss slush funds bank accounts on it?

I may be stating the bleeding obvious but why did you even bother asking the rest of us ???

It seems you have already decided what you feel about the way she is acting and what you should do doesn't it ?

You're barking up the wrong tree, he's not the one that started the thread.

Hey now and be friendly to the lurkers. I like when they jump into the fray like that. Surprised no one used the stick on him for the Pol Pot comment though.

Hey I once went to a faux asian place with a Hot pol Pot on the menu. Very strange. I ate Pol Pot, I ate Pol Pot!

Did it taste anything like Dog Meat Hotpot?

No but I think the real pol pot died shortly thereafter. Coincidence? You decide.

Dear Boss,

It is my ethical and professional duty to report a serious and disturbing misconduct here at work. Recently I have become aware of a constant indecent and uncooperative behaviour by one of your employees that can no longer remain unexpressed.

However, due to this rather delicate situation, you will understand that I do have scruples denunciating someone who has previously been working for your company full of vim and vigor. But I have come to a point where remaining silent could indeed not only harm your own financial position but also risk the continuity of your company as a whole and therefore my personal career within.

I know that by law working hours here are restricted to 7.8 hours a day. Employees are furthermore granted a 45 minute lunch break, as well as one coffee break of 15 minutes to be taken either between 10am and 11am or 3pm and 4pm. Most employees conduct their time management accordingly and do not try to abuse this system in any way whatsoever. Except one disloyal, immoral and tedious cunt: myself.

To my personal disgust I have been abusing this system to the extreme whenever it deemed possible. In other words daily. I have been arriving late every single morning now for quite a few months without complaints by my co-workers who continue to arrive approximately one and a half hours before I do. The only difference being I maliciously falsify my time stamp to make it appear I arrive with everyone else. It's inexcusable but I have used the same cheating conduct by leaving early on every possible occasion as well.
To my astonishment no one else does it and none of my gullible colleagues ever even bother to say anything to me. I know I'm deliberately violating company rules and acting dishonestly but to be dead honest they don't deserve it any better.

However, now my wife has found out about my infidelity, I had to end my affair and promise to lead a dignified and faithful life "from A to Z or else" as she put it. Therefore there is no longer the need for me to abuse working hours in such a consistency and I find it is my humble duty to report my unchristian past today and ask for your unlimited forgiveness. I herewith promise I am a porn again employee and from today onwards will take full value of my working hours by filling in my gaps like Sheila, Pilsbury, Skids, Rigsby, Catalogue, Swaggly and Toots do (sorry but we all know you live in South West London, Sir) ie. by smoking on the loo, surfing the net for porn or other ulrelated work topics such as Toytown, reading totally non-financial newpapers and throwing paper planes out of the top window or at my aforementioned gullible colleagues.

Yours faithfully

Hey, still here just back to lurking... in a meeting with my fraudulent thieving pikey boss. Also was surprised I survived the pol pot comment

@bdave... those were my opinions on someone elses topic

@gids.. have thick skin , you wont offend me

wasnt looking to!
so thats why i hoped i hadnt offended.

Oh now he's going on about Pikeys, and its not even Friday. Someone really should get a rope.

Well BuLi I hope not to offend you either, but people who go "fact, fact fact" make me not want to read the rest of their post at all.

Sorry, blame it on my unhappy childhood or something.

Dear Didsbury,

i respect such honesty. the fact that you have been loyal to this company by bring such malpractice to our notice is commendable. you have abused the system, cheated and lied and all for your own personal reasons. would you please come to my office on friday at 5pm to discuss promotion possibilities to middle management. we need people like you now more than ever.

as for your wife dont worry, i've been shagging her every morning once you left the house.

Yours faithfully



ps could you send me your porn links.

hey..wasn't offended at all... my writing style can be a little 'short' wasn't trying to sound like a tosser (it comes naturally )

Coming "naturally" rather than tossing eh? Do elaborate.

How did you and your colleagues ever see the timesheets? She could complain about you doing that.

Just because your colleagues complain does NOT mean they are innocent of the practice. She just may be worse or they are deflecting criticism.

Finally, my advice, don't confront her. You could ask her opinion on timekeeping and accuracy. But better, ask the boss what his policy is on time report accuracy. You could mention that it seems some employees are more accurate than others. Do not indicate it's one person or he'll want to know who or conduct a witch hunt. Best outcome is he sends out a memo reminding people of the need to be accurate.

He may be fully aware of her practice and have even told her to do it, in lieu of a raise (unlikely, but how would you know?).

Oops sorry BuLi, got the wrong end of the stick there

I love you Didsbury's Daftest!!!

Guys thanks for all your advice!!!

that became an issue at my office. There were assistants that recorded every minute and break they took and others that would round up the hours, and try to remember if they took a break. So my bosses instilled a sign policy- they had to sign the time sheets from the girls every day (usually they did this every few days) and it was quickly found out who does and doesn't have morals and work ethic. One of the girls, on prob, was let go last year because of it. Now, all the girls in the office have extra jobs to do, but some take more time than others... and some of us others in the office were asked if the girls were working or out smoking. I was always honest. My office is a small business, that did go thru some tough times last year, there were layoffs, and all had to work more, but we pulled together, worked hard, and guess what, because we helped out so much, our bosses took us away for a weekend to a nice B+B in the mountains, and have been getting small bonuses. So, even though its not my company, but I do take my job serious, I do believe hard work and honest rewards one.

Talk to her, if you feel awkward about it, then grab one of the other collegues that won't leave you hanging, to talk to her. If she still does it, it hurts all of you, then go to your boss. But that is just my opinion.

I agree with Darkknight on this one. If you suspect that she's being dishonest in her time sheet then report her to the boss. Anything more than that is not your job. Make your boss do his/her job and reprimand her. And gently remind him/her that this could negatively impact all of you as this is a small firm that is experiencing problems at the moment. Make your boss do their fucking job!