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German faux-pas

German etiquette according to Wikipedia

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pike
Germany currently holds the record for the number of faux-pas listed on Wikipedia - a whopping 35 are listed ...more than for the Middle East (12 faux-pas listed), India (20), Japan (18), the UK (19), or the US (26). Not sure what that says about our beloved hosts...

Many I'd have thought are pretty universal... some are just plain daft. Anyway, here's a selection of the whackier faux-pas listed at Wikipedia - List of faux pas.

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The North American custom of eating with just a fork is considered bad table manners.
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Letting one or both hands rest under the table or on your lap during eating is considered bad table manners


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When clinking glasses you are supposed to look into the person's eyes who you are toasting. Not doing so results in seven years of bad luck (or, more specifically, bad sex).
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German pubs (especially less modern ones) commonly feature a bell hanging over the counter, facing the customers. Don't be tempted to ring it, unless you intend to pay for a round for the whole bar.


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Putting your glass down on the table after clinking glasses (and before drinking) is considered rude in some parts of Germany. It is said to "invalidate" the "Prost" (Cheers). One exception to the rule is in southern Bavaria, where it is customary to put your glass down on the table briefly before drinking.
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Especially in the north of Germany, using a candle to light a cigarette is said to kill a fisherman.
Renia
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Asking an unfamiliar woman for her weight or age (especially if she appears older than yourself) is rude

I think asking a "familiar" woman wouldn't go down well either!!
Carm
but they do! mad.gif
Renia
I now lie...about both!
Carm
I am not a good liar! ohmy.gif
mere
ehh people never guess my age right.
MonksTown
But clinking your beer glass down briefly after prosting in southern Bavaria is NOT the done thing in left-wing company.

Many a foreign visitor is tempted by the bell that hangs in many local pubs.
There used to be one in my old local and it was fun on your birthdfay to really ring it hard. smile.gif
Renia
In Saxony on the weekend, the company I was in did not do the "looking into the eyes thing". I was shocked and appalled! When I made a fuss, they did it once in a mocking way...
planetmoni
i think they are all true :-). i remember when i was a child and my parents took me to the States, they told me not to copy the american eating habits...
Jenny L
QUOTE (Renia @ Nov 13 2006, 9:10 pm) *
In Saxony on the weekend, the company I was in did not do the "looking into the eyes thing".

They couldn't see straight anyway by the 4th shot of tequila. wink.gif
Adi
Seems like a stupid list to me. Almost all of the 'peculiarly German' manners apply equally to Britain. And we could probably find a few additional items in Britain that don't cause any offence in Germany. Eg: Queue-jumping. dry.gif
Renia
QUOTE (Jenny L @ Nov 13 2006, 9:27 pm) *
They couldn't see straight anyway by the 4th shot of tequila.

Is that a valid excuse...? I was still doing it after 4 Maß and numerous cocktails at Oktoberfest...I guess they don't make em like they used to!
sarabyrd
Knocking your glass on the table after prosting is not necessary universal to Southern Germany, but you should do it with a Weißbier as the yeast settles at the bottom between swills and knocking the glass on the table swirls it up again.
gills
Oh lord, I just read the one for Canada, that's definitely gotta rival Germany - it has 3 sub-sections, for cripes sake!!!

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Walking with an open umbrella under awnings is seen as rude.
waaaa??? blink.gif

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In a small public washroom, people will often wait for the washroom to empty before defecating or farting. It is a nice gesture to leave a washroom quickly if there is someone in the stall.

Bwwwaaa haaa haaa haaa laugh.gif No way. A Newfie wrote that one, I bet.
Carm
I don't know, I sort of follow those 'Canadian' faux-pas, even here in Germany. I do believe there is a lack of Umbrella ettiquette here. huh.gif
Scogs
QUOTE (Jenny L @ Nov 13 2006, 9:27 pm) *
They couldn't see straight anyway by the 4th shot of tequila.

What were they drinking before the tequila? 4 doesnt need years of sustained practice
MunichMag
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Smoking in non-smoking areas is considered to be very rude. In certain environments (e.g. restaurants) smokers are expected to ask people in close proximity if smoking is allowed for before lighting a cigarette: "Stört es Sie/Dich wenn ich rauche?" (Is it OK if I smoke?).

I guess they forgot to actually tell the Germans about this one. It seems like whenever I see a no smoking sign there is someone standing next to it smoking. And as for asking people nearby in restaurants if it's ok to smoke, I'll believe it when I see it!!
Kay
QUOTE (MunichMag @ Nov 13 2006, 10:39 pm) *
In certain environments (e.g. restaurants) smokers are expected to ask people in close proximity if smoking is allowed for before lighting a cigarette: "Stört es Sie/Dich wenn ich rauche?"

And pigs might fly! laugh.gif
Dostoyevsky
I wonder what embarrassing situations arise if one follows those 'tips.'
MichiS
QUOTE (sarabyrd @ Nov 13 2006, 10:08 pm) *
Knocking your glass on the table after prosting is not necessary universal to Southern Germany

Actually, this habit derives from cheering people of a different guild ("Innung").
Nobody wanted to be friends with members of a different guild. When drinking together you "have to" cling your glasses together. But to show your dislike to the others you put your glass back on the table before drinking.

Even though nowadays it is regarded as friendly behavior, but usually only "Prolls" use it.
Owain Glyndwr
QUOTE (pike @ Nov 13 2006, 7:53 pm) *
Especially in the north of Germany, using a candle to light a cigarette is said to kill a fisherman.

this is an interesting one actually. OK, well not really but there is a story attached to it. Back in "Ye Olden Dayes" fishermen used to supplement their income during the winter months (when they couldn't fish as often) by making and selling matches. The expression came about by implying that if you didn't use matches you deprived the fishermen of their income and they would starve to death.
Renia
QUOTE (Scogs @ Nov 13 2006, 10:22 pm) *
What were they drinking before the tequila? 4 doesnt need years of sustained practice

Probably about 10 beers...
iain
QUOTE (gills @ Nov 13 2006, 10:12 pm) *
Oh lord, I just read the one for Canada, that's definitely gotta rival Germany - it has 3 sub-sections, for cripes sake!!!
waaaa???

Yes Canadians seem to be a sensitive bunch.

QUOTE (faux-pas @ Nov 13 2006 10:12 pm) *
Bwwwaaa haaa haaa haaa No way. A Newfie wrote that one, I bet.

Buddy I'd watch it. Newfoundland has a totally different set of faux-pas than the mainland and a mainlander calling a Newfoundlander a Newfie is one of them.
MoiLV
QUOTE (Adi @ Nov 13 2006, 9:36 pm) *
Seems like a stupid list to me. Almost all of the 'peculiarly German' manners apply equally to Britain. And we could probably find a few additional items in Britain that don't cause any offence in Germany. Eg: Queue-jumping.

Exactly. It's too bad things like "not holding doors open for women/elderly/people in general" or "refusing to allow women/people exit their row into the aisle on the bus/airplane" or "not saying please and thank you" aren't considered faux pas in this country.
MonksTown
QUOTE (MoiLV @ Nov 14 2006, 11:53 am) *
"refusing to allow women/people exit their row into the aisle on the bus/airplane"

Bullshit. Look at the sideways swivel on the U-Bahn to let people out of the inner seats. I see it EVERY day! smile.gif
MichiS
QUOTE (MoiLV @ Nov 14 2006, 11:53 am) *
Exactly. It's too bad things like "not holding doors open for women/elderly/people in general" or "refusing to allow women/people exit their row into the aisle on the bus/airplane" or "not saying please and thank you" aren't considered faux pas in this country.

Are these mentioned on other countries' list?
hams
MT - Just cause they don't want their toes tread on, or shoes ruined! rolleyes.gif
boomtown_rat
QUOTE (MoiLV @ Nov 14 2006, 11:53 am) *
refusing to allow women/people exit their row into the aisle on the bus/airplane

women in a separate category to people? ohmy.gif Not sure if that should be interpreted as a compliment or an insult to women
Kay
QUOTE (MichiS @ Nov 14 2006, 11:57 am) *
Are these mentioned on other countries' list?

Probably not, but then it's not in many other countries that saying "please" and "thank you" is an exception rather than the rule.
MoiLV
QUOTE (boomtown_rat @ Nov 14 2006, 11:58 am) *
women in a separate category to people? Not sure if that should be interpreted as a compliment or an insult to women

Yes, I hate women. Women suck. Insult insult insult all the way.
Hammonia
QUOTE (pike @ Nov 13 2006, 7:53 pm) *
Especially in the north of Germany, using a candle to light a cigarette is said to kill a fisherman.

QUOTE (Adi @ Nov 13 2006, 9:36 pm) *
Seems like a stupid list to me.

It's absolutely not a stupid list.

Do you want to be responsible for the death of a fisherman when lighting a cigarette? Eh?
That's a very serious thing!

BTW, it also causes cancer to light a cigarette on a candle. wink.gif

Also, the putting down the glass after clinking glasses is essential.
There's abt. 100 different explanations for it - I prefer this one:
it's for earthening, so to speak thanking god (or the gods, depends on whatever religion you are into biggrin.gif) for the nice beer...
MichiS
QUOTE (Kay @ Nov 14 2006, 12:00 pm) *
Probably not, but then it's not in many other countries that saying "please" and "thank you" is an exception rather than the rule.

Being German makes me probably a bit blindeyed about the situation but, saying "thank you" and "please" is actually very normal with the people I usually communicate with. I would regard it as unpolite either if not adressed properly. But it doesn't happen to me very often I don't get tretaed nicely. But maybe my bodystature helps with it.
iain
I think the point is more that English speaking people tend to say please and thanks all the time, for things that just doesn't warrant it hear and may seem out of place. I actually only noticed it when I first went home after a year in germany.
Eleanor Rigby
QUOTE (MichiS @ Nov 14 2006, 1:01 pm) *
But maybe my bodystature helps with it.

What's your body stature? blink.gif
iain
He's saying he's a big old lad, or actually maybe he's saying he's a midget blink.gif
MichiS
Usually I'm a mean looking giant
Eleanor Rigby
I'm generally quite polite to mean looking giants. laugh.gif
The_Tek_Guy
Gotta love those kinds of etiquette lists that are mostly detached from reality. Clinking glasses is obviously not a habit exclusive to Germany and I for one believe that you really should loook into the other persons eyes, it's just a matter of tact. In Russia, women should always clink last with a stranger - this is supposed to bring them luck in love.
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