It's just a good news day isn't it.
I can't find a link yet, because its breaking news, but it's just been reported on CNN.
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Rumsfeld has resigned
Defense Secretary is Bush's sacrificial scapegoat
GW's going to broadcast a statement soon, should be interesting.
Now if only we can get Bush and Cheney to follow, or at least get someone to pull a Kennedy on them.
QUOTE (jml @ Nov 8 2006, 7:02 pm) 
And its on... Bush talking, news analysts say Robert Yates is taking over.
and its official. rumsfield is out. bob gates is in, ex director of cia, current president of texas a&m university.
ps: sorry for the type robert *yates* was a serial killer.
WOW
Bob Gates... I almost full outta my chair at first.. I thought it said Bill Gates... Yah, he prob. has enought $ to bribe Bush for the job..
Sometime, just sometimes, I get a little giddy about our democracy. Today was good, but not giddy. But this news does it! What a great 24 hours!
side note only football fans would understand:a freaking AGGIE at the helm. Heaven help us.
Do I take that to mean that he's from Texas too?
Bush claiming that Rummy's resignation was accepted yesterday when he (Bush) thought they were still in position to win the elections. Actually said "shows what I know".
I love it when Bush is on the back foot. He says "errr" one hell of a lot... That is one unhappy and very worried man talking to the press right now... Wonderful to watch
Bob Gates Wikipedia page is already updated... fast, huh?
QUOTE (Jeeves @ Nov 8 2006, 7:16 pm)
Do I take that to mean that he's from Texas too?
Yes, his nomination has to get approved but A&M is about as Texas *stereotype* as it gets. Ask Clepto, Gates is the sitting head of her university.
This is better Wednesday evening entertainment than the Champions League
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Embattled Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, one of the architects of the increasingly unpopular Iraq war, has announced he will resign today. Former CIA Director Robert Gates will replace him.
To read more, visit http://www.boston.com
To read more, visit http://www.boston.com
The Beeb has done their usual job of cleaning up the snippets they broadcast so there aren't any 'er's left. Spose I'll have to find a clip on youtube.
Now theres a real modern reason for Thanksgiving !
Wow. Bush really thought they would keep control of both houses. He's acknowledged though that the elections were close and the cumulative effect was a "thumping".
WOW
Oh happy day! I really didn't think it could get much better.
Cry me a river, Rummy.
Cry me a river, Rummy.
ah sorry thumping = texas slang for ass kicking.
he event went so far as to say "thumping is a polite way of saying you know..." got a few laughs for that one.
he event went so far as to say "thumping is a polite way of saying you know..." got a few laughs for that one.
QUOTE (georgiagirl @ Nov 8 2006, 7:29 pm)
Oh happy day! I really didn't think it could get much better.
Wait two years...
Fucker's so incompetent it took him this long to realise it. That and it's an attempt to have a scapegat for the Republican losses and hope they can clean up the rest of the cronies' images.
woof.
woof.
wahoo! there is a god! (or at least something finally, hopefully, turning things around)
Halleujah!!!
Wheres BadBob for this party. Come on BadBob you can bring your red ass out here.
Where is BadBob today?! Missing his eloquent analysis
edit: obviously with dolfan on this
edit: obviously with dolfan on this
what difference is this resignation going to make really?
He's done - clips should be posted soon. Basically said its time to move forward blah, blah, blah.
Bush at his best. Actually he was rather tenative, I like to read scared, but Im just an optimist. I doubt he realizes how hard the next 2 years are going to be for him.
Can anyone with more political insight than me, inform us what we are getting to replace Rumsfield?
Can anyone with more political insight than me, inform us what we are getting to replace Rumsfield?
QUOTE (jml @ Nov 8 2006, 8:18 pm)
Yes, his nomination has to get approved but A&M is about as Texas *stereotype* as it gets. Ask Clepto, Gates is the sitting head of her university.
Yeap, the normal Texans go to UT During the Presidential elections, everyone was wearing Bush T-shirts in the colors of the University and you could buy them at the University-gear stores at the mall I only saw one person with a blue shirt saying "vote for Kerry". I haven't seen her ever since
During the Presidential elections, everyone was wearing Bush T-shirts in the colors of the University and you could buy them at the University-gear stores at the mall 
I only saw one person with a blue shirt saying "vote for Kerry". I haven't seen her ever since 
This university/town has a huge corps of cadets, the Bush Presidential library, Bush avenue, some Barbara Bush lane or something like that, xenophopic bars and the most scary bumper stickers around. It's definitely Bush land.
But, College Station votes Democrat (Chet Edwards, also an Aggie) mainly because students are not registered here and professors are.
edit: but of course, this says nothing about Gates.
ah clepto, texas was historically run by conservative democrats, here's a tidbit thats usually shocking to outsiders:
that basically ended with clinton, as he was the first democrat to take the house ohne texas. texas for its part was to busy splitting its votes between homegrown bush and whats his name, ross perot.
FAQ Source: Handbook of Texas Online.
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Previously, Democrats had to win Texas in order to win the presidency; no Democrat had won the White House since Texas entered the Union in 1845 without carrying the state.
that basically ended with clinton, as he was the first democrat to take the house ohne texas. texas for its part was to busy splitting its votes between homegrown bush and whats his name, ross perot.
FAQ Source: Handbook of Texas Online.
I got an open letter/email from Gates yesterday regarding an offensive video posted on the internet, in case you care to read it (I guess its OK to post this ) I'm only posting pieces of it cause it's too long.
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Yesterday was a sad day for Texas A&M. It was brought to my attention
that individuals who appear to be Aggie students had posted to a public
web site a home-made video that is so utterly disgusting that,
regardless of race, religion, or background, I believe virtually any
member of our Aggie family would be outraged and ashamed if they viewed
it. The content of the video is offensive on many levels and would be
so to all Aggies, but is particularly insulting and hurtful to members
of our Black community. The hateful video is not simply an example of
poor judgment and insensitivity; it appears to have been purposefully
produced to insult and demean. ...
I cannot fully express my disappointment and embarrassment that Texas
A&M students may have been involved in this matter. While I respect
and value the constitutional right to free speech, I can neither
condone nor accept that right being disrespected in this manner. ...
...
I deeply regret that anyone was hurt by viewing the video, or simply
knowing or hearing about it. At a time when Texas A&M is doing more
than ever to attract, retain and graduate a diverse student body, the
damage done by the insensitivity of two or three individuals is
immeasurable. I am extremely disappointed by their behavior, but even
more saddened by the hurt this might bring to many members of our
campus and extended communities.
Finally, I am truly outraged by this moronic video. Those who made it
are no true Aggies, and I expect they will have to live with the
consequences of their actions in this matter for a very long time.
Robert M. Gates, President
Texas A&M University
that individuals who appear to be Aggie students had posted to a public
web site a home-made video that is so utterly disgusting that,
regardless of race, religion, or background, I believe virtually any
member of our Aggie family would be outraged and ashamed if they viewed
it. The content of the video is offensive on many levels and would be
so to all Aggies, but is particularly insulting and hurtful to members
of our Black community. The hateful video is not simply an example of
poor judgment and insensitivity; it appears to have been purposefully
produced to insult and demean. ...
I cannot fully express my disappointment and embarrassment that Texas
A&M students may have been involved in this matter. While I respect
and value the constitutional right to free speech, I can neither
condone nor accept that right being disrespected in this manner. ...
...
I deeply regret that anyone was hurt by viewing the video, or simply
knowing or hearing about it. At a time when Texas A&M is doing more
than ever to attract, retain and graduate a diverse student body, the
damage done by the insensitivity of two or three individuals is
immeasurable. I am extremely disappointed by their behavior, but even
more saddened by the hurt this might bring to many members of our
campus and extended communities.
Finally, I am truly outraged by this moronic video. Those who made it
are no true Aggies, and I expect they will have to live with the
consequences of their actions in this matter for a very long time.
Robert M. Gates, President
Texas A&M University
Surprisingly Fox news is covering a train wreck in Florida and flooding in Washington State and then oh by the way, we got "thumped" yesterday and our boy Rumsfield "resigned", so back to you in Florida Claire.
QUOTE (planetmoni @ Nov 8 2006, 7:44 pm)
what difference is this resignation going to make really?
dunno - i'd quite like to know that, as well
Now Bush is speaking again especifically about this change with both Rumsfeld and Gates by his side.
I don't know enough about Gates to say that any real change will occur, but it is certainly indicates a changing of the guard and a White House on the run. Bush has been adament that Rumsfield will stay, through heavy handed criticism, but he has now changed course. Is this going to make Iraq a popular tourist destination in the next 6 months?? Of course not, but it signals a change in the approach Bush is taking and hopefully indicates that bush is going to listen to us a little more for the next 2 years.
Besides, Rumsfeld is a twat among twats and one less is always good.
Besides, Rumsfeld is a twat among twats and one less is always good.
What difference will this make? Well, from a personal point of view I think it will help the inevitable co-operation between the dems and republicans with regards to national security and, especially, the war in Iraq. Rumsfeld is hated by many and the democrat majority certainly would have been very hesitant in dealing with him... Nobody was willing to trust Rumsfeld's judgement anymore
Make room for the next corrupt liar..
My Ass.
My Ass.
Was that post worth going incognito??
Don't forget that Gates had a hard time getting confirmed as head of the CIA in 1991 because of "accusations that he had slanted intelligence."
Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/us/polit...artner=homepage
The part I quote is on the second page.
The more things change...
Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/us/polit...artner=homepage
The part I quote is on the second page.
The more things change...
lets hope this is the beginning of the end of the Bush regime and the USA can once again be accepted back as a valued member of the international communiity
They are still getting away too lightly. I'd like to see them tried for crimes against humanity.
See ya Don, don't let the doorknob hit'cha...as the saying goes.
Once again, Daddy bails out DimSon with another Bush I retread. I predict the Senate will not confirm him.
Once again, Daddy bails out DimSon with another Bush I retread. I predict the Senate will not confirm him.
Gates had his finger in the Iran Contra scandal didn't he?
QUOTE (Janx Spirit @ Nov 9 2006, 12:22 pm)
Gates had his finger in the Iran Contra scandal didn't he?
Blatantly ripped off Wiki:
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Owing to his senior status in the CIA, Gates was close to many figures who played significant roles in the Iran-Contra Affair and was in a position to have known of their activities. The evidence developed by Independent Counsel did not warrant indictment of Gates for his Iran-Contra activities or his responses to official inquiries.
Notice the careful wording "was in a position to have known" and "evidence developed by Independent Counsel". Meaning in my opinion, "He was in it up to his neck, we just couldn't access the conclusive evidence".
<Gates> Looks like the cat's got both of your tongues..the democats
You cant get to the top govt. positions without a few scandals, wrongdoings, stepping on toes, making enemies along the way. It is a qualification required for the job.
now if someone could just assassinate that condaliza rice woman, the world would be such a better place.
I heard Condi has already got her post-government career lined up.
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