Carry-on baggage restrictions on flights

Hi,

I thought this email might be of use to people who use Lufthansa regularly, the following is a security update with regards to what liquids you can and can't bring on the plane with you when flying with them.

Lufthansa - carry-on baggage:


Which I guess is good news that you can now bring deo with you ! Anyway it continues

Which is all fair and good. But everyone wants to know about duty free


At least they are making an effort to clarify things. But I don't really get why codeshare flights don't apply.

No, it is most definitely not "well and good". This whole restriction on liquids is a load of bullshit, cooked up by a bunch of people with police powers to scare you and get you to submit willingly to further and further controls of your privacy and freedom. Thomas C. Greene wrote an excellent analysis about why the whole liquids scare was a load of bollox.

Nevertheless, the people haven't spoken up, complained or refused to travel and the airlines love it because you can carry even less while "security" prevents passengers from bringing their own booze on the flight, allowing the airlines to charge you for €5 per mini bottle. "We didn't make the rules," they all say. All based on a bullshit claim.

woof.

I agree that it's 'well and good'. for me it's no big deal to buy a drink on the flight rather than bringing my own. people got used to not taking nailfiles/scissors/knitting needles/etc on flights they'll get used to these new regulations too. fact is many of us still have to fly to get to where we want to go so refusing to travel in protest may not be an option.

Salon.com has an interesting weekly column called Ask the Pilot. Here's part of his take on the carry-on-liquids-in-a-baggy thing, as currently administered in the US:


The story before this quote about how he got busted for some hand sanitizer NOT in a ziploc bag is pretty amusing, too.

These regulations will be EU-wide, for ALL airlines beginning 6 November, btw.

be aware that if you fly to the UK and try to return, every single piece of liquid in youtrr handluggage will be confiscated. Last week I had a tiny cigarette lighter that was removed from my jacket and confiscated and I saw people having perfume, toothpaste and lipstick removed too.

Its state-stealing. The old-fashioned word was "income tax"

Bingo!

Talking of UTTER TWAT bullshit:

Remember hose "terrorists" from Forest Gate, East London?
The ones where the police spent £ 2 million on raiding their house?

Well they were never charged with any terrorist offences but the police fed the story to the media that there was evidence of their involvement in child porngraphy:

Innocent of that too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6092624.stm

I would trust the new TWAT industry and politcos if they told me the sky was blue.

For the record, OG made it through security on Saturday with several large bottles of shampoo and other liquid toiletries in his hand-luggage. They didn't say a thing nor did they ask to see the contents of his black wet bag.

ER: you mean security here at Munich?

Yes, in Munich. There are signs posted with the new restrictions but staff didn't seem to be paying attention.

EDIT: ah I see now, this goes into effect November 6, 2006

I know someone who had their Marmite confiscated from their carry on luggage!
My daughter flew from Düsseldorf to Munich with a pair of scissors in her handbag!

Was OG flying to the US?

I think that's the only country with a carry-on liquids restriction when flying to the country right now. You can't fly out of the UK with them, but you can fly in, is my understanding. The EU-wide rules haven't started yet.

this all looks very knee jerk to me

Probably in one of those dangerous old glass jars, don't you know.

No the flight was to Beijing via Vienna on LH

Anyway the signs are up but they aren't implementing it as of yet.

I just wish I could trust all those security checks to be done properly.

Coming back from holiday on Saturday night, while rummaging through my handbag I was horrified to find a (biggish) nail file that I'd unwittingly carried on to four different flights during the week! Not a single security check had detected it.

Really? I think this has taken them a while to decide this(After the shoe bomber episode, the very next day EVERYONE was being told to take off their shoes), in fact I thought the whole liquid thing had calmed down since. I'm surprised they are doing it at all.

Only stops me really from talking a load of beer on board.

yes, that's right. Bloody pain in the arse too. They are also very strict on the single bag rule from the UK but not to it.

If you're quick, you can still take the beer on, 3 Lions.

But you have to open every bottle and take a drink from each at security!

so what happens to all the stuff they confiscate do they keep it themselves , bin it or give it to the homeless

Not flying till the 14th December!! Will have to tell me Mammy she cant have any weissbier this Christmas.

I think it's binned, coolerking, although I talked to someone in the US who personally gave a nice bottle of scent to a female security worker, when the passenger realized she'd forgotten to take it out of her handbag. I suppose in that case, security can keep it.

Well I flew into Frankfurt last week from Portland and for the first time in four years I did not get the " random" selection check which actually worried me a bit ( maybe I had lost that "lost" look in my eyes). Yet I almost made a mistake when at the last minute I realised I had my exacto knife still in my handbag. The new changes will bite though for I have always enjoyed travelling out of the U.S. with the more relaxed approach displayed by the Europeans.

Really I had to dump my entire bag out (including every single item in my makeup bag) because I forgot I had a fingernail clippers in there. The people waiting behind me in the security lines HATED me.


Perhaps it was like a death wish--as in "Here, dear coworker, have this pretty bottle of perfume (I secretly hope it's deadly poison)."

I think I might not have made myself clear on my last post. My friend, the passenger had the bottle of (as yet unopened) scent in her handbag, and then she herself gave it to the security checker lady when it was found, because she thought someone might as well have it instead of going in the bin.

Maybe it should have gone to the homeless, though!

Of course it is. And there are many other examples in modern life.

IMHO its all due to the media that screams for sensationalism & no politician dares to say "its OK as it is"...
The power nowadays is with the media & not politicians...

@cinzia- Ohhh. I thought you meant the lady security guard's colleagues gave it to her. Sorry.

Well on a sort of positive note about the baggage restrictions, my mom flew back home to California the weekend after the terrorist plots(from Heathrow much less) when you were only allowed a small plastic bag, period. she said she'd never seen people get in and out of a plane so quick- none of extra waiting while people sift thru endless carry-ons..

Its true that many people have an optimistic view of what "one piece of carry-on luggage" is...

Usually those who have their LH Senator-Card as they are officially entitled of having two. At least on LH flights.

@HEM, you're getting to the crux of the matter.

Once they've instituted these "safeguards", when will they ever be revoked? Is someone going to step up and say, "OK, we don't need these rules anymore"? No. How can they say that, when the rules were never needed in the first place?

At what point will someone in authority be able to say, "OK, yesterday these rules were necessary, but not today." I find it a bit alarming that apparently someone with authority in the EU is actually implying that we will need these ziploc-baggy security measures after November 6, but not before.

They're probably busy trying to source huge enough rubbish bins for the job - and then having them customised to comply with environmental laws...

how can we know for sure the rules were never needed in the first place though?

my mate's an air-hostess she rants about people who moan about restrictions on what one can take on as handluggage. isn't it more important we safely get to our destinations?

relatives who flew out of Southampton a few weeks ago were told at check-in what they were not allowed to take on as hand-luggage so they had the chance to transfer these items to their check-in luggage. no big deal.

when i moved here in 2005, i flew San Francisco to Munich, on LH and i managed to bring on a mini pepper spray for god's sakes! how THAT wasn't detected is beyond me. i had one of those small sprays attached to my keychain, in my large travel purse. didn't even notice it until we were in a hotel in Munich, unpaking...

If I thought they were really going to catch anyone who wants to do harm this way, I'd be more supportive. However, there are far too many stories of people getting through security with banned items they didn't even know they had. And no stories of some liquid tossed in the bin at security and blowing up.

Yes, a minor inconvenience, until you have to make a 10-hour flight with no lip balm.

Quite - or no toothpaste for a journey taking 24 hours...

Do not forget you can buy the stuff on the other side of security...inc. Toothpaste...you just can't take your own!!!

OK - so I am flying HAM-FRA-SFO-<another 4 hours on> (over Christmas)

So I have to buy toothpaste (or whatever) in SFO airport, used & throw 95% away
and do same proceedure at next airport.

Luckily I think they have eased up & a small tube toothpaste is OK.
How a zip plastic bag is to protexct us all from kingdom-come beats me.
Good idea on part of plastic-bag sellers...

You bet we avoided routing via LHR!!!

We are going to LHR in a few weeks time but that is final destination so no issue for a 1.5 hr flight...

Sounds like a plan to me!!!

Or don't brush your teeth...

The rules for now are the same for flying to the US as the ones about to be introduced here. You need a ziploc-type sandwich-sized bag, and you can put as many individual gel, liquid, or paste items that are each 3 oz. or less as will fit in the bag. So if you get a travel-sized toothpaste, you'll be OK.

However, you can't bring a full-sized toothpaste with less than 3 oz. left in it. The item must be labelled as 3 oz. or less.

To be very honest I've wanted to see alot more restriction on how much hand luggage you can take on a flight for some time now. Little bizniz peeps assume that they can take a laptop, some massive folding suit bag, some duty free and a briefcase on european flights, and its bloody inconsiderate.

As to the content of what you can take, well its simply bloody ridiculous. My woman forgot that she had a leatherman in her bag when we were coming back from italy, and it was nabbed. They ain't cheap man, and it was a present from somebody too. She was livid. Its insane. They won't let you take a nail file, in case you want to use it as a deadly weapon, but happily dish out glass bottles of beer. In a fight, I'd much prefer to be armed with 2 broken bottles than a flimsy nailfile.

Oh, and on longer flights, you simply NEED to take a massive amount of liquids on board, because you get thirsty, and they serve water in tiny little thimbles.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. They should simply hand over airport security to Paulaner or something. Obligatory beer and pork products for all before taking off. Secure against radical islamics, and delicious for everyone else.

You can take an electric shaver in your handluggage - and strangle the stewardess with the cord.
Or even your bare hands...

Its what the Germans call (& are excellent proponents of) AKTIONISMUS

I have been trying to train a monkey to stay quiet in my carry on luggage but he keeps getting out...

This ridiculous restriction has been in place in the US for some time. I noticed it two weeks ago when my US colleagues were getting ready to fly and complaining that they didn't have the right sized plastic bags.

Carry on baggage has always been defined as a "personal bag" - typically meaning a woman's purse, but bastardized into including briefcases, laptop bags, etc. in addition to the "one item of luggage".

Recently there has been enforcement of the restrictions on the size of the "personal bag", and now of course the restrictions beyond that.

One the one hand I have no patience for people who board a plane with 5 bags of shopping + other bags.

On the other this makes short business trips an even bigger pain in the arse.

I'm disappointed that the Germany and the EU have agreed to this as I've really enjoyed laughing at American and British colleagues who have been subjected to the draconian, panic-based reactions of those countries.

Unfortunately this will mostly be enforced by people who enjoy the mild power trip they get from seeing someone forced to discard expensive trinkets or miss their flights (particularly international->domestic connections) just to be subjected to an exhaustive bag search.

When I happen to have the time I enjoy giving the "security" employees a hard time. The most recent was via Heathrow where one line was required to remove their shoes (of course my line) while the next line did not. I vocally took issue to this differential treatment. The most disappointing of it was not the predictable response of the x-ray operator ("It's the rules, sir") but the acceptance by the elderly gentleman in line behind me: "Don't be such a trouble for the lass".

Don't cause trouble, get in line, keep your head down. blech.

When people start getting preferential treatment through security because they are pre-qualified or frequent travellers (yes I happen to be one) then perhaps someone will start remembering days in history where this happened and it was not good. Oh wait, it exists.

I dont know about there but in the US, absolutely everything has to go into the bin. Disgraceful when it first happened as they showed airport security in SF airport throwing away great bottles of wine from Napa away.


You can check a minikeg into the cargo hold no problem. Just wrap it well because it can condense.

And now the only way you can carry a handbag as carry-on luggage is either if that's all you're bringing on, or you can fit the handbag into a larger carry-on bag.

There would be less need for all that carry-on luggage if the airlines did a better job of making sure your luggage reaches your destination. You might only need one or two magazines or a book for in-flight entertainment, but then you've got to worry about going a day or more without a change of clothes, toiletries, etc.

I'm with bluedave as he has often posted on other threads, though. The most trouble is with people who fly infrequently and pack too much, don't know what the restrictions are, etc.

These regulations really suck for everyone. Its too long to go without toiletries on international flights too. Sure now they will let you have some mini containers - I used to just keep a bag on standby but these quantities are so small that I was constantly running out between flights.

So for people like me who dont like to use the airline toiletries or cant handle going without, I recommend stocking up on:

Oral B brushups - individually packaged finger brushes for your teeth...available at the Mueller.

Individual face cloths -various kinds also available at the Mueller. You can take the dry ones - like Olay and just add water in the airplane bathroom - make sure you have them wrapped separately. Or even better, the pre-moistened kind. Basis is a good brand but I dont know if its available there. Don't use the pre-moistened ones if they are NOT individually packaged by the manufacturer - they'll probably get tossed.

Contact lens containers - I put tylenol in one side. The standard can take 4 capsules so you can throw in your sleeping pills too and vitamins for the flight on the other side. I havent gotten stopped with them so far.

Hand sanitizers - Companies like purell are also making individually wrapped 1 use hand sanitizers. If you cant find those pre-packaged alcohol wipes should also work. I havent tried the latter though, but will do on my next flight if I cant get the 1 use hand sanitizers.

The items above will fit easily into your zip top bag, and for long trips, they dont take up much space so you can throw extras into your checked luggage for the return flight home.

This is by far the best post in this thread. Thumbs up for the proactive and positive approach JML. And thanks for the recommendations.

now that is a crazy restriction. You know how hard it its to refill a tube, what can somebody place in there?

... not to mention subversive...