Spurned Iraqi murders his ex-wife in Garching

OK, so I was just out in the motor at lunch and I caught the end of a news report about some Iraqi guy in Garching stabbing his wife to death then pouring petrol on her and burning the body.

Have I got it totally about face and it was actually in Iraq or what? As I said, I just caught the tail end of it.

It's official, Munich is no longer a "Toytown".

I read it in the SZ this morning in the Munich-section on the front page. Both him and his late wife are/were from Iraq. They got divorced a day ago. The next day he waited for her and killed her in front of their mutual 5 year old kid. Another neighbourhood kid sat on a fence at the time and saw the whole thing. He first stabbed her twice and then poured petrol over her and set her on fire. She died later in hospital. I guess her crime was getting divorced from him and he didn't want to accept that.

Gawd!!! Ego's and sentiments are so easily riled these days, makes me shudder to think what happens next. Is it the "stress" that we are all supposedly under, what brings out the animal in people that makes you want to kill!

Just checked it on the Police website and it was at 17.25 last night, right in front of their 5 year old son. What a total bastard !!

actually its frowned apon in arab societies if people get divorced, and plus, he probably abused her throughout their marriage, and just when she thought she escaped it all, he killed her.

Arab Guys are so f**king stupid, if she doesnt want you, get over it, not "LETS KILL HER".. their mentality sucks. same thing happened in London a few years back, but they were from Iran.

If say your wife was cheating on you, would you kill her?... i mean at first thats what id probably want to happen, but after a little time ill come to my senses and just realise the relationship is over.

what do you guys think, your views on your reaction to your wife, or husband cheating?..

That's a thought worth a new thread.
The police "think that the crime was premeditated". Considering that carrying a knife and a canister of gasoline is not something everyone does every day they just might have a point there.

yes but there are people who only based their actions on their first reaction, if you understand what im trying to say.

although i might feel very emotional and distressed, i would compose myself to find a more logical solution.

Was it unleaded?

666 - Your original post containing misguided generalisations really sucks.

Any type of domestic violence, leading to injury or death is reprehensible. To do it in front of their five year old son makes it even more so, and the lasting effects are unimaginable.

Why 'probably'? Because he's from Iraq, and that's what 'they' all do?

Is everything a controversy with you people (yes I mean all of you, generalized like and definitely insulting). He just got done stabbing her and then dousing her with gas, all that in front of his 5 year old kid, because she wanted out of the relationship. I would venture to guess that he did in fact abuse her while married. I don't give a shit if he is white, black, brown, American, German or Iraqi.

That's definitely not what they all do, they're all to busy being islamofascistterorrists to be murdering their wives

No it's not a controversy, it's appalling and tragic.

But when a plonker like 666 comes along and writes sh*t, then I don't have a problem with correcting him.

Or marrying child brides...

Silly, you know you can't get that in Germany anymore. At least I think not.

According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung (German link) he was known to the police as violent.

I read about men killing their women every day in the paper. It is almost always relationship-related. Many German men also go back and kill their partners after they had left them. There has been many such cases in the papers lately. Seems to be normal. The brutality of this one and the fact that he did it in front of his own kid makes it very sensational and so the papers printed a fat article about this. Plus, they are both evil Muslims after all.

There have been several divorced murders in the streets of Munich - strangely enough it's always the ex-husband killing the ex-wife, no matter if they're Muslims or Christians. Maybe divorce courts should cooperate with the police when an ex-husband is known to be violent or to have threatened his ex-wife with violence during the divorce procedure.
Then again, one murder happened right around the corner from a Women's Shelter ...

my impression has been that in the recent years death of women murdered by their exes has increased. the sad things is had the woman gone to the police to tell them about the violent (ex)husband, they would told her to go home and that there is nothing they can do.

Not until he has attacked her. But by then it's mostly too late (see above). Germany, however, is working on an Anti-Stalking Law which should offer protection to stalkling victims of either sex and might be applied to women leaving or divorced from violent spouses.

So true! My sister was brutally mistreated by her ex. Now there are many voices saying that "certain women have this happening to them". I tell you this is bulldung. My sister doesn't normally take shit from anybody. She had a court order taken out to protect her from the f*cker. Had no effect. He then went and took a court oder against her for allegedly beating him up! My sister is a very petite woman. The judge just shook his head, but could do nothing against it. Law is law. So the police were unable to protect her, as the second court order effectively cancelled the first one regarding police intervention. She still gets terrorised by him basically every day. He has tried to kill her pets on more than one occasion as well. When she first reported this to the police, the police woman told her: "I don't think there's much we can do for you. In this town it is normal for men to beat up their women. Even the local preacher beats up his wife and he is mayor of the town." This is, obviously, in SA. But good Christian folk they all are.

A good Christian, Muslim & Jewish wife knows her place, and knows when not to speak. Her role is clearly defined within each religions good books, with suitable punishments should she overstep her mark.

Amen Brother Timmeh, that must be what the local preacher who beats up his wife thinks too, completely in accord with his holy book.

Timmeh, are you for real man? or just high?

Adjective of choice + nutter

I think that the adjective is wholly interchangeable: Iraqi, Religious, Political...

You are either a nutter or you are not - this chap clearly is.

He's definitely high. He thinks the All Blacks are going to win the next World Cup!

Oh I'm high alright, high on the love of GOD. And he says this regarding divorce:

"What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Mark 10:9).

According to the Sueddeutsche Zeitung of this morning, article in German, the man who killed his wife had a history of violence against women but the police could do nothing. He had repeatedly assaulted his wife until she, after police councelling, got the courage together to kick him out of their mutual home. Basically men, this means that if you go and beat up your wife or girlfriend you don't have to worry too much. The police will not be able to do a lot and, after all, it's only domestic violence (I have to think of that Tracy Chapman song "Behind the Wall"now).

According to this article, also in this morning's SZ, Ms Stephanie Badewitz, who works for the commissioner's office for the protection of victims, reports that the Munich police registered 2113 cases of violence against women in 2005 alone. To confirm with many prejudices, Ms Badewitz reports having made the experience over the years that Muslim men were responsible for a very high number of the cases. Ms Kerling is a councellor.

Religion with its influence on society is to blame for so much pain and trouble and suffering in the world that the International Court on Human Rights should ban it. No matter which one.

Sarabyrd for president! You have my vote.

So, what just because she "dared" to divorce her husband she deserved to be murdered or what?

If you're so hot on the word of God what about the commandment *Thou shalt not commit murder"??

I'm feeling a touch of deja vu here.
Bradcat, is that you?

Ag, Madgibson, and it's an eye for an eye and turn the other cheek and what have you. Bollocks it is, dangerous bollocks. All of it.

Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people.

Kidding aside, don't take the responsibility away from the individual. People may try to use religion as a justification for their actions but it's not excuse.

Your one Bible quote is heavily outweighed by God's true word of murder...our lord is a loving and forgiving lord:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)


Kill Homosexuals

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)


Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)


Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)


Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)


Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)


Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Now we need JML's link again to that Lego site with the bible stories. Bummer, I didn't bookmark.

It should be no excuse, but unfortunately lots of people use it as one so it doesn't help the situation much..

i think what 666 is trying to say is that, if this maniac was capable of commiting such a violent act (infront of his child also) then he probably had abused her, as that is obviously the mentality of this nut, i dont think he was suggesting that only arab men abuse their wives.

You can find violence against women in practically every society on the planet. Got nothing to do with religion - probably existed even before religion was invented. The thing about most religious texts is you can twist them around and interpret them to justify or condemn whatever takes your fancy. Banning religion isn't going to change human nature though.

Maybe not, but it's a step in the right direction

I think it certainly would.. at least how we percieve 'human nature' anyway.
Perhaps it wouldn't stop some people killing others, but definitely it would throw a spanner into the works for honour and revenge killings. They come from traditional religious ideas.

Religion is the most selfish thing. It is organised spirituality. It's only purpose is to try through fear and brute force to force you to conform to a set of rules of how and what you should believe in. People like the feeling, becuase they realise that their beliefs are weak and frail based on suppositions and ideas that are as silly as the stories that people laugh at now and call mythology. The point is when others believe like you do you get comfort in that because it reduces the temptation to doubt or to question, and it is even better that you can condemn the people who don't believe as you do. And even worse, no can can dispute religion, because it only serves to explain the unknown.

I get the impression from Muslims that the worst thing you can do is insult their manhood.A while back in Dorfen the Police took some guns off a muslim, problem was they forgot one.He loaded this up and went to the local Police station and killed some.There was one in the papers where the son of the family killed his sister for not marrying the ' chosen one'
Not just Arabs but the whole Muslim way of life.

steady on Mik. I believe what you are talking about is 'badal' or blood feud. It is something very specific to the Pathan culture in Afghanistan/Pakistan and to a lesser extent some other groups in Central Asia, Kurdistan, Turkey, Transcaucasia and some related groups in Pakistan and North India. There is no justification for it in the Qu'ran and, as a practice, it is roundly condemned as unislamic by most moslem scholars.

And just a little more clarification - 'Honour Killings' occur in the whole of the Indian Subcontinent, not just the Muslim areas. It is also an issue on the agenda of most governments.

Do you mean this one?

http://thebricktestament.com/

So, anyway, back on topic: He is denying having anything at all to do with the murder. He was arrested at the scene of the crime with her blood all over his hands in front of all the shocked witnesses who had seen him stab her and set her on fire. He should at least have the guts to say, "I done it". Or is that not part of his religion?

People who stab defenseless women and then burn them with petrol are not generally noted for their bravery. If he was a real man he would have accepted that he'd lost her and got on with his life. He's a coward, nothing to do with religion!

Further west, too - Turkey and Albania, for instance.

Dont forget Germany and the UK too