No general ban on smoking in bars and restaurants

Google leads direct to scientific pages and news magazines. Statistics are not published by google people

Age's only a matter if you want to marry me but I'll never ever marry a smoker

like someone said, this has been gone over lots here and you dont have the right (thankfully) to prohibit smokers from "common people's" insurance unless you also prohibit fat people who eat too many microwave meals and takeaways, people who dont do at least 30mins exercise a day, people who overdose on drugs, people who watch too much tv (think of the radiation), people who play games consoles (repetitive strain injury), people who play musical instruments (imagine if a guitar string jumped off and cut you)...

if however you choose to ban these people from the common man's insurance its either all or none and if you dont like smoking go somewhere where the landlord has CHOSEN to introduce a decent no smoking section or ban smoking from THEIR private establishment. i said it before too, but smoke is quite obvious (its grey and like a cloud) so you can easily avoid it. feel free to do so its not difficult!


well ive just moved out of a nonsmoking scotland and must say i enjoy the smoking continuing where i am in the pubs, and im a non smoking asthmatic.

grazzenger

Are you this kiddish person, with beer and cigarette in hands ? An excellent combination

100 at least man this guy must have a whole room full of used lighters.

it's all about risk silly. you can emotionalise it, or assess it. coconuts and shark attacks being a classic. (i think its 8 people die due to sharks and 120 to coconuts falling of trees per annum)

Actually age does matter sweetie as it puts some of your comments into perspective. It can help the people to whom you are trying to put forward your arguments to understand better where you are coming from.

We can talk about marriage later. I feel you are rushing me somewhat.

See, there's a German saying. "Alter schützt vor Dummheit nicht"


I agree in that point that against "junk food (industrial processed food) producers" also action should be taken. This already is part of political discussions. It's one of the reasons why health insurances have also to pay a lot. HERE you are correct and I agree. But smoking causes MORE damage.

Ok, if you enjoy smoking so much, why are you so inconsequent ? Start smoking yourself!

Inconsistent perhaps?

@Kylie_Bach, what's your opinion on non ciggie smokers that smoke the glorious herb, peace be upon it? Is it in the same bad-ass category?

made up toss!!! 1 in 3 scots are now obese and the sausage munchers cant be far behind. no way smoking is more harmful than that. i know people who are as fit as fiddles and who smoke. its all about the attitude.


i smoke occasionally, when i know it annoys people. i feel some people need taught a lesson

so you want to ban smokers but not junk food eaters. junk food itself doesnt do the damadge. its the lack of excersise and balance that does, and that has nothing to do with any processed food. (all food is industrialy produced by the way. agriculture being an industry an‘ that)

I didn't suggest that the possibility of you being older would lend weight to your arguments, nor in fact detract from them, simply that it might help to put some of your comments into perspective. If someone is making a piss weak argument and displaying the debating skills of a cabbage (no offence CabbageFairy) then a little extra information on the person, such as their age, might mitigate in their favour.

ok, i'm guessing at an early 20s, 'socially aware', german, female student with plenty of half-baked opinions but not enough experience of life to validate them. just a guess mind, but...

And, you ? Mid age 50 ? Fat stomach ? Smoking and drinking ? Sitting in front of TV ? Drinking beer and eating chips ?

well, you see, if you were half-sharp you could tell from my profile (which you've already found) that i'm in my 30s and not fat. how about a picture of you then? you seem to have a littel something against beer too and are far too uptight for your own good at such a young age. wait until you really have something to be angst-ridden about and then come back and post it.

Goodmorning Smoking Terrorists!

Anti-Smoking-Nazi's greeting you

Today morning how many of you already have enjoyed Your Daily Coughing Attacks ?

Today Morning not. I am infected with an Rhinovirus and so my coughings are not smokings related.

I think you are missing the point. In Britain if you are in a room of people 1 or 2 Smoke. in Germany it would be 1 or 2 who dont smoke so there is no support in Germany from the majority of people, its called democracy. I dont like the smoke but there you are.

Just some facts:

In UK, 26% of men smoke and 23% of women smoke (reference).
In Germany, 39% of men smoke and 31% of women smoke (reference).

Kylie

You're preaching to the converted (or at least more converted). Turn your ire on the GERMANS, who puff away like factory chimneys compared to almost all other Europeans (and most certainly compared to Anglo countries).

Interesting to see that amongst the 15 year olds the number of boys who smoke has fallen, but the number of girls has gone up. Purely by my own observations I reckon that would be the same here, so many young girls seem to smoke here. I wonder why that is?

@Allershausen: Fashion, and/or lack of understanding of the risks, ease of availability?

Fashion I could understand, but girls surely have the same knowledge as the boys and the availability is the same for both.

Even worms will refuse lunch after you will have died:

http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC040719/respir4.jpg

Hmmm, it could be easier for girls to buy stuff if they are under-age, don't know about the knowledge thing, maybe the girls are better/worse at risk assessment than boys :-)

like i actually care.

BTW it was announced yesterday that the first kidney has been succesfully grown via stem-cells . Other organs will follow. In 15 years time they believe that this will become routine.

So...

Instead of being someone who does nothing in their life im going to continue to drink, smoke, take drugs and do no exercise. So when the time comes i will pop down the local shop for a refit and jobs a good one.

BTWFOA

My I add, for the completeness of the arguments given, that non-smokers also die?

One person wrote along the lines of "if you want to DIE go ahead and do it". The other non-smokers write in a similar vein.

Hint to all of you: not smoking will not make you immortal. Death is not a choice only smokers make.

That is the really interesting part of debates like this: how people project their own (natural) fear of death on the behavior of others, try to rationalize it that way and loose all sense of proportion and common decency in the process. Their unconscious goal is humankind's longest lasting dream: to overcome death.
Only it will not happen.

To Kylie and the others I want to say: bitching around will not grant you everlasting life and your obsession with mortality is keeping you from enjoying the time you have on this planet.

Well if you will insist on close contact with rhinoceruses, what can you expect!

Well it is also a democratic country with laws respecting everyone's needs, including those of the minorities contrary to many other countries in this world where if you're minority then you're pretty much scr*wed. In general, laws in Europe try to protect the "weak". And it is funny that smokers these days are the minority and so marginalised by the general public... those were the salad days when it was "cool" to smoke.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a smoker, I have never smoked, and I am uncomfortable at tables with smokers. I do not condone smoking. Nevertheless, this militant-based bashing of the smokers is horrifying to me. Why must one be so hard and intolerant over the habits of others? Are we really that perfect to dictate what others should and shouln't do in their free time?

Anti-smoking militants will surely respond, well it is our health and we have the right to live without suffering unwanted side effect of someone's habit. True, but common, one evening a wekk in a smokish restaurant would really not increase your cancer-attainement percentage by any significant value, I think. You lots are lucky to be in Germany, wait till you live in Paris!

Anyways, have a bit of compassion to some smokers. It is not easy for them to quit, and some encouragements instead of crucification would do more to help.

K

ps: KIDS, DO NOT SMOKE!

You may not be aware of the latest French legislation on the issue. You'll find some information here.



In a nutshell, smoking in enclosed public places and workplaces is banned from 1 February 2007 and in bars, casinos, discos, hotels, restaurants, etc. from 1 January 2008.

I am not interested in quoted percentages. I believe what I see with my own eyes. I tell you far far more Germans smoke than Brits. I was at a bithday party at Dereham Conservative Club on Saturday night ( I know how to live ).

There was about 150 people there. I only saw 1 man smoking all night.

The Christmas firms do I went to in the middle of December in Bingan with over 100 people. I was the ONLY non smoker there.

So i dont know where all the numbers come from but they are wrong.

The figures come from the unclear definition of what a smoker is. The people smoking at the Christmas Party that you went to were probably mostly occasional smokers; people who have a couple of fags at a party every now and then, especially at Christmas. They don't consider themselves to be smokers; you and I both do.

I am aware of the new legislation. But what does the "new" legislation got to do with my point in the entire posting? To summarize my previous posting, all I said was I find that restaurants and bars here are _generally_ less smokey than those in Paris/France as of Dec 2006. Thus, the situation here is really not extreme, in my very humble opinion of course.

The general current of thoughts everywhere in the world is that smoking is bad and French's gov is no diffirent than that. NO ONE is refuting that, not even the smokers themselves.

The gov in France may ban smokes in restaurants and pub and bars, but that does not mean that any lambda person in the st would agree with the legislation. They may be the minority, but to me, their opinion and needs still count.

Many of my French friends smoke, they are not proud of it. Most tried stopping. Some succeed, but none of those successful ones were due to any legislations to make them do so.

I am simply saying, non-smokers should not ride the high horse and persecute smokers as if they are plagues!

K

DISCLAIMER: This is not an apology for smokers.

The best part about the whole issue is, how absurd the arguments of the non-smoking lobby, since smoker-bashing is really en-vogue these days, get. Just was watching the news two or three days ago and a health-expert (never was stated why she is supposed to be one) was claiming that three ciggies, smoked in a closed and sealed room, pose a far bigger health hazard than a diesel engine running in the same room for 30 min... it's a bit like during the times of the inquisition - just shout out something the majority wants to hear and suddenly it's a proven fact.

Sort of off topic, but we were in a pool-hall for an hour in Unterschleißheim yesterday which did not look very smoky to me, and I was annoyed when I came home to find that my shirt smelled of smoke. It also looked wrong to me to see people lighting up next to the pool tables. Am I turning into a former-smoker-now-anti-smoker-Nazi?

Yes you are.

[yoda]To the good side of the Force you have been converted... hummm [/yoda]

Hmmm Pool hall and people smoking... very wrong

Buster, no one converted me, it was my own decision (boosted, of course, by bacterial bronchitis caught in the pneumo/cardio ward at Krankenhaus Schwabing).

I said, not very smoky. You could clearly see pool table #1 from our pool table #9 across the seven tables in between.

Which disqualifies this pace being a pool hall!

Well I may be wrong, but I always classified Darts, Snooker and Pool as sports most played by smokers.

EU-wide public smoking ban urged. Seeing as Germany won't do anything, maybe this is our last hope..

Yes, the last possible chance ever before the evil smokers take over the world. Muwahahahahaha!