No general ban on smoking in bars and restaurants

Combined with Halloween, it's deadly...

Aye, they are all out tonight keydeck

Ooh, that was a good one! I remember it well. Could start a thread entitled "Butts that I have cherished".

Enormous damages? Roy Castle was the only person ever affected, and he was a twat anyway.

how many people actualy die from passive smoking?

7.00

then why the fuss. more people die in a year from being hit by coconuts. crikey if its too smoky go somewhere else. if its not dont be a nazi and pick on other people who are smoking inside and bloody well enjoying it.

This Ina Berger poster is a wind up. Probably a smoker trying to give us honest non-smokers a bad name, and y'all fell for it.

A Lot! Read that:

"Passive smoking kills about 53,000 nonsmokers per year, making it the 3rd leading cause of preventable death in the U.S"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking

Passive smoking 'killing workers'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2925633.stm

It's been proved by scientists that passive smoking is at least same dangerous as active smoking.

Read in internet if you have enough brain to operate with google properly then find out the dangers of passive smoking. There're 100s of articles.

There's NO difference between passive and active smoking if you're in the same room. Passive smoking can be even more dangerous, depending on the way how cigarette is smoked

Errrr... Is there a particular style that is more dangerous to be near?

For those in the vicinity smoke from a cigarette that is lit but is not being smoked (e.g. left to consume itself in an ashtray) is more dangerous than smoke exhaled by the smoker. I assume that's what the earlier poster is referring to.

How many smokers do you know who would let a cigarette 'consume itself' in an ashtray?

Loads, it depends how stoned you are

YES! There's ONE

Smoke that comes from lower temperature, if you put cigarette aside and you enjoy your beer meanwhile then the temperature of cigarette is lower and more poison arises by glowing. This all goes in the room where other people have to enjoy the bad air.

But if you're sucking cigarette, temperature of fire is higher then less poison (if one can talk about less) is emitted

You guys know nothing about physics
You know nothing about medicine
You know nothing about chemistry

What the hell is your education ?

You guys are just gossipping!

Have a look at some more articles about deaths and victims caused by passive smoking: for example only

Passive smoking kills 4000 Brits a year
http://health.iafrica.com/healthnews/323387.htm

Researchers find that passive smoking kills as many women as active smoking in China
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/release...4_smoking.shtml

Passive smoking 'kills 1,000s'
http://society.guardian.co.uk/publichealth...1218373,00.html

You'd be surprised, it's easy to get distracted even from such a "pleasurable" activity. I've known people reach for their packet without realising that they already had a cigarette merrily burning away next to them. Also, to many people cigarettes often serve as a prop - they'll hold one while gesticulating and talking but won't necessarily be intent on getting every last drag out of it.

Well, your English is shit. Nyah!

You can make fun while COUGHING and DIE OUT OF CANCER SPREADING IN ALL OF YOUR BODY PARTS!

Enjoy your jokes today may be tomorrow only you will stop laughing!

I have supplied you with facts!

If you want to continue ignoring it, do so!

If you die, just one smoker less in the world! So what! Does NOT matter to me!

I never get distracted from any activities I consider pleasurable. Unless the kids wake up unexpectedly, of course.

Ok! You're low of arguments now! Thanks for your compiment!

Is that Kylie Bach of the "Save the world from all the other idiots" Bachs?

So you assume I smoke? On what basis? Just because I think that the anti smoking militants/nazis go too far?

I'm definitely not, I'm just following on with your vein of shite comments

You smoke in bed?

Kay, I'm a non-smoker... I'll leave the puzzle for you to solve.

What makes you think I didn't get it first time around?

I didn't like to assume, being a gentleman and all. You may be one of those young American virgins.

The world needs more smokers. From this, and every other thread on the subject, it is clear that non-smokers are a hell of a lot more uptight than the smokers.

No offence intended to the many non-smokers who don't get their panties in a bunch, just that the militant section are seriously vocal.

You're gossipping only
Blah Blah Blah

Gossipping gossipping gossipping

I am a nonsmoker, I don't bitch and moan at everyone who smokes (thank you Keydeck for not lumping us all together), they cannot smoke at my house, but if I go to their house- its their rules, I do like to enjoy a meal without smoke, but will not only attend smokefree restaurants here in Munich, as then it limits you.
Maybe it bothers the smokers that you smell, or are too tall or something. Maybe I just get tired of endless discussions that seriously have no end, for as we think they have finally died down, some buttwipe brings the thread back up.

For those militant nonsmokers- just read last weekend that Barz'n'More on Trappenauerstr just went smokefree. Service and food suck, but hey, its smoke free.

Gossipping, heh? Whatchu talking 'bout Willis?


I follow pretty much the same rules. If I go to a non-smoking house then I don't even ask. I also like to enjoy a meal without smoke and have gone to smokefree restaurants.

You do NOT smoke but you don't bother if you're forced to enjoy the smoke poison ? What a great logic! Why don't you start smoking yourself then ?

Just because of cost reason

You're talking NONSENSE only

What's your school education ?

Kylie, you keep bringing up the education of people on here. It's making you look like a childish idiot. Any arguments you have would work better if you stuck to the subject matter and stopped targetting the individuals in question.

Since you seem to be new (or not? ), I will tell you that there are alot of educated people here on this board, and you have just insulted them all.
You know shit about me, I am a Dental Hygienist, working in Perio- face it, smokers with bad teeth keep me busy and employed. I have also run Stop Smoking programs in Canada, but at the end of the day, they are adults, and if they don't want to quit, its not my place to tell the to do so. I will help people that really want to stop smoking. But you cannot force someone, as then they resent it and you.

Ok...I am an avid/ardent/whatever you want to call it-non-smoker. I hate being around smoke. BUT, I have some very close friends who do smoke. I don't like it but it's their decision. They don't smoke in my home, they go outside. I CHOOSE to go to places where they are because they are my friends and I love them. I would be punishing myself if I didn't as I'd never see them anymore! Of course I don't like second hand smoke but it's a reality, especially here in Europe. Education has nothing to do with it. I'm educated and the D.A.R.E programs actually worked for me. But I'm not naiive about it.

Yes! With "higher educated people", it's like this that they have already run away from Germany and settled down abroad

And according to statistics, "the uneducated people" form the biggest percentage of smokers

can somebody please translate for me?

right. are kylie bach, christian werner and ina berger one and the same person? lets take a look shall we? all only logged onto forum recently; very few posts (or none outside this thread); vehement anti-smokers with a poor command of the english language and kylie has a fixation with education which makes me think she's the same german right-on, anally-fixated fool that ina and christian are.

answers on a post card please.

That's why I keep on giving provocation to find out the average education and IQ of you guys here

I'll take a C please Bob.

Why's education so important to you Kylie? You looking for a new partner to provide a counter-balance for you?

Kylie, a question if I may. What age are you? I feel it's pertinant to the topic at hand and peoples general attitudes towards it.

definitely a twat, no matter the education level. i believe einstein liked a smoke and he was as thick as two short planks, eh?

I do NOT want to force anybody to stop smoking. They can do whatever they want. But they shall pay for the damages they cause for their health themselves and should spare public and other people with their smoke. That's it! Nothing to add!

so following your command of english, your also a sixty a day guy then?

passive smoking increases relative risk. not risk. you chose to expose yourself at your own wish, and risk. i hate realy smoky pubs myself but chose to go into ones which are less. i personaly consider the risk small. in fact i dont holiday in tropical islands due to accidental cocnut death as the risk is considerably greater.

I have one thing to add. Do you have to use the Quote button so much?

Oh and my question of a couple of posts previous to this one, what age are you please?

Everybody who smokes I regard to be dumb only. You can have different opinion. In case of doubts, let's see the statistics.

ok at least eighty?

an 8 year old on 80 a day. hopefully she won't last long then.

See in google about statistics about "passive smoking victims"

And spare me with your "coconut" story comment

spare us from your rhetoric please. you're clearly not a native english speaker and we'd rather not listen to your inane attempts at posting, thank you.

Age does not matter
Name don't matter
Only FACTS count!

Age is a fact and it does actually matter. If you are hanging you opinion and beliefs on statistics which you've pulled from Google then you would know that. Can it hurt to answer the question?