Timmeh
Sep 22 2006, 9:48 am
Brenda Priddy (the prefessional spy) has the following to say about Porsche's new 4 door:
Winding Road - Best Shots Yet Of Porsche’s Panamera (click for more photos)
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Priddy’s people suggest that the base engine will be Volkswagen’s 3.5-liter six-cylinder, putting out 300 bhp, and upper-level Panameras will benefit from Porsche’s direct-injection eight-cylinder, available in 350 bhp naturally aspirated, as well as with twin turbos giving 560 bhp. Priddy even suggests that if competitors like Mercedes-Benz’s CLS continue to churn out even bigger numbers, the car could see a V-10 good for 700 bhp.
Allershausen
Sep 22 2006, 9:57 am
I reckon I'd prefer one of these:
Aston Rapide
Looks like the back seat will still be for midgets. That roofline sweeps down at a pretty severe angle.
mrbrain
Sep 22 2006, 9:58 am
The 4 doors look strange at first, but I think it's bad-ass.
Yup. And the car looks nice too.
Grinner
Sep 22 2006, 10:06 am
The Panemera was originally going to have suicide doors..
Tim
Sep 22 2006, 10:15 am
Porsche continues its disturbing trend to be the worlds largest producer of Japanese cars outside of Japan.
Timmeh
Sep 22 2006, 10:15 am
QUOTE (Allershausen @ Sep 22 2006, 9:57 am)

I reckon I'd prefer one of these:
Aston RapideMe too, but for the cost. Could buy the Porsche and a house for the price of an Aston
Owain Glyndwr
Sep 22 2006, 10:18 am
worth it if you get that bird along with it too, though.
Tim
Sep 22 2006, 10:19 am
Porsche, house, Aston, Bird...
Looks to me like she is the most expensive thing on the list
Tim
Sep 22 2006, 10:20 am
...never mind that she is fooling herself if she thinks that she is going to fit into the back seat of that car...
Owain Glyndwr
Sep 22 2006, 10:22 am
maybe she planning on lying down in the back.
Kza
Sep 22 2006, 10:22 am
True, she could lose a few kgs off the hips and ass... But its all good, after buying the car and the chick and the gas for the car who could afford to feed her too? You would squeeze her in there somehow eventually.
speakfreak
Sep 22 2006, 10:23 am
QUOTE (mrbrain @ Sep 22 2006, 10:58 am)

The 4 doors look strange at first, but I think it's bad-ass.
Sorry- but it looks crap!
If it's supposed to be a 4 seater cross-continent GT why does it have a stupid wing on the back like something out of the fast and the fuckwit?
Porsche are really the "emperor's new clothes" when it comes to car design. Granted the 911 is absolutely a classic design which they still successfully milk 40 years on (although they have the world's laziest stylists). The Boxter/Caymen is either more of the same or less of the same- can't decide.
The Cayenne is ugly as... well an ugly great 4x4. This joins it as being ungainly and stylistically confused.
It will still sell shedloads to the Maximillianstrasse Cafe Roma crowd tho...The Aston, the Quattroporte, 612 Scaglietti or even a Continental for me any day.
Side point- saw a
lowered Cayenne the other day- I mean- WTF?
Timmeh
Sep 22 2006, 10:27 am
QUOTE (speakfreak @ Sep 22 2006, 10:23 am)

Side point- saw a lowered Cayenne the other day- I mean- WTF?
Unfortunately the SUV trend has become a tad stoopid. Arden Range Rover Sports for example:
Tim
Sep 22 2006, 10:27 am
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lowered Cayenne the other day- I mean- WTF?
Johnny English
Sep 22 2006, 10:29 am
I test drove a Cayenne just for fun earlier this year. Dealer gave it to me for the day, and I gave it back after an hour. Silly car. Very expensive and heavy as the QE2 - plus it drives a bit like a boat as well due to the excessive weight. Just not nice.
speakfreak
Sep 22 2006, 10:29 am
@Tim
speakfreak
Sep 22 2006, 10:32 am
The Panamera looks like the bastard child of an old 968 and a Saab 900i, still with the pram handle on.
Nice name tho...
mrbrain
Sep 22 2006, 10:34 am
It looks better in this rendition:
But I do admit, it's not for the Porsche purists...
Timmeh
Sep 22 2006, 10:35 am
I think once it's got all its disguise stuff off, it could look quite sharp...911 come 928 style. I wouldn't turn it down.
speakfreak
Sep 22 2006, 10:43 am
QUOTE (mrbrain @ Sep 22 2006, 11:34 am)

It looks better in this rendition
You are right. It does look much better there. Might take
some of what I said back
Tim
Sep 22 2006, 10:45 am
Here are a couple more shots of the new Porsche

Tim
Sep 22 2006, 10:46 am
...oops, sorry, that is a 15 year old Subaru, my mistake...
Tim
Sep 22 2006, 10:48 am
And if I want a car that looks like this...
Wee Mun
Sep 22 2006, 10:48 am
QUOTE (mrbrain @ Sep 22 2006, 11:34 am)

It looks better in this rendition:
But I do admit, it's not for the Porsche purists...
That is a nice looking motor. Wonder how it will be priced? I would take this over an M6 any day!
Tim
Sep 22 2006, 10:48 am
...then i will buy this:
TheSwedishChef
Sep 22 2006, 10:53 am
QUOTE (Johnny English @ Sep 22 2006, 11:29 am)

I test drove a Cayenne just for fun earlier this year. Dealer gave it to me for the day, and I gave it back after an hour. Silly car. Very expensive and heavy as the QE2 - plus it drives a bit like a boat as well due to the excessive weight. Just not nice.
You know, it's funny you say that, because every review of the Cayenne I have read praises the fuck out of it for being the best four wheel drive they have ever driven...
For instance, the
Times Review, apart from bitching about it not being traditionally Porsche-esque, mentions things like :
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This is the best 4x4 I’ve driven. Even the basic Cayenne S makes a
BMW X5 look slow-witted, and every other competitor seems laughably sluggish and compromised.
and
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The flip side is astonishing handling for one so high and heavy. No matter that it would not trouble a Honda Civic Type-R or any car to wear a Porsche badge in the past decade down a twisting road: compared with every other 4x4 it brings a new level of grip, precision, response and fun.
Yorkie
Sep 22 2006, 10:55 am
QUOTE (Tim @ Sep 22 2006, 11:48 am)

...then i will buy this:
But Tim, then you will be two doors short so it won't look like the first one!
Wee Mun
Sep 22 2006, 10:56 am
QUOTE (Tim @ Sep 22 2006, 11:48 am)

...then i will buy this:
But that is not a 4 door...
Allershausen
Sep 22 2006, 10:59 am
QUOTE (Timmeh @ Sep 22 2006, 11:15 am)

Me too, but for the cost. Could buy the Porsche and a house for the price of an Aston
You might be able to, I couldn't afford any of them!

So if I'm going to dream I'll dream about the Aston and the bird, not necessarily in that order!
Timmeh
Sep 22 2006, 11:10 am
Actually, the rendition that Tim posted looks pretty fricken sexy to me.
Johnny English
Sep 22 2006, 11:24 am
@Swedish Chef - well you know how it is, everyone has an opinion.
It did not help that they made me drive an automatic - which I hate - the power delivery on autos always makes me feel a bit ill. But they said no-one ever has manuals in these.
The problem is that the 4.5 litre engine is fighting to counteract the huge weight, and you cannot defy the physics. Nice comfy car I guess, but when you are looking at the wrong side of €100,000 it just doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
canaryman
Sep 22 2006, 11:57 am
QUOTE (Timmeh @ Sep 22 2006, 11:27 am)

Unfortunately the SUV trend has become a tad stoopid. Arden Range Rover Sports for example:

Nothing wrong with the Range Rover Sport. Have to say though, I would not put that bodykit (or any body at all on mine), it looks great the way it is!
gideon
Sep 22 2006, 12:00 pm
the body kit is disgusting. does it come with a free hot wheels racing track too?
isnt calling all these grass and gravel cars 4X4 really an insult for serious off road machines?
canaryman
Sep 22 2006, 12:12 pm
If you read my post, you will see that I agree with you about the body kit. If you read the off road tests then you will see that they have an off road capability that is just below a Landrover (due to it not having the same huge ground clearance.

In tests it beat the Landcruiser and everything else out there (except the Landrover)...now you can turn the table, in the cause of controversy, and say "whats the point of having a vehicle that spends 90% of its life on the road being so capable off road?"
gideon
Sep 22 2006, 12:24 pm
canary man sorry missed the "yep" off the front of my post, i knew you hated the things. and rightly so cos they're a fucking joke. the range rover though is in a class of itself, always has been always should be and hopefully will be. it would be wrong to pile it into the X5 Toureg cheyanne class, but they are doing their damndest to get it in there. as to your second question, yes what are you doing with a car thats meant to be off road? i know the streets are bad sometimes but not that bad! although my next car will be a 110 if my wife lets me...
canaryman
Sep 22 2006, 12:56 pm
Well, Gideon. I purchased a new sports coupe when I first moved here. I put it over a metal barrier whilst coming off the autobahn in a blizzard at around 25-30kmh. The following year my wife was driving up a hill in a straight line and the rear wheels just started spinning and the tail end slid out. We lost confidence in the car (it had loads of faults fixed under warranty too) and decided that as we go to Austria every weekend in the winter, we would buy a 4wd. We cart a lot of stuff around and live out in the sticks (where the roads are diabolical in the winter) so decided on the RRS as it was the nicest to drive and has excellent off road ability.
I have to say I do not regret the decision to buy one as last year it came into its own on the ice and snow covered roads

(It also slows my driving down as it is relaxing to drive, plus my dog likes it!)
gideon
Sep 22 2006, 1:00 pm
QUOTE (canaryman @ Sep 22 2006, 1:56 pm)

I have to say I do not regret the decision to buy one as last year it came into its own on the ice and snow covered roads (It also slows my driving down as it is relaxing to drive, plus my dog likes it!)
i understand your reasons, native bavarians and austrian will laugh at you though for not being able to drive in snow or being able to whack chains on while still smoking a cigarette. but they are a bit odd sometimes
canaryman
Sep 22 2006, 2:02 pm
I don't mind that. I was laughing at them last year as I drove down the country roads to Austria (autobahn was stationary). I saw a Cayenne with 4 snow chains on,
BMW X5s with snow chains on the front wheels, etc,etc. I had snow tyres on and it gripped like a dream. I made sure that I grinned at everyone that I overtook. (much to my wifes annoyance). That will teach em to buy a Soft Roader instead of the real thing (and hopefully encourage them to buy snow tyres!!)

By the way, my wife brought a magazine off one of the planes that said (in German). "The VW Touraeg is the twin of the Cayenne but it is nowhere near as good. The Touraeg is for poor customers". Nice bit of motoring journalism, eh?
gideon
Sep 22 2006, 2:07 pm
class.
i've got this image of a range rover going down a snow covered autobahn with a union jack flying, land of hope and glory blazing on the stero and the driver sticking twos up to every other mongrel in an SUV.
Johnny English
Sep 22 2006, 2:24 pm
QUOTE (canaryman @ Sep 22 2006, 3:02 pm)

By the way, my wife brought a magazine off one of the planes that said (in German). "The VW Touraeg is the twin of the Cayenne but it is nowhere near as good. The Touraeg is for poor customers". Nice bit of motoring journalism, eh?
We shall assume you do not read any Clarkson features then?
gideon
Sep 22 2006, 2:36 pm
come on what did he say...
Johnny English
Sep 22 2006, 2:40 pm
Just saying that Clarkson does not pull any punches when he writes, so just saying that the VW is the poor relation is chicken shit for Clarkson. He is far ruder than that.
canaryman
Sep 22 2006, 3:09 pm
The article did not say that the VW is a poor relation. It said, according to my wife, that the VW is for "poor customers"!!!
I quite like your image of me!!!

During the world cup, I had to go to Munich airport regularly, to pick my wife up. On one visit there were a load of people in suits looking miserable so I drove past, St George flag flying, blasting out "Land of Hope and Glory". They all seemed to "get it", burst out laughing and gave me the thumbs up sign! I think it gave them something to talk about in the pub ("mad Englishman in a car like the queen, etc etc)
Johnny English
Sep 22 2006, 3:20 pm
QUOTE (canaryman @ Sep 22 2006, 4:09 pm)

("mad Englishman in a car like the queen, etc etc
I assume you are referring to George Michael's range rover?
canaryman
Sep 22 2006, 3:28 pm

often seen parked outside a larged wooded area or a public toilet!
Anna Kournikova has a RRS (but unfortunately does not share it with me

)
Why did they name it after a
Cuban Song?
Allershausen
Sep 22 2006, 4:45 pm
The Carrera Panamerica was an extremely dangerous road race that used to be run in Mexico. I believe porsche won it once , maybe more times, which is why some Porsche models are called Carreras, and presumably Panamera comes from this as well.
UVAexpat
Oct 9 2006, 2:28 am
I like the red one, but the other pics are just downright heinous. Think we'll stick with the Cayman in the spring.
Better gas mileage <laughs>
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