Sex offender registry for Germany

No such list exists in this country

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Yandi
Hi all,

I am wondering if Germany has something similar to the sex offender registries of USA, UK, and Canada? I've done some TT and Google searches and can not find anything.

Thanks,
Yandi
BadDoggie
Germany protects the privacy of its citizens, even after conviction of a crime. Furthermore, Germany doesn't buy into the knee-jerk "name-and-shame" ostracising that does nothing to help anyone but does cause a lot of harm.

Do you realise how easy it is to get stuck on a "sex offender" list? Let me give you a little sample:

* "sexual misconduct" -- Someone claims "harassment" and you're a "sex offender".
" "sodomy in the first, second and third degrees" (whatever that might mean) -- consenting or not, anything sexual other than penile-vaginal intercourse is "sodomy" and makes you a "sex offender".
" "disseminating indecent material to minors" -- that's right, buy a kid a Playboy a day before his 18th birthday and you're a class 2 "sex offender".

And that's just a sample.

The lists of "sex offenders" have done nothing to cut down on sex-related crimes but have done wonders in ostracising and destroying those who try to get their lives back in order. Fail to register? Felony, 2-20 years of hard time.

woof.
Will2Write
@Yandi, curious as to why you would ask such a question?
Jenny L
Do you realise how easy it is to get stuck on a "sex offender" list?
Yes, but surely paedophiles and rapists are registered on that list too. For such instances, I-- especially now that I have a child-- would appreciate knowing whether or not I'm living next to a convicted child molester. Does the sex offender list actually list what you're "guilty" or "accused" of?
BadDoggie
First, an English lesson: pedophelia is an attraction to young people, pederasty is acting on those feelings. There is a difference. The idea that children should be off-limits sexually is a rather recent construct. Our democracies are more or less based on a system first developed by a people with a considerable taste for young boys.

Next, what are you going to do about it? Are you going to move? Are you going to try and get him to move? Are ou going to harass him into moving? Are you going to get your neighbours to picket the guy? All because he's on a "sex offenders" list which could be for having given a high school kid a Playboy? Those last options of harassment and picketing are illegal even in the US. Try it and get slapped hard for harassment.

Accusations against someone should NEVER be made public until proven or admitted to. EVER. Presumed innocence is one of the very foundations of Western justice (save for France and Louisiana which still adhere to the j'accuse form of inquisitory justice). It IS better to let 100 guilty go free than lock up just one innocent. If you don't believe me, consider what three years of torture at Guantanamo Bay might be like for you.

Better and more informed writers than I have written about the subject of "sex offender" lists and why they're wrong in almost every imaginable way. I'll look for some links some time.

Anyone saying or planning to say, "You don't understand because you <don't have kids / aren't a woman>" can suck a fart out of my ass. There are bigger issues. It doesn't have to do with a kid or a slit, it has to do with basic human rights, dignity, and effective, long-term conditioning which goes against human nature rather than knee-jerk reactionary responses.

woof.
bluedave
Once again Bad Doggie nails it perfectly, we should never ever let vigilantism overtake real Law and Order, people have been lynched in the UK by virtue of the local posse and it's just bullshit !

OK if a guy or girl is guilty of this heinous crime let them pay for it and let it be harsh !

But ferchrissakes don't let the mob mentality rule or we are on the highway to hell of anarchy
Jenny L
The idea that children should be off-limits sexually is a rather recent construct.
Whatever. Anyone touches my kid, I'll have their legs broken. Vigilante justice is as old as the hills too . Just because the idea of paedophilia is "traditional" doesn't make it acceptable or right. I think it's ok for children to be off-limits sexually.

Next, what are you going to do about it? Are you going to move? Are you going to try and get him to move? Are ou going to harass him into moving? Are you going to get your neighbours to picket the guy? All because he's on a "sex offenders" list which could be for having given a high school kid a Playboy? Those last options of harassment and picketing are illegal even in the US. Try it and get slapped hard for harassment.
None of the above. But it might make me exercise greater caution with my child. Yes, one should always exercise caution and teach their children to be safe. But live next to a serial rapist, for example, and I do think you need to take extra safety measures.

Also- what the hell is anyone giving a 14- year old a Playboy for? What happened to the good old days when a kid had to sneak a peak instead of getting porn handed to him?

Accusations against someone should NEVER be made public until proven or admitted to. EVER. Presumed innocence is one of the very foundations of Western justice (save for France and Louisiana which still adhere to the j'accuse form of inquisitory justice). It IS better to let 100 guilty go free than lock up just one innocent. If you don't believe me, consider what three years of torture at Guantanamo Bay might be like for you.
So the list is simply a list of accusations? I went on the assumption that it was convictions. *In Nebraska, for example, you are not required to register unless you have been convicted.

Anyone saying or planning to say, "You don't understand because you <don't have kids / aren't a woman>" can suck a fart out of my ass. There are bigger issues. It doesn't have to do with a kid or a slit, it has to do with basic human rights, dignity, and effective, long-term conditioning which goes against human nature rather than knee-jerk reactionary responses
If that was directed at me, that's a shitty comment to make and is a complete load of crap. I didn't once piss and moan about "nobody understanding how hard it is to be a mommy". My point was simply that- now that I do have a kid- and if anything should happen to my child as a direct result of me slacking off on my parental duties to protect her, I'd never forgive myself. So, yeah, if a convicted pederast moves next door, I wouldn't go throwing Molitov cocktails through his windows, but it would make me watch my child more closely than I perhaps normally would.

I'm not arguing that a sex offender list is the way to go. There are, undoubtedly, many people who belong on the list that never get convicted. Or, on the flipside, false accusations that make the list.
Yandi
I had no intention of starting a debate about this. I will not debate whether or not sex offender registries are worthwile, productive, or violate civil liberties. It is my understanding that the registries (in USA) are composed of CONVICTED offenders. If I'm wrong, I can deal with that.

@ Will: What I had hoped to do with a sex offender registry is use it as an aid when we start apartment hunting in Munich next month. I want to know if the really cool flat we're considering renting is right next door to a convicted child rapist. That's my responsibility as a parent - to be informed and do what I can to protect my child as much as possible.

@BadDoggie: just as you feel we should not ostracise labeled "sex offenders", nor should people who are genuinely concerned only about being well informed citizens be ostracised. I do not (nor does any person I know who checks the registries) throw accusations around, and I am not a vigilante. I do feel that some convicted sex offenders do deserve to start over - and I won't interfere with their opportunity. I found out when we were having our house built that the guy two doors down was on the sex offender registry. But, I knew that it was something that happened ten years ago when he was 19 and his 16 year old girlfriend lied about her age, so we had no problems moving in. He's a good guy with a beautiful family, and I know being on that list was difficult for him.
Eleanor Rigby
That's exactly the point though. The guy was 19 and his girl was 16. That's hardly pedophilia, yet he shows up on this list even 10 years later.

Maybe you decided to investigate further to find out what he was really like but many won't. Once you're branded as a sex offender, many won't give you a second chance.
Owain Glyndwr
First, an English lesson: pedophelia is an attraction to young people, pederasty is acting on those feelings.
sorry i think you are wrong there. Paedophelia is the attraction to pre-pubescent people, with or without acting on those feelings. Pederasty is the attraction to post-pubescent young adults, adolescents, (normally teens) by mature adults. Classic cases of Pederasty were in anient Greece and later partly in Rome (although outlawed i think) where as part of a contract a mature adult would take a post-pubescent youngster under his wing, pay for education and become his mentor and set him up in life. Greek art usually depicts this relationship as also being of a sexual nature.
BadDoggie
what the hell is anyone giving a 14- year old a Playboy for? What happened to the good old days when a kid had to sneak a peak instead of getting porn handed to him?
I didn't write 14-year-old and I was thinking of 16- or 17-year-olds, but I was stealing Playboy and Penthouse when I was 13. I didn't want to steal them (and I got busted once) but they wouldn't sell them to me. I did manage to get people to buy them for me but that was back in the '70s before the mass hysteria and the idea of "sex offender lists".

It is my understanding that the registries (in USA) are composed of CONVICTED offenders. If I'm wrong, I can deal with that.
Then deal:
Friend 1: Lives in Florida, never convicted of a crime, harassed out of jobs and three towns because he's registered as a kiddy-fiddler. His vicious ex-wife tried to prevent him getting even partial custody of the kid and claimed he molested her.

Acquaintance 2: 28 years old, went to a bar (which checked IDs at the door and the bar). Met a girl and went home with her. Found out the next day she was only 15. Jail and lifetime listing.

woof.
Moonboot
in an ideal world, a sex offender's register would not need to exist as there would be no sex offenders. that isn't the case unfortunately & I do think we need one of some sort. it's not just children that are at risk but women too, I would definitely want to know if I was living next door to a sexual predator; wouldn't any woman?

having seen the long-lasting trauma of a friend who suffered at the hands of a paedophile, I believe in having some kind of list, why should the 'bad people' be protected and the 'good people' put at risk?

I think Megan's Law is a little exagerated, more information about the crimes should be given.

here's a BBC article about the proposal of Sarah's Law in England.
hockeywidow
In Canada the public doesn't have access to the list(Ontario anyway). The list is mainly for police and social workers etc. I wish they would publish the list of convited sex offenders, everyone should be able to see what kind of trash they could be living next to.
Owain Glyndwr
Also- what the hell is anyone giving a 14- year old a Playboy for? What happened to the good old days when a kid had to sneak a peak instead of getting porn handed to him?
I didn't write 14-year-old and I was thinking of 16- or 17-year-olds, but I was stealing Playboy and Penthouse when I was 13. I didn't want to steal them (and I got busted once) but they wouldn't sell them to me. I did manage to get people to buy them for me but that was back in the '70s before the mass hysteria and the idea of "sex offender lists".
I was stealing and buying and then selling on to my classmates magazines like Penthouse etc at the age of about 12. Half the kids at school had them. It is nothing unusual. In fact, I can't hink of many guys i know who didn't have a stash when they were teenagers. It is perfectly normal.

"Good old days"
Allershausen
he was 19 and his 16 year old girlfriend lied about her age
When I first read this I thought what's wrong with that, then I googled , found this:Age of Consent and discovered that some places in America the age of consent is 18! What with drinking not allowed till your 21 and this, I reckon every American I've ever met is an unconvicted criminal
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