Dating out of your league

where you with her on saturday? she wasn't that hot.

like BD said, as soon as she reads this post & others and once you take off your glasses and she looks at the bags under your eyes.

true, parnell looked pretty hot on saturday, but i've seen him drunk on the u-bahn many o' time. so when i saw him on saturday i had todo a triple take.

It's the "Matching hypothesis" that you're remembering:

Its bollox. Women are not attracted by money and power.

Im having quite a similar problem at the moment, except im the hot one!

Oh the irony of it all.

Drop the bird parnell. Only go out with birds that other birds want to sleep with.

Wait a sec. Is any woman actually going to put up her hand and say, 'Me! Me! I married the ugliest fucker this side of the Atlantic! Ain't I lucky?'

See, that's the thing. I've dated all sorts of guys - some who might have been more 'conventionally attractive' than others. But I've never dated anyone ugly. I do tend to gravitate toward what we might call 'less conventionally attractive' guys for a number of reasons that have already been discussed. The most important of which is that they've been forced to rely on something other than their hotness and therefore have developed personalities, and they tend to be - no, they flat-out ARE - better in bed.

The men I've loved the most in my life were probably further down on the scale of what society considers to be attractive. But to me, obviously, they were beautiful.

And to add another voice to the 'don't be a grovelling loser' chorus:
I think I'm a good-looking woman. And yes I think lots of guys would be lucky to have me. But for God's sake, nothing is less attractive than blathering on Wayne's World style, I'm not worthy, blah blah blah. Shut the hell up and take me to dinner already.

I don't see the pictures(can't view any pictures here, today), but women are really not attracted by money and power... but then, what are they attracted by?

Let me tell you something: as far as I know, women are attracted to what is in your head, first.

I would bore myself to death after a while with a guy who cannot ever contradict me, or one who cannot have an intelligent discussion about ANYTHING with me or if he was like parnell - low self confidence and all it implies.

ok, how about dinner tomorrow at 7pm, ill pick you up ...via U-Bahn...

excuse me but where was i when u saw me ? I don't even use the U-bahn that much... and i don't wear glasses.

Must disagree there, he is not only very attractive (despite facial scars), but sings like an angel. Lucky girl (up the duff yet again).

best friend in the city is a lesbian ... rest my case.

Not a combination that springs to mind when i think of Parny tbh

You will know when or if she starts to "come to her senses" the question is will you know it when you "come to your senses" and work out if it is only the hotness you desire or some more longlasting aspects of your relationship with her? Or will the Hotness factor affect all your actions?

Listen I'm not really low on self confidence - I've ALWAYS dated very pretty women - I'm just saying that I'm seeing someone who is super hot and it unnerves me a little and I'm grateful to whatever angel put her my way and basically how do I not fuck this up.

Just don't sweat it, dude. She's sleeping with you, right? She clearly doesn't find you repulsive. Just keep taking her out, play it partially cool but not arrogant, have a sense of humour (about yourself as much as anything) and you won't fuck it up.

Oh, and don't get psychotically jealous or possessive if she talks to other guys.

This wouldn't happen to be her, would it?

Just kidding, you had to know that was coming at some point.

Ah now thats it, how not to fcuk it up. Well lets see yous could:

1. quit while your ahead and dump her. then you'd have to go gay cause no one else would compare. then'd you go nuts while clutching photos of her and singing sinead o'connors 'nothing compares to yoooooooou'. you'd probably get shipped to an asylum or if your lucky back to the farm where your kin might take pity on you and put yourself out of your misery behind the cow shed.

2. get her to move with you to some island where theres no one else for comparison. likely she would end up driving you nuts and youd spend your days hoping that some evil monkey will bean her on the head with a deadly coconut. or it could be paradise but loaded with cannibals that eat you both in your sleep.

3. get her knocked up so she'll be tied to you one way or another forevah. I would recommend moving to a country with better paternal rights laws than germany first.

4. relax and be yourself. she obviously likes you, daft bird.

stop worring about how to keep her, you'll only end up losing her, ...you have to think "IM THE MAN!!".. damn right she's with me, aint she lucky.

i remember once dating a guy who thought i was pretty hot and kept telling me so. it made me nervous. he would introduce me to his friends and squeeze me and say, oh isn't she fine? so i asked myself, what was he dating me for? my looks? i didn't think i was that attractive. i still don't look in the mirror and think "oh yeah, girl, you got it going on!"

he kept asking what did i find in him? what was i doing with him? i found some reason to dump him. don't let the same happen to you.

i've been here for 2 months so far, and the first couple of weeks i started seeing this german girl, but i seriously couldnt handle her german orgasmic screams/voices whatever you wanna call it ...in bed, it was such a turn off..im shivering as i write.. ok so i dont understand german yet, but what the hell was she saying man!!!???...

She was HOT, but even something as ridiculous as that could end a relationship. moral of the story is "Dont ruin it by speaking", kinda like Becks

also, if she asks you to make your bank account joint after 2 weeks of you guys dating, that seems totally normal. and i wouldnt take that as a sign that shes only interested in your money, where "only" being the operative word.

Yes you are. Now admit it. Go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan, go'wan. You know you want to.

Ah! Go'wan.

Does anyone have any suicide tips? Are pills the best way to go?


Oh, Lord be praised! I is saved!

Parnell, if she looks like this, then you better run!

Nah ... still find her cute tho - tyrannosaurus rex teeth and all that she has.

BTW...we're movin in together next week... hehe... who's a loser now ???

Are looks really so important? I used to be really intimidated by good looking people, but over the years I've figured out a few things.

A friend of mine started dating an underwear model. An underwear model . But she was fucking dog ugly otherwise. Apparently she just looked good naked. I guess that's good enough for some people. The lesson to be learned is: if you're ugly naked, but have a cute face, you can always just shut the lights off when you're gettin it on. But if you've got an ugly face, it's really hard to run around all day with a paper bag over your head. That's the lesson I got out of it, anyway.

I've met cute girls with no personality, cute girls who were also smart AND funny, and cute girls who were total bitches.

I've met ugly girls who I could say the same of.

I think it just depends on what you're willing to live with or maybe what you can or can't deal with. If you can't handle the idea of a super cute girlfriend, you'll probably fuck things up in the end one way or another.

Looks don't really say much for personality. And personality goes a long ways. Or something like that.

Time for a refill of red wine. Good luck to you.

I'm pretty sure thats you, excuse me sir, I do believe you've lost your balls. Hehe. Just kidding Parny. Congratulations. Hope your not to needy in terms of closet space though.

Hey! There's a lot to be said for a girl looking good naked. Especially if she arrives naked holding a six-pack of beer.

Ah! The way to any man's heart.

Balls ... ? that sounds familiar ? spherical objects ? yes... vague memory... before the ... accident...

Well I've just put in a bid on mels wardrobe here on TT so dunno there about the closet space... I put this thread up today cos like TT seemed slow enough - I don't really fear losing my woman - if it happens then I'll have to roll with that when the time comes but we're doin just fine right now... there WAS a time when we got together when I thought "yeh she's way outta my league" but i borrowed a video camera from a friend - just to see how we interact with each other from a 3rd perspective - and i got it - i know why we're together... but I'm still grateful. Hope we don't ever take each other for granted...

Dude, you're videotaping yourself with chicks again. Man, I told you the polizei are going to catch you one day.

ps: looking forward to the housewarming party.

Nothing wrong with auditioning and torturing, Dost

Funny enough I know a girl with a killer body but not much to go with it face-wise. So the ideal in Sin's scenario would be a naked girl holding the six-pack in front of her face?

(Thank God she won't read this as she hardly speaks any English, but I still feel like defending her honour to some degree: She's fun and a good friend! )

In general: I like people who look and act like they are comfortable inside their bodies (incl. face). Funny enough, that's not always the objectively better-than-just-good-looking ones.

I dated an underwear model in my last year of uni. She was hot in body, pretty in face and spoke French and Spanish. Posh too. Dad was a consultant at Bristol Royal Infirmary, big house in the Cotswolds, ponies, house on Menorca. Totally out of my league.
She was very needy, constantly wanted attention. Annoyed the hell out of me. I dumped her when she got back from the Easter hols - I was supposed to help her unload her car but before I did that told her that we should just be friends, but I would help her unload anyway (I'm nice like that). One way of getting out lugging her suitcases up 3 flights of stairs.
Then I used to see her on the tube every morning as she lived round the corner from me in Fulham. She totally blanked me every day despite my finest smile at 7.30am!

I still regret ending it. Her heart was in the right place. Think I was a bit immature. And I missed out on cheap holidays in the med.

Not sure what the moral of the story is, but I thought I'd share nonetheless

That's funny. I like to be comfortable inside a woman's body too (incl. face).

SIN!!! You are awful.

The only reason I told my ugly underwear model story is that I slept with that guy before he dated her. Then when I heard he was dating a model I freaked out, but then I met her and was like, "Oh, thank God she's ugly. And boring."

Edit: Sin, ... good one.

So you are

Yep, all words are lies, pain doesn't lie--I tend to agree, UA.

A fine but extremely rare thing. And why Harry, the bald tubby gent with appeal in spades, was the sexiest thing in Sex and the City.
In my past I have dangled exquisite arm candy around, handsome chaps who would cause bystanders shock and awe with a smile from their charmingly curved lips.
But really, they mostly rode Kawasakis and not high-specs at that.
It would never work.
All show and no lasting vroooom makes for disappointment. Yeah, you can burn people off at the lights but what about off-road? Do curves cause a loss of grip? Can it handle in the wet? It is a risk. Especially in highly visible lime green.
Taking a high profile spill may not be the best look.
There is no such thing as dating out of your league in my book.
Especially not with such a healthy transfer market.

@Katrina

Until I read 'in Sex and the City', I thought you were talking about me.

Oh well...

A man bearing beverages and a fine burger will always earn points in my league Hazza.

@MoiLV

just how bad do you feel for me Miss McK?

Personally, I have never met anyone out of my league!

Cool. Good looking and modest to boot.

Just start your own league...

In years gone past. Some have "it", most do not. I am over the hill now though my wife keeps an eye on me (when she is in the country). Still I have a dog now so he keeps me out of trouble!!

Listen guys, cut out the pathetic grovelling women-worshipping crap!!! I resent women who look good coming up to me and expecting me to respond positively to them because of their looks. They should try it on with a guy who is stupid/desperate enough to be taken in by their con. I really don't give a shit... good-looking women are usually insecure, painful company and shallow. Too much trouble if you ask me.

Guess this is not a good moment to ask whether you're currently in a relationship, is it, W2W?

Will2Write

What about those women who are intellectually superior but also fantastic looking? Does that just short circuit you completely, especially when they use their intellect to project their inner selves and not their looks as you would expect?

There are some of us out there!!

And to be honest, you and your kind don't know how to take women who are good looking with a high IQ, so belittle us and class us in the same basket as the good looking airheads!

Those men that win our hands are those who respect our intellect and independence, and they themselves are secure within themselves - not necessarily (and in the majority of cases, not) super model material themselves!

Intelligent women are great. If you are good-looking as well, brilliant. Just don't expect all guys to fall for the whole 'beauty' thing... some of us can see well beyond the exterior.
I am in a relationship, with a good-looking woman. However I think intellectual compatibility, character and maturity are far more important. Also, I find a funny woman attractive.
@Hams, I agree with you, but I think you have misread me by implying I don't respect a woman with intelligence... for me it is one of the most important things in a potential partner. If you are mature enought to not use your looks to get a guy, then great for both you and the guy that ended up with you.
@Dimmer, I am in a relationship. If my post came across as bitter, then it was phrased misleadingly. I just don't allow myself to get fooled by looks and I find it annoying if a woman thinks I am stupid enough to be influenced by her beauty. After all, most women start losing their looks at a relatively young age, so men who choose for looks are backing a losing horse! Maybe I am alone in this way of thinking.

P.s. I dated a model (6ft, beautiful, slim) for 5 years. Did I feel lucky... no! She modelled part-time and was a pharmacist full-time. Lovely girl. However, she compromised her personality with her vanity, so that was the end of that!

Actually, in one way I am bitter right now... I can't seem to find any women I both respect and enjoy being with!

Happy hunting guys.

Great post W2W !

I'm kinda surprised at you Hams, to call a guy cos he said beauty is not the be all and end all, really surprised