QUOTE (Will2Write @ Aug 16 2006, 1:24 pm)

Here is an amusing litmus test for men to try with their women; ask her if she would accompany you out for a posh meal without any makeup or fancy clothes. I find this sorts out the women from the girls! So many beautiful women I have dated went all weird on me over this. It's as if they care so much about how other people view them that they are unable to even contemplate this act of apparent madness.
On the other hand, I get to know a little bit more about them. She will no doubt dump you for forcing her to confront her insecurity and you get to walk away without having to date her.
Any other guys have tests they use to check the maturity/character of a potential girlfriend? Maybe some women have their own dastardly plans to sift through the unworthy (i.e. women may want to check his bank balance, or the car he drives, or his sperm count, etc)? Share the wisdom.
To be honest if a guy asked me that I would probably chuck him for being such an idiot. He obviously has way too much time on his hands to ponder over what this woman is like instead of actually getting to know her. Yes I do care about how other people view me but certainly not from the way I look.
So I like nice clothes and make-up what on earth is wrong with that? To me it is not at all important to have seven amps and speakers and a pile of cables going through the living room because it 'sounds better' Men and women just like different things and have different priorities.
I am not one of those women who cannot leave the house without make up - far from it indeed.
This gets me thinking about my best friend who is one of those girls who cannot leave house without make up. She puts it on to go to the gym. She even put it on the other day at home before the woman who was doing a make up consultation for her wedding came over.
I also could not give a stuff how much money a man earns or what car he drives. I have been asked out by loads of rich men with posh cars and sorry to say they were all idiots. If that is what I wanted I could have it - any girl could.
QUOTE (hams @ Aug 16 2006, 1:42 pm)

What a huge generalisation! It seems that you have a need to categorize and niche people. Any woman regardless of bodyshape, ethnicity, and attractiveness can be interested in her looks, or on the other hand not. People should be taken on their own merit and not what is just superficially on view - I would think that is the ultimate bottom line.
Will2Write - seems that you haven't met the right woman, as you'd then have better things to do than testing her on her shallowness!
Here here I couldn't put it better myself!
I admit sometimes I always thought men would like me more if I looked nice but I have realised now that it does not make one bit of difference. I could spend an hour blow drying and straightening my hair and my boyfriend really would not notice the difference. I think women have different ideas on what men find attractive. It amazes me that my boyfriend thinks I look most sexy when I come back from running am sweating and in my oldest T-Shirt. It amazes him that I think whether my hair is straight or not is important to how good I look.
Men and women are different that is the simple explanation