Cyclist Floyd Landis fails drugs test

Yeah! Get back to perfunctory postings!

Except for this:

later "brushed away" by this:


..and this:

brushed away by this:


Who knows?

I declare this can of worms to be well and truely open . And after this comment quite likely to be shut . I would like to thank everybody who made this thread possible, Bill Gates, Mr Babbage to mention but a few, thanks guys.

MoiLV,

I no longer have any desire to defend cycling but there was no +ve Cortisone test in 1999.

At the same 1999 Tour, Armstrong's urine showed traces of a glucocorticosteroid hormone, although the amount detected was well below the “positive� threshold.

Traces were found but the test was only interpreted as +ve by the French press.

You don't have to defend anything. I like Lance Armstrong just as much as the next person. I'm wearing his bracelet right now, because there are people in my life who are close to me have cancer and it is my way of supporting/hoping that they, too, will survive.

I do not, however, wish to dismiss the possibility, however big or small, that he had taken performance enhancing drugs, not because I don't believe he couldn't have won without them, but because it's become an unfortunate fad in sports.

I would rather have a 2 year ban personally

I know I don't have to but earlier in the week I was defending cyclist against the claim that every cyclist is doped. With the latest scandel I don't think I have any legs left to stand on, it just gets worse and worse.

Same ole shit from the same ole Crawlie. You know that all British athletes are dopers. Not one of them are legit. Dopers the lot of them. Sometimes you even sound like a doper. I bet your doing drugs right now. BTW, how are those little blue pills working for you.


Every man will test positive for testosterone except for maybe Crawlie cause he is a doper.

In fact, the level that Landis had was actually lower than normal. The thing is is that his epitestosterone level was also extremely low. That means his epitestosterone to testosterone ratio was funky and that is why they said he failed the A test. It is kind of hard to be a testosterone junkie and have a lower testosterone level than what is normal. This is what is normal for a male: 100 to 680 pg/ml.

The Süddeutsche Zeitung (German) has kindly published a list of doping incidents starting in 19-frigging-59, including such names as Merckx, Hinault, Thurau, (Ms.) Rasmus and Ullrich. A bit more than a fad, I think.

Geez.. Ullrich is another one. But he's just an idiot.

That's the thing that worries me about these drugs. Ullrich obviously thought that the drugs he was taking wouldn't be detected. No one publicly humiliated for testing positive for ecstacy, of all things, would dare touch another drug if their career depended on it!

So who knows what these guys are doing with themselves.

Wow Euro, predictable as ever... Just to prove to you that I am not totally anti-American I supported Tiger Woods throughout the British Golf Open... And what is with the same old shit? Do a bit of googling Euro (you know, that thing you have to do with one hand but stop looking for images this time) and you will see arguments to support my opinion, as well as arguments that suport your opinion, whatever it is... THat is the way it goes... I doubt the legitimacy of his victories, in fact quite a few people do, but he did it against other cheats so he proved he was the best several times... And, this takes nothing away from his remarkable comeback from the cancer that riddled his entire body. A truly inspiring story.

I wonder what the Southern Vietnamese Chicken Keepers weekly has to say on the subject...

I see what you are saying with the "blue pill" thing... Haha! Good one Euro! Subtle humour. Like it

There will be a news conference app. 17:30 (5:30) with Landis on CNN.

All these Americans cheats are at it

Easy Wee Mun. Euro may accuse you of being anti-american... Unbelievable. I have been in this country for 4 weeks now and have not been shot once. In fact, a lot of people share my opinions without first consulting some obscure website

My brother told me that they don't test for marijuana in the NBA. Can anyone confirm that? If it's true, that's hilarious.

Shouldn't be, imho, definitely not performance enhancing..

Barry Bonds, another fine example of a top american sportsman who has never touch a steroid in his life

Cheers GPC!

Sorry for the cycling fans... so many experts been claiming for years now that having a career in cycling isn't possible without doping anymore... . I really advice anyone who is interested in the the "how to do it", read the works of Dr. Michele Ferrari (doctor of US Postal and Lance Armstrong for the first six victories)... he was the genius when it came down to doping and no test could catch him or his athletes... these guys doing the job now are seen as amateurs by the doping investigators.

Ur welcome to watch a match with us anytime! Don't worry, I'll take care of the drugs!

OK. My TV is on. I hope you are right.

Haha... just read on Spiegel-Online that Landis claims his testosteron levels were that high due to a hormon treatment because of a misfunction of his Glandula thyroidea... amateur. This worked for Amrstrong with his testicular-cancer-treatment, since Corticosteroids are often given after chemotherapie... what a coincidence...

He's going live now!

Think I gotta quote myself...:

(Where's the shakin' me 'ead emoticon?)

I don't understand this bicycling lark. I've seen this year's Tour de France by complete accident. It really got in the way of what I was doing. Adult men dressed as gays riding bikes. Bleedin' daft. What makes it all the more incredible is that loads of cars follow them everywhere with empty seats and bike racks on the top. I'm, like, thinking, "Handy bike rack you got on that roof Mister. Nice motor." Besides, how can you go on tour sweating your nuts off (for those riders still with gonads) and just keep lookin' down at yer cogs. You don't get to see anything... so how can it be a worthwhile tour?

I suggest that they get all the competitors in a big warehouse near Paris and hook them up to the National Grid. The muppets that want to watch these nutters can then have a grandstand set up at one end of the warehouse, and the winner after 3 weeks is the peddlar who has generated the most kilowatts. First prize is 3 months rebate on his electricity bill, second place 2 months rebate, Etc.

You know it makes sense.

This is all very bizarre. So, Landis claims that his body produces "abnormal" levels of testosterone, yet he tested negative throughout the race APART FROM stage 17... So, his body does not consistently produce high levels. Now, when we look at stage 17 we see some remarkable events, especially considering the reports from the previous day that he was pretty much "dead and buried"...

Read the report here


Wow, that is extraordinary recovery from the man there. I want whatever he takes..

He takes thyroid medicine. Are you sure that you want that disease?

People who know nothing about testosterone and how it acts should get themselves informed.

My thyroid medicine never did that for me

Totally strange though that ALL tests came back negative apart from the one after his quite remarkable stage victory... Wow... Don't worry eurovol, I am not picking on him because he is Merrycan... They all deserve everything they get. Strange, you attack some sports that seem to allow victories that involve cheating but not those where Americans are implicated... Very strange indeed.

All conjecture, no absolute proof. The big story that was "proof" was when French journalist got hold of some results that showed a tiny amount of banned substance. The tour doctor said that it was a miniscule quantity and had come from a cream that he was using for saddle rash

Mate, if he gets off, then it is a fucking joke, written off by all the experts, just ran out of gas on stage 16, miraculous recovery, dodgy test result. Watched him being interviewed by larry king this morning, and he comes across as a right whiney bitch as well. Certainly doesn't sound like he has much testosterone!

Eurovol, you should try producing some testosterone yerself man, I remember the whining and moaning during the world cup. You would have failed a test during that for too much estrogen

Maybe Landis ain't a geezer after all. I mean, normal blokes don't ride bikes (except to get to the biergarten and back) in gay garb. That would also explain takin' testosterone. Has anybody official checked this bird's got bollocks yet?

I have a medical oriented question. How can a one off administration of testosterone right before stage 17 help him. From my understanding, testosterone needs a while before it improves performance. But if the tests are conclusive then he should be banned from the sport.

Landis is now without a ride
B sample positive

Correct. Testosterone is administered over several weeks to attain the desired effect (usually a minimum of three weeks). There is some anecdotal evidence that it can shorten muscle recovery time with less dosing, but that has not been 100% proven. As this test is bizarre to begin with (every male has testosterone), they test the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone which is still not very accurate. The thing is, if you want to dose testosterone, then you simply dose the correct amount of epitestosterone at the same time to keep the ratio within normal ranges. They all know this so why would anybody dose with only testosterone in the middle of a race where you will be checked for that very ratio?

Crawlie, cheating and diving in soccer needs no scientific test. I work in this field and I know that from one day to the next, test results can vary wildly. The human body is not static and there is no one size fits all measure. The results are standardized by ranges of normality, but that doesn't mean that someone with a high or low level of something one day will not be more normal the next without any outside influence. Hell, even eating poppy seed rolls will cause you to fail certain drug tests for opiates.

If Landis is innocent, then I hope he proves it. If he is guilty, then I hope he admits it.

Regardless, I can't resist this:
Shit, I would have thought that France would be happy that someone in their country finally had the balls to have high testosterone levels.

He is a facking cheat, I don't know, if you lot aren't stuffing your faces with burgers, you are down at BALCO getting drugged up

I really wish people who don't have a fucking clue about drugs or those who insist that the tooth fairy is real would stop posting as if they do know what they're on about. With regard to testosterone - which is a basic enough and naturally occurring steroid - it can be used to boost temporary performance provided the ester to which it is attached is short enough - e.g. testosterone suspension has an extremely short half-life and will give a very quick hit - if you use other esters such as cypionate or enanthanate you're looking at 2 weeks half life whereas you can lenthen it out further still with decanoate and get the hit over 6 weeks or so.

PRecisely my point.

Taking the shit does not make you an expert. Thanks for playing, please come back when you have a clue.

OK pal , point out to me where I'm wrong about test "since I work in this field". Go ahead demonstrate to the board once again your superior knowledge on the topic. LMAO!

Lance Armstrong had to shove in his oar, rushing to his former teammate's attack support:


(my bold)


(my addition in italics)


(yeah, the struck-through part is me being catty again)

So. Landis got caught and now he is "vowing to clear his name" without taking any legal action against the people that found him to be cheating. Funny how the drug cheats never do that especially when you consider his loss of earnings after being exposed as disgraceful fraud. How long will he hide behind this excuse of his body producing unnaturally high levels of testosterone? Funny that this was only shown after the most unbelievable comeback many people have ever seen in the world of cycling and the other tests turned out OK.

And to answer eurovol's next/previous/constantly repeated point which is to do with the cheating in football which he became interested in after the US got knocked out of the group stages of the World Cup the World Cup. Yes, these people should be handed bans and hefty fines as well.

Actually I don't agree with that at all - I accept professional sport for what it is - an exercise in making money - I absolutely do not believe that riding the Tour De France in the kind of times that modern pros do is humanly possible without pharmaceutical enhancement.

Football is full of cheats trying to gain an unfair advantage and influence the result of a game. These people need to be shown that it cannot be done.

Just had to make sure that didn't get altered with the edit function.

Never disagreed with you on that point.

Floyd Landis' Father-in-Law commits suicide

C'mon Crawlie - tell us that this is the guy who introduced Landis to pro racing. Don't make us read the whole thing to get the tidbits.

Oh sorry...


He apparently also introduced Landis to pro cycling...

Ahem

my god, that's awful, isn't it?
how must he feel now?

Not very much being that he's shot himself in the head. Oh, you mean Floyd? Not very good probably. Not as bad as his father-in-law though.

yeah, i meant floyd

Well, let the conspiracies fly