No charges against UK police in the Menezes case

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quelle surprise...

Getting blood all over the blinkin' place, bound to breach health and safety laws.

well, I think it's quite right that nobody was charged
I mean, where would we all be if the police couldn't go round shooting innocent people when they felt like it?

What say you that nobody had criminal charges brought against them for:

All the skiers that died in the tunnel fire in Austria due to neglect of following any health and safety laws.

The outdoor holidayers that died in Austria during the flash floods and the chap that died due to the bungee rope being longer than the drop at the same outdoor adventure establishment.

The two USAF pilots that severed the cable holding a cable car full of people in Italy, sending them to their deaths. The navigator wiped the black box and both admitted that they were flying illegally.

I am sure that your comment was inflammatory in so much as you imply that the police woke up one morning and decided that they "felt like" shooting someone:blink:
They made a mistake and should have to be answerable for that but I am sure that they dont just go around shooting someone because they have a bad day or "PMT".

sorry, you're quite right, of course, I'll rephrase:

where would we all be if the police couldn't go round shooting innocent people when they thought the dude looked a bit dodgy but weren't sure whether it was the right suspect cos the bloke who was meant to be doing a reccie on him was having a slash at the time

i think it would have been horrendous were the police charged. yes a mistake but would you rather the police were too scared to shoot at future "threats"? there would be total anarchy then.

If anyone should face charges, its the person who gave the order to shoot. The police who carried out the orders should not be held responsible. Where would we be all be if our forces didnt follow orders?

zey ver only following orders!

Yeah but even these people make mistakes despite sound judgement. This ruling is good as it stops police pussy footing around and possible save a lot of time in future terrorist situations. finally some sense in the courts.

What I want to know is, what crime was committed? Then, once you've identified the legislation that covers this crime I'll come back and shoot you down

Manslaughter.

seriously, if they were genuine mistakes, then fair enough, I suppose
but has there actually even been an inquiry into whether there was any incompetence or not?
they need to have a full inquiry by an independent body (not an internal inquiry), otherwise there will always be some people who will just view the whole exercise with a more than healthy dose of cynicism

Know your rights - All three of them

Number 1
You have the right not to be killed
Murder is a crime
Unless it was done by a Policeman
Or an aristocrat
Know your rights

Number 2
You have the right to food money
Providing of course you dont mind a little
Investigation, humiliation
And if you cross your fingers, rehabilitation

Number 3
You have the right to free speech
As long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it

Know these rights

Nothing ever changes.

About the only thing that you could level at them, but they were acting under the pretext that they were preventing a serious crime, i.e. the doctrine of self-defence. With my scant knowledge of the facts I'd say that self-defence would cover those that did the shooting, and probably those next up the chain of command who ordered it. Only crime, by way of negligence, therefore is that commited by the security officers who fucked up the surveillance - so what crime is that? I'd say the causal link to the crime is way too stretched at this point for manslaughter, and I'm not aware of another crime that fits the bill, except possibly an incitement to murder charge, and I seriously doubt that's got any legs either.

I'm not saying that nobody fucked up, but I think it's fairly clear that no crime was perpetrated - by all means sack a few people, but don't lock any up.

civil rather than criminal action, ie family sue the metropolitan police for damages. Jimbo??

Yeah, that I can see, and I daresay you'll hear something about it soon - they'll have to demonstrate a loss, in tort, on their part - the shock and emotional trauma should be pretty significant (bearing in mind you're talking about a large Roman Catholic family too, so lots of claimants).

Having said all of that, don't be surprised if they've already been paid damages - I've not heard much from the family of late.

Total waste of time and effort. History shows multiple cases of The Met murdering innocent victims, and then quickly misrepresenting the victim's image. This is then taken on board as fact by the media. Usually, the victim is portrayed as mentally ill or a drug user. Events since 911 have allowed the use of the 'terrorist' label to become more common.

Let's face it, the de Menezes family would be far better off saving their money. They ain't gonna get justice. Why should they when all the others haven't? Sometimes I think Amnesty International are wasting contributors gelt with all the other cases. When The Met crush your larynx or kick you until you are braindead, or shoot you umpteen times in the back of the head, invariably (as history shows over and over again) a jury will unanimously hand out a verdict of unlawful killing. The families take the officers to court (usually on manslaughter charges) and they walk free every single time. They look after their own. Murder is not a crime, except if you are an outsider. And they expect us to trust them.

Now if you're in London, and you got accidentally pumped with Met lead, I'm sure that is only because of your long history of schizophrenia, your severe personality disorder, the half ton of crack you were carrying in your left pocket, oh! and of course you being the No.3 at Al Qaeda.

At least the lying bastards got caught out: Menezes picture 'was manipulated'.

London suffered. Londoners suffered. It's about time somebody came forwards to blow the whistle on this cesspit of lies.