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Former Nazi German Concentration Camp of Auschwitz

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jml
I thought this might be of interest to some of you.

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WARSAW, Poland (Reuters) -- The United Nations has agreed to rename Auschwitz concentration camp
to stress that Nazi Germans, not Poles, were responsible for the world's most notorious death camp, Poland's Culture Ministry said on Wednesday.

"Auschwitz Concentration Camp", a U.N. heritage site, will be renamed "the Former Nazi German Concentration Camp of Auschwitz", the ministry of culture said in a statement.

Poland asked the U.N. in April to rename Auschwitz, where 1.5 million people, mostly Jews, died in World War Two.

Warsaw objects to references to "Polish gas chambers" at the "Polish concentration camp" in foreign media. Nearly 3 million non-Jewish Poles died at Nazi hands, and Poles see themselves as victims of the war.

Full story on CNN: Auschwitz renamed
bluedave
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Surely everyone knows it was Nazis that ran the camps ?
boomtown_rat
I'd be amazed if anyone didn't know it was the nazis (I guess people could think Poles helped though) but I suppose if they called such camps in Britain 'British gas chambers' it might annoy a few people
bucket06
The Polish equivalent of Sir Humphrey Appleby would be proud of that one. What a waste of time and effort. The name Auschwitz is all it takes to remind people.
Inflatablewoman
Why not just sell it brick by brick to the Americans? I am sure Auschwitz would get more visitors if it was situated somewhere near Tuscon.
mere
why Tucson? think UA needs something near it since it doesn't get as much as ASU or what?
MonksTown
QUOTE (boomtown_rat @ Jul 12 2006, 3:12 pm) *
I guess people could think Poles helped though

Although Poland and Poles were victims of the Nazi war of agression and destruction there was / is (?) a large anti semitic stream in Poland and there were plenty of Poles who enjoyed the odd pogrom.

I travel a lot and want to know where I see the most fascist grafitti? Yes: Poland.
patylein
This is a statement I found in Polish daily Rzeczpospolita, perhaps it will shed some light on this decision

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Dear Sir,
Dear Colleague,
Acting as the Editor-in-Chief of the "Rzeczpospolita" daily, the most renowned opinion-forming Polish daily newspaper that has always focused on truth and the compliance with the ethical principles also in the sphere of journalism I have noticed with pain and grief that in many renowned newspapers all over the world a term "Polish concentration camps" appears time and again with the harm to the Poles. Over decades this unacceptable shortcut in thinking seems to have gained more and more popularity rather than to have been replaced by knowledge of history. I want to believe that the reason for using the above term is haste and professional negligence rather than ill will.

Let me remind that Poland lost its sovereignty as the state in September 1939 and was the territory in Europe that was occupied the longest by Nazi Germany. There was no collaborative government in Poland. Poles in no way participated in the administrative decisions of the German authorities. The concentration camps were established on the territory of Poland by the German officials and were supervised by the German personnel. People going to gas chambers were selected by the German army officers. The death sentences were executed by the German officials. These were the German death camps where members of various nationalities lost their lives, primarily Jews, but also Poles.

The Polish society, organised in the form of underground state, took a lot of efforts to save people doomed for extermination. Despite alarms sent to the allies about genocide the Polish society did not receive any assistance. In the West nobody believed or did not want to believe in the information about mass genocide that was first delivered to the allies by the members of Polish resistance movement.

I would like to remind you that Poland was the first victim of Hitler and that as a result of war 6 million Polish citizens including 3 million Polish Jews lost their lives and that the size of the Polish armed efforts makes Poles the fourth largest force of the anti-Nazi coalition. The participants of this fight and victims of martyrdom and their descendants perceive the term "Polish concentration camps" as an insult.

I appeal to you in the name of professional decency: write as frequently as possible about the concentration camps and the extermination so that they never repeat again. But do write truth.

Grzegorz Gauden
The Editor-in-Chief
UrbanAngel
QUOTE (mere @ Jul 12 2006, 3:25 pm) *
why Tucson? think UA needs something near it since it doesn't get as much as ASU or what?

Huh? What've I done now?

I always thought that Ausschwitz was a 'funny' name for a concentration camp. 'Sweat out'... hmm maybe my black humour isn't to everyone's taste smile.gif
jml
Thanks patylein. I have to admit that when I first read about the name change I thought "what for" but yeah on reflection theres a huge distinction between location and sponsorship. If I were Polish I would want that distinction made.
Renia
I belong to a Polish Media Issues Group and the active members find one or two mentions of "Polish concentration camps" and "Polish gas chambers" in press all around the world every week, and then they ask for retractions of course... smile.gif

The trouble was that not everyone is and will be in the future well educated about WWII and Nazism and even if Poland has an anti semitic reputation at present (?) due to a few bad eggs, the continual mention of Polish concentration camps only serves to confuse the matter.

I think it is a pity though that whoever decided the name change did not just make it to "the Former Nazi Concentration Camp of Auschwitz", and they have to continue to drag Germany through the guilt mire...
krakp
QUOTE (jml @ Jul 12 2006, 3:09 pm) *
Nearly 3 million non-Jewish Poles died at Nazi hands, and Poles see themselves as victims of the war.

Sounds like the Jewish Poles were not Poles, and like if it hadn't been for the non-Jewish Poles who also died at Nazi hands, the Poles wouldn't consider themselves as victims.

It's true that Hitler aimed most of his killing efforts at the Jews, but at this time they were not really a nationality - much more a religious community. There were many Jews all over Europe, in the same way there were many Catholics or Protestants...And they were citizens of the countries they lived in, so dividing the killed Poles into Jewish and non-Jewish is like dividing the killed Englismen into catholic and non-catholic...

Anyway good that the name will at least be changed...
Eleanor Rigby
QUOTE (Renia @ Jul 12 2006, 4:57 pm) *
I think it is a pity though that whoever decided the name change did not just make it to "the Former Nazi Concentration Camp of Auschwitz", and they have to continue to drag Germany through the guilt mire...

I agree, I think this still has to do with apportioning blame. They don't want the Polish name associated with it but have no problem associating it with Germany. Auschwitz has absolutely nothing to do with modern Germany and Germans so the same rationale should be applied.
planetmoni
i wish the name would include the years ie 19xx-1945 or something to make clear that it is history...
Slayer
duh! wouldnt the word 'former' suffice?
Yeti
The camp remained in use after 1945, I don't think there were any major structural changes or nice touches like pretty curtains.

Totalitarian regimes love ready made camps.
planetmoni
"former" could mean last year...

@yeti: might explain why no years...
Slayer
A former Nazi Concentration Camp which was operational till last year ohmy.gif
parnell
QUOTE (Yeti @ Jul 12 2006, 5:17 pm) *
The camp remained in use after 1945, I don't think there were any major structural changes or nice touches like pretty curtains.

Totalitarian regimes love ready made camps.

Actually the Poles entirely rebuilt Auschwitz after the Nazis destroyed it...

http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/ht...omora_1_ok.html
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