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Movie: Spider-Man 3

Consensus opinion is that it sucks

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Joliet Jake
The release date is almost a year off (May 4, 2007), but the first trailer for Spider-Man 3 has hit the web.

I believe it's supposed to shown in theaters when Superman Returns is released.
pootle
Not a bad trailer, be intresting how they go on with the story with the son of the bad guy...

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hams
OMG - Aracnovader!
sandpiper
Cool. Venom. Evil alien symbiotic spidey suit make spidey problems for spidey.
Joliet Jake
Here's the latest trailer: http://www.ifilm.com/presents/spiderman3.

Evil symbiote? Check. Goblin Jr? Check. Sandman as well? Check. This is scheduled to debut theatrically with Casino Royale .
3 Lions
Exclusive scenes from Spiderman 3 (7 minutes)

**Spoilers**

Spiderman 3

Mariposa
Looks good. I'm looking forward to seeing that movie. smile.gif
Joliet Jake
If the movie isn't going to be enough for you when it arrives in a couple of weeks, you can also look forward to Spider-Man: The Musical. blink.gif
Lexicon
OK, so probably in a short while this thread will be modded to 'Spiderman 3: Reviews of the Film', but for now:

I just saw Spiderman 3 and it SUCKS!!!

That had to be the worst movie of the past year. The only suck movie I can compare it to is Mission Impossible 3. It was horrible, exceedingly boring, and 3 hours long!
3 Lions
I wouldnt say the film sucked that bad, for me it was frustrating at times to watch. I've read a couple of reviews and each says the same thing, using Sandman AND Venom took away valuable storyline from Peter Parker. Just one of those and Goblin Jnr would have been enough.

But yes, you are right its a poor film.
profundo
The 3 dimensional fight scenes were the best yet. In the first movie, we had to wait till the end credits to see SM web around in a really cool 15 second scene. In SM-3 the fights were really 3D. IE: SM beats Harry because he can web up, to the right and back around, while Harry only continues his 2 dimensional thinking (cue Spock)- from his new angle SM takes the audience with him and makes us all think "wow, that was a neat visual- no wonder he beat Harry because I can't even think that fast".

***Sort of spoilers/rant***
The implementation of the black costume was all wrong. The suit is supposed to read your mind and change into what ever you want it to be. (police uniform, casual hoodie and jeans, sm costume, etc.) That's why it was so cool for PP to wear it at first. But he as time wore on he could tell it was bonding to him and making him feel more violent and blood thirsty. This alien symbiote feeds off of aggression and loves it when you get angry. What it doesn't do is make you have an evil 'Solid Gold' moment as you get back at your girlfriend in a club.

There was no witty repartee. SM always makes jokes as he fights his enemies and that incenses them to make mistakes. There were no jokes this time.

MJ is supposed to be successful. Her acting/modeling career is replaced with Broadway in the cinematic version but she is supposed to be world famous and gorgeous like Cindy Crawford- not failing at everything she does like a pimply nosed kid. Her career supports Peter's sporadic photography habit.

Harry is not supposed to die and neither is Venom. Now there will be no SM-4. Here their lives were sacrificed so that we could have the hero sniveling like a broken man, sad for his choices in life. The original Green Goblin is the only villain that dies and that is after he kills Peter Parker's girlfriend Gwen Stacey (the police commissioner's daughter) on the Washington St. Bridge well before SM meets Mary Jane. No other villain is supposed to die- ever. They are supposed to just go away for a while and regroup so that they can continue to be a threat for SM. He can't exist without them and he can't kill them. Even the symbiote should be safely guarded, but SM chucked a Pumpkin bomb at him to destroy him. That wouldn't happen. The (apparent) demise of the Sandman was an accident, and that should have absolutely destroyed Parker and made him more resolute not to kill. What it shouldn't do is make him so happy he runs off giggling to tell Aunt May about it. One of SM's key character features is that he defends the life of anyone, including his enemies. Not only does he defend their lives, he defends them with prejudice against even himself. Regardless if they are going to kill again, regardless if they are going to fight him forever, he can't do anything more than temporarily neutralize them and try to reason with them. Anything else would be wrong.

I also didn't like the sappy ending. A sad hero is not what SM is. He is supposed to push all this emotion down and let it out by being the best damn crime fighter around the tri-state-area. The point in the middle of the movie when he was all alone sitting in his room is when he should trust in his true mettle and be who he is. Instead he weakly opts for the black costume (which should have been done unintentionally) and regrets it later with the "at any point, you have a choice" message that he teaches Sandman.

I guess the real reason this movie sucks for me is that I have identified with the comic book character on several levels as the years waned on. He is the super hero I wished I could be and I lived vicariously through the pages of the comics in my youth. However, this sappy, sniveling, murdering, enemyless, evil dance break dancing, hollow hero is nothing I would expect anyone to identify with.

And the dance break from evil Parker just ruined it for me. What was Stan Lee thinking letting Sam Raimi get away with that? Apparently the Germans liked it from their applause reaction but everyone else just groaned. blink.gif
Joliet Jake
When the audience laughs during what is supposed to be an emotional death scene at the end, then you know you've done something wrong. They've done a lot of things wrong here, primarily in the way the whole film was written and in the poor quality of Tobey Maguire's acting.
maddul
At least it wasnt as bad as that piece of shite money waster Sunshine.
jamie
What a disaster of a film. Big fan of the comics and the first two films. This was one of those films where you think to yourself... hang on a minute... what's this film actually about? They rammed too much into this at once. Love story, love - triangle or square, inner demons, murder, revenge, intergalactic black goo, Sandmans dying child all interspersed with boring action scenes where you don't care what happens because a) the story is so boring, and cool.gif Spidey gets repeatedly smashed my a giant sand monster and still doesn't die, instead he has a hole in his costume. I suppose you could just imagine a couple of Sony executives sitting around going "Okay! Lets basically do everything that worked from the first two films but exaggerate them. Plus lets have loadsa villians this time. Think of the free toys we could put in the Coco Pops people!"
The really sad fact is that this film really could have been the best Spiderman flick yet. The storyline, characters, effects, they all hinted that they could be great. Instead we end up with a boring, drawn out, shite parade.
3 Lions
With the black suit, I accepted they didnt do the whole 'it morphs in to whatever Peter thinks' thing. The film should have introduced the suit early on and Peter going bad, pushing MJ away etc and the bring in Venom when he gets rid of the suit. The great think about the Venom character when he first came in was that he torments Peter for a while(Visiting MJ, Aunt may) before trying to kill him. Peter discovers early on that his spider sense doesnt work with Venom(Anyone notice that they didnt use spider sense at all in the movie?). Plus in the background you'd have Harry playing the mind games also, teaming up with Venom at the finale before turning on Venom to help Peter. Harry is a schizophrenic and in the comics constantly switched between good and bad, he did eventually die in the comics.

I think the above is plenty to keep the film going for well over two hours, they could have easily kept Sandman for Spiderman 4, hell we've seen Dr Kurt Connors for the last two movies, but they've done nothing with the Lizard storyline.

Gwen Stacy, what was the point of her in the film? Again one character too many, if they wanted the whole love triangle, they'd have brought her in the last films and built it up that way. Gwen Stacy was actually the original girlfriend of Peter Parker, Stan Lee wanted to bring in a third girl as competition for Gwen so he created Mary Jane but he didnt envision that the readers would take to her more. So I guess it would have been MJ snapping her neck on the bridge had people not liked her character.
MPIchaos
Whether it sucks or not, Cinema Muenchen will still be showing a bazillion more times this month:

http://www.cinema-muenchen.de/englisch/default.htm
kimf
Wow, it sounds like it's a real failure! And I was so looking forward to it.
Fons
Hey I havent seen it yet and really want to. Where are the theaters that play in english? I live in Bamberg so anywhere near there.
Lexicon
www.roxy-nuernberg.de

Last night there about 10 or 12 army guys there from Bamberg.

Take the train to N-hauptbahnhof, go down to the U-1 u-bahn line (Langwasser Sud) go one stop. get off at Aufsetzplatz, exit the u-bahn, then turn around and go to the Tram stop in the middle of the street. Take the #8 tram to Sudfriedhof. Get off at the sudfriedhof stop, turn left and walk about 200 yards. You'll see the roxy on your left.

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Fons
Thanks alot man. You rock!
perdido
Well this finally got posted to youtube so I will post it here. Movie may have sucked but this commercial is funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJkvQOTxdCY
Room 101
i was there with like this girl and the whole time i was thinking man she must be hating me for dragging her to this crappy movie; but then at the credits i looked at her with this ok i'm sorry look on my face and she was all hey that wasn't so bad so now i am wondering what her problem is.
Mariposa
I haven't seen it yet because I need to go to Mannheim to see it in English, and I haven't had the time, and now I am wondering whether I really need to see it.
Carm
I haven't seen 1 or 2, so, guess I will not be rushing out to see 3 now. rolleyes.gif
Mariposa
I've seen 1 & 2, actually own both on DVD as well... I will probably eventually see 3 as well, just not like tomorrow.
FuzzyTony
Hmmm. It can't be that bad if Rotten Tomatoes has given it an average rating of 62% from the critics reviews.

And it seems to be doing very well at the box office so far:

'Spidey 3' Soared Past $59 Mil Friday; Sets Biggest U.S. Opening Day Record; Scores Highest Single Day Global Gross

'Spider-Man 3' Sets Opening Day Record

Still, I might just download the torrent wait until it's out on DVD rather than see it in the theater.

dbxpurdue
maybe watching the 3 episodes in a row on big screen will give it a good dimension
kateTV
I saw it at the flicks and I'm sorry that I wasted my money and time. ohmy.gif
theLSB
QUOTE
He can't exist without them and he can't kill them.

What are you guys talking about?
He didn't kill anyone (although he THOUGHT at first that he did - and even than it was the "black suit SM").
He didn't kill the goblin but the "bad spider man" (his colleague) did (and the Goblin offered him self to save SM).

All in all, I didn't think the movie was that bad.
And I am glad I saw it at the cinema, because you loose the effect of the nice 3D action shots (and there was quite some of them, like when the goblin attacks SM the first time) on the small screen.
Its definitively not an Oscar candidate, but its worth the money for the ticket.
Its true, it could have been SO much better, but still, it was better than the previous two, specially because it was (trying) to be a movie for grounups as well.
The first two were totally for kids, totally comics like, two dimensional - black-white, good-bad, good wins.
Here they changed the theme, the comics settings was just a background to various themes the movie was trying to tackle.
All though "good and bad" are still quite prominent, there are much more gray areas on the parts of all characters (well, not SM's aunty).
This Spider Man is a bit like "Batman begins" in a way, with what they tried to do.
I agree, they should have tone down on the relationships thing, instead, they should have marked less aspects and go deeper on them.
Never the less - this movie is more layered than the previous ones, and I find it better.
Its a nice summer movie, that will be fast forgotten, but for going out for a nice evening, its OK.
Keydeck
QUOTE (Room 101 @ May 5 2007, 2:06 am) *
i was there with like this girl and the whole time i was thinking man she must be hating me for dragging her to this crappy movie; but then at the credits i looked at her with this ok i'm sorry look on my face and she was all hey that wasn't so bad so now i am wondering what her problem is.

She's a fucking idiot. Dump her.

QUOTE (FuzzyTony @ May 5 2007, 9:19 pm) *
Hmmm. It can't be that bad if Rotten Tomatoes has given it an average rating of 62% from the critics reviews.

'Cause they know a good movie? Fuck's sake.

QUOTE (theLSB @ May 6 2007, 10:14 pm) *
This Spider Man is a bit like "Batman begins" in a way, with what they tried to do.

No it isn't. Nuff said. It's cartoon shite and not in a good way.
bluedave
Not sure why anyone should be surprised that Spidey 3 is shite, so were Spidey 1 and 2 imho huh.gif
Lifeisabuffet
I am going to give Spiderman 3 a chance. I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion, just like some loved 300 and some loathed it.
Tiggi
QUOTE (Keydeck @ May 6 2007, 11:21 pm) *
She's a fucking idiot. Dump her.

Aw. She might just like him enough to want to make him feel better! Then again, maybe she's an optimist. Those people are annoying. wink.gif
Keydeck
And should be shot in the head. Twice.
maddul
QUOTE (FuzzyTony @ May 5 2007, 9:19 pm) *
Hmmm. It can't be that bad if Rotten Tomatoes has given it an average rating of 62% from the critics reviews.

Yeah same place that gave Sunshine an 88% rating. dry.gif
theLSB
QUOTE (Keydeck @ May 6 2007, 11:21 pm) *
No it isn't. Nuff said.

Yes it is!
Don't talk about what you don't understand.

QUOTE (Keydeck @ May 6 2007, 11:21 pm) *
It's cartoon shite and not in a good way.

The first 2 were, this one is less so.

QUOTE (Keydeck @ May 6 2007, 11:41 pm) *
And should be shot in the head. Twice.

Isn't that a waste of a bullet? (the second)
ski
Looks like this film now has the record for the the highest grossing opening weekend ever taking in $382 million internationally, beating the previous record held by Revenge of the Sith which only took $303 million.

IMDB
kateTV
its really a shame that WE all believed that our money is well spent... dry.gif
tartan
Plot crititicism/acting ability...blah blah

It's a fucking childrens comic. I liked the Marvel comics when it came out (when I was 8/9). SM 3 was just like the later comics, bit repetitive same ol same ol. But I thought it was OK for a film of a childrens comic.

I expect if the The Clangers made a feature film people would say the script was not as good as the original TV series.

Toby McGuire is a shite actor as shown by the death scene:Therefore he is perfect for a 2D comic strip character.
Marshbot
I hear there's a really amazing bit of cinematography where Spidey pauses and as chance would have it, happens to be posing in front of a giant American flag while it ripples lovingly in the wind. It's apparently quite moving.
I do love this kind of innovative camera work and scene set up so I just can't wait to see it. I always know it's a quality movie when it's got a bit of the old national pride going on in there. You don't see it that often outside of Hollywood and there always seems to be something missing when I watch other movies and they neglect to slow-pan the camera across their nations symbolism or have fireworks, their anthem and people crying at the end. What's with that? Don't they know how to make movies?

What I want to know is, who was the genius who leant over the brainstorming table and said "Guys, I have this idea.. now call me crazy but you know the flag, right? Well, get this..."
So subtle, so powerful, it just reeks of quality and must-see, classic cinema.

I wonder if they thought of putting a big emotional ending on this one with people crying or fireworks, that kind of thing? Actually, I copyright that idea, does anyone have the phone number for Hollywood? They'll want to hear what I'm thinking right now, that's for sure.

Anyway, if there's a 3 at the end of the movie title you know it's gonna be good, why else would they make 3?
I can't wait.
kateTV
@marshbot... I have always gone my way without critics and normally would say go and see it yourself for any given movie. rolleyes.gif

I would love to hear what you like about the movie afterwards. If you like camera work then I guess you look for the edit aswell... edit in itself is sloppy, .. the actors looked bored and bored me.
tartan
QUOTE (Marshbot @ May 10 2007, 9:24 am) *
I hear there's a really amazing bit of cinematography where Spidey pauses and as chance would have it, happens to be posing in front of a giant American flag while it ripples lovingly in the wind. It's apparently quite moving.

Can't wait for Captain America!
3 Lions
Jeez, I'd forgot about the flag bit, that wasnt good.

Are they doing a Captain America yet? The next big marvel film will be Iron Man, which is due out May 2nd 2008. Here's a pic of Robert Downey Jnr in the red & Gold suit. This picture is not CGI and its actually RDJ in the suit.

tartan
QUOTE (3 Lions @ May 10 2007, 9:50 am) *
Jeez, I'd forgot about the flag bit, that wasnt good.

Are they doing a Captain America yet? The next big marvel film will be Iron Man, which is due out May 2nd 2008. Here's a pic of Robert Downey Jnr in the red & Gold suit. This picture is not CGI and its actually RDJ in the suit.

Ah well in the playground I was the Iron Man (the best fighter in primary school always was the Hulk). So I hope this will be good: just like the comic book!

What about Dr Strange/ Silver Surfer.

Flag bit in SM 3 was laughable Jingoistic nonsense in my view.
chi-town
I know that many critics say the movie sucked, but I thought it was pretty good.

I got a chance to see a pirated dvd copy at my neighbors house last night (apparently recorded in some theater on the West Side of Chicago... I am glad at least that my neighbor is supporting the local criminal economy rather than buying outsourced pirated products from China...). It was a little long, but as long as there was a "Pause" button to use in order to grab some more beer or use the bathroom, the length of the movie was not a problem. "Citizen Kane" it is not, but still an entertaining 2 hour film.

Chi-town
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