Racialism in football

the one thing that i have noticed so far is this damn PC thing about football uniting the world. well where are the black referees? did i miss one in some of the games? or was he not there, i mean there is a whole continent here and i would think that there would be at least two of them around. they even have a iranian ref!

me no likey this

oh, btw, the world is going chocolate!

white or dark chocolate ??

Pick one! Think they just don't get enough experience in their home-countries - that's all.

I would have thought Coffi Codjia from Benin and Peter Prendergast from Jamaica are probably black but I haven't seen them. I'm surprised there are no Scandinavians actually

its 'racism' btw

Codjia officiated Spain v Saudi Arabia

thanks BR, that was just a play on words, had heard that at the beergarden yesterday from a TT'er and thought it nice to add

and i guess the iranians or saudis or whatever have soo much more experience! i still think there should be representation, i mean i have seen posts here lambasting the quailty of decisions made by ref's, so why not have a bad black ref instead of a bad spaniard ref or somesuch!

did you not read my post about the referees from Jamaica and Benin?

black enough for you...?

actually i think you can use both words, though most commen is racism.


Is the lack of black referees automatically racist? Perhaps the are simply no referees who are good enough. If nations had to qualify inter-continentally rather than just within their continent, I doubt any african teams would qualify either. Would this be racist or just refelcting who the better teams are?

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of course your statement made it perfectly clear BR

OG, i think it is about making football popular and i think some of the african teams have vindicated themselves, do you think increasing the europeon quota for the WC would have helped, I think I have seen some quite unimaginative and boring display from the europeon teams that have in fact made the cut for the WC.

Arshoo is Bad Bob in disguise! Well I never...

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Knee injury, pah, that's just the cover story. It's pure racialism!

oh, i understand completely why they use the current system and I sort of agree with it for precisely the reasons you give. However, it isn't really fair on the 10+ nations from Europe and South America that are probably far better than many of the teams who did qualify.

I think it might be better to have some sort of international competition prior to the World Cup (perhaps the year before) where lower ranked teams can compete to qualify. Sort of like a second-tier world cup with maybe all semi finalists qualifying for the real World Cup, irrelevant of which continent they happen to belong.

arshoo, have to disagree with you on your comment on european teams.
there are have been unimaginative games from all sides. i can think of quite a few teams.
aim of football is to score, so if all these imaginative teams play well but cannot score, with the nature of the game you have a problem.
i think world class teams are defined my team spirit, skill and scores.

So like an Intertoto cup for the World Cup? great idea, OG, great idea

The biggest spankings this world cup have been recieved by European teams anyway (S&M, Ukraine). If it means that England can be crap and still make the quarters then keep it as it is.

You mean like the current system of the Eurovision Song Contest?

That's what qualifiers basically are already...

Anyone who's watched African Cup of Nations matches will realize that teams over there still have a lot to learn about tactical discipline and defending before they are ever going to be a real threat on the world stage.

No not really, because they are still continent specific.

And they chucked this bloke out for being folically challenged. Hairist I calls it.



Or maybe because he is a Lazio fan.

Ahhh... You heard about that story too then, I see...

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Got it.

Would increase the chances of Wales and Scotland gettng thru to the World Cup then!!!

Oh yeah... and his sponsorship deal from AC Milan's sponsor, OPEL.

Still, I reckon if Sepp Blatter had any balls (highly unlikely), that he'd draft Collina into FIFA as the refs manager, trainer, evaluator and coach. Can't think of anybody better.

no it is not. Teams qualify according to which continent they located on. This means if oyu happen to be a shit team from, say, Iran you can still qualify, whereas far better teams from other continents can't. An inter-continental competition would give these teams another chance to qualify.

I dunno why they don't do it like The FA Cup: put all the lower ranking teams into the draw for the first two rounds, and then introduce the high ranking teams into the home-and-away knockout competition until 32 are left to go to the finals. No continental areas. Everybody in one draw. Would make for entertaining viewing if a minnow dumped a major in the 3rd round.

how would you define major or minnow?

If you use the fifa rankings then the USA would be a major despite being shit, and Oz would be a minnow despite being not bad at all.

Yeah, but all three would be majors against minnows like Andorra, Leichtenstein and San Marino.

one could start by coming up with a decent ranking system, a bit like the one used by the IRB.

edit: you could also do it so that all teams who qualified for the previous finals start the qualifying process in the later stages.

Interesting choice of words.

I don't know if it was deliberate or just chance, but it is still an interesting choice of words.

You get knee injuries by walking into chairs.
Weren't there some Egyptian refs at the World Cup last time around?

When is "Cool Refeeriing" going to be on DVD ?

egyptians are more in the "the world is going chocolate" mould!

yes, you get knee injuries by walking into chairs and also by being in the sun too long i believe!