England fans held by riot police

I think the point Jeeves was making was will a banning order really stop these people coming to Munich and causing trouble if they want to. Surely sending them back to the UK would have been a more effective method?

aye. look at your post. choob

England has yet to be knocked out of the whole championship, wonder if there'll be rioting if/when we are?

well if you read JDee's post it sounds like they're bloody thickies, if they break the order i can imagine them being then flown home. i personaly feel they should have the passports confiscated when they return and banned from leaving the country for the next ten years. oh and their pictures on the front page of the sun.

Forgot I should dumb down my posts a bit for a (former?) casual.

Libetarian that I am, if they just caught up being in the wrong place at the wrong time then I think a banning order is shite.

They'll be hailed as heroes then! You know how Sun readers are!

That's a slur on Sun Reader...me included as I read the Sun - especially after an England Game!!

I used to hide a copy of the Sun inside Playboy cos it was less embarrasing.

Edited: I also read the Guardian so do I get points for that!!!

'Sun' and 'reader' in the same sentence is a contradiction in terms. Does one need to be able to read to 'read' The Sun?

After the Charleroi rioting and all the pictures appeared in The Sun, we had a temp working in our office who was chuffed to pieces that it was her cousin on the Front Page squaring up to Police!! Needless to say, she didnt stay with us very long.

Okay I bow to the weight of evidence then...I shall continue to look at the Sun and leaving the reading to the Broad Sheets!!!

I picked up the Mirror the other day and think that it's just the sun-lite...(okay sun-lite and left-wing-lite).

did anybody else see the villification of poor Graham Poll in the Sun the other day?
"Fool Poll's coming home" (instead of "Football's coming home")
I mean, I know he screwed up, but that was a bit brutal
clicky (in case you missed it)

I think it's funny!! they do have a way with words at the Sun

The worst thing for poor Poll, is that for 80 minutes he was perfect, and do not think he got a decision wrong (unlike the ref last night) but just lost his head after the 80th minute.

All very fine and dandy, but how practicable is this ban? If these guys arrive by car or train there is almost no possibility of filtering them and dumping them outside city limits. I'm sure Taufkirchen for example won't be happy to suddenly host 100-odd pissed-off and pissed-up Englishmen.

Munich Hbf was/is CRAWLING with little green elves, also in plain clothes.

England fans wearing colours / drinking beer / talking loudly / singing are possibly likely to get controlled at the station or on inbound trains and any banned ones hoofed out.

Seems to work alright for them at Oktoberfest time.

banning order can't be inforced.. but if they are caught misbehaving in Munich when already banned the consequences will be far more severe I guess

Suely that would be enough to deport a handfull to give eversonye the story they have been waiting for.
The FA and Scum newspaper can get all indignant and Backstein can wave his c*** on Bayerisches Fernsehen.

But not if they've been banned from the Theresienwiese.

i get the impression there has been an agreement with all media to keep any reporting about any scuffles - which they are at the moment at a minimum. i get the impression the media have been told again to concentrate on the 99.5% having a party or lose your acreditation for the next wm.

I disagree, I think there have been less scuffles to report.

This has been said before on Octoberfest threads but drunken Germans just aren't as aggressive as their English speaking counterparts.

sorry but the white chair throwing of charleroi lasted as long as the one in stuttgart - from what i've been told from reliable sources - the difference has been the preration and response. belgiums water cannons or german police squads. and the media attention given. i hope though too that that was it from our fellow rather dim and stupid countrymen who feel that they can come over here and do this. fucking animals, i bet they're all southerners. but there again football is a prole game ;-)

rubbish. male drink tourists are often aggresive. i've seen and been the recieving person of enough german drunken aggresivity at the o'fest.

German men are all mouthy and will pick on people weakeror smaller than themsleves but as soon as you stand up to them they tend to back down and shy away from an actual fight.

you mean in other words they are cowards?

You can apply that logic to most groups of men regardless of their nationality. Brave when outnumbering the abusee 20 to 1, more "reserved" when the situation is 1 on 1.

What are your 'reliable sources'?
This quote
is from the Guardian's report.

It's not fair to tar all visiting England fans with the same brush.

true especialy when that deamon drink is in 'em.

jurnos, and ones who dont like english supporters to boot. i personaly hold the lot of them responsible for alot of crap when it comes to fans. bunch of stirrers really.

Kind of related so I'll add it here.

I was at the Fan Park in the Munich OEZ for the match yesterday. Just after the match finished I was standing at the top of the steps and noticed these three "English supporters" walking past. Now I'm English so this isn't a slag of English fans but I have to say I took one look at these guys and just thought "f@#k". These guys just looked the stereotype of thugs. It wasn't the tatoos, it wasn't the fact that they were ugly as hell. It was just their look. They just seemed to be radiating menace (not anger). Have you ever seen Christopher Walken in True Romance- That bit when he's "asking" the father where his son is? Like that.

They wandered aound just looking- mainly at girls (fair enough) but then would just look at people and stare them out. They seemed ready to "go off" at any moment. Erratic movements, random dancing, then flex muscles. Bizarre...

I watched them for about 10 mins and then noticed these two german guys seemed to be aimlessly walking after them. These guys were well built, short haircuts but their clothes were more casual than their look. In other words classic undercover cops. I pointed them out to my companions and we watched the two groups for a minute or two when suddenly the two cops started walked off to a point about 100m away- Obviously their backup had spotted us, spotting them.

Funny but weird at the same time.

Don’t you believe it, it just doesn’t get reported

A couple of mates of mine flew over the other week. Whilst waiting for their flight from Manchester airport they kept getting lads dressed in England shirts coming up and chatting to them. Quite casual at the beginning “hey up mate where you from� . Then they started trying to dig for info out of them about where they were staying, were they going to the match, are you meeting up with anyone when you get there, etc, etc. My mates being the clued up people they are knew straight away who they were.

I mean seriously tho do the OB think that they can’t be spotted from a mile away? Reminds me of two of them sat in the Red Lion on a Stoke v Vale derby drinking lemonade ffs. Doh!!!

Well i know of someone who was there and was told it started off by a German hitting an English female in the face.
As to being proud when it boils down to the National team well hell yes.We gave the world a game to play.

Are these figures correct? You can have ten idiots causing trouble, but the riot police go in and arrest anyone in the vacinity. So not everyone is a hooligan!