Gatlin sets 100 metres world record of 9.76s

Gatlin sets 100 metres world record of 9.76

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Gatlin admits failing drugs test - BBC News

Now, will he be asked to return the Olympic medals? And will his time of 9.77 annulled?

Michael Johnson has called for him and his coach to be banned for life unless he quickly comes up with proof that he did not knowingly take anything. Damn right too!!

Eurovol, are you noting this, another american drugs cheat!!

No. And he keeps his medals.

talking of drugs cheats and abusers in general, are there any cross-sport standards or agreements for banning drugs cheats/abusers. Recently a footbal player was banned for cocaine use for 8 months. A rugby player adnitting the same offence was banned for two years. There are also marked differences in bans for performance enhancing drugs. I am surprised that governing bodies don't do more to coordinate their efforts, policies, controls and bans.

OG, because by the time you've clawed, elbowed and bit your way to the top of a national or international sports governing body you are probably a power junky. The sport is just a sideline.

It would be tricky though, wouldn't it. Drugs like beta-blockers would help you in some sports (e.g. snooker) and hinder you in others (e.g. sprinting).

So are you saying freestyle Sprint-snooker could, by it's very nature, be drug free ?

Gatlin tested positive before, when he was in college. Some ingredient of his ADD medication was banned and he hadn't listed the medication. But this would be his second incident, resulting in a life-long ban. The result of his test was a whopping 11:1, the limit is 4:1.

Yeti, biathalon is a good actual example. Need steady calmness for shooting, need strong endurance and fast movements for the skiing. Yet I think some have still got done for drug use.

bet he just got fake gear - same as happened with Ben Johnson - thought he had some super duper undetectable stuff he payed top $ for and just got plain ol cheap test.

Has he come up with a really lame excuse yet? Or is he just playing the "I am determined to clear my name" bollocks?

Apparently he was on the piss some night and licked the saddle of a racing bike or something.

yes, unbelievably lame. apparently his masseur rubbed testosterone into his legs as revenge for getting him sacked.

That really is lame. In fact it is slightly more lame than the truly idiotic "My body produces unnaturally high levels of testosterone, but only on certain days" excuse...

My body produces unnaturally high levels of testosterone, but only on certain days, any ladies interested, and I will send you the testosterone calendar

i'd ban all these fuckers that ever test positive for drugs. its utterly ridiculus that "athletes" can serve small bans (even a couple of years) and come back and still act as role models and people are expected to applaud them for their efforts.

i'd also ban linford christie from ever darkening tv with his inane drugged up selfrighteous "i'm amazing cos i took drugs and got away with it" chat. it infuriates me.

drug users should be banned from sport for LIFE.

And I find myself agreeing with Schotte. Chuck them out.

Now. Why are drugs so rife? Because records are set and they need to be bettered. However, you get to a certain point that it just cannot be bettered by fair means and the natural desire to be the best of the best takes over. You have people telling you that you HAVE to become the best or just not bother. Who cares if you did well without winning? Winning is what counts. Oh jesus, sounds like somebody on this site (you know who you are)...

People just cannot understand the concept of being the best in their generation anymore. The desire (or the preaching of the desire) to be the best of all time overtakes any rational thinking..

Ban them. Ban them all...

If you think the public will be happy watching a bunch of guys who look relatively normal run best times of 10.1 (which is pretty much the genetic limit) then dollars to donuts you're dreaming. After you've seen superman regular fast guy doesnt seem so special anymore.

May be not. He was tested positive after he set the world record mark. If he is found guilty, his world record mark will not stand.

i'm pretty sure michael johnson is clean and he was a great pleasure to watch, esp with them golden shoes and entering other events and winning "for a laugh"

Does that mean that any sub 10 second times ever run are almost certainly the work of steroids ?

Got some property to sell you chum...

@ BD
yes - simply put all the training , prayers and genetic freakishness you can find naturally in the world is not going to alter the fundamental (lack of) ability of the human being to run a lot faster than the times in the 1940s - in 48 that was 10.2 - I factored in 0.1s just to be on the safe side and account for improvements in nutrition. In the 50s steroids were available and times fell a lot - quite clearly and honestly a natural human being cannot could not and never will be able to beat the best drug powered athletes of any era. Consider also that the Olympics used to be a bigger deal back then than it is now.

i beg to differ Parnell.

I was reading a rugby magazine sometime ago and there was a stats comparison of a team from 20yrs ago and the current team. the size and weight differences were huge and none of them had used drugs. surely its all about understanding more of what you need to eat to be most effective at your sport as well as improved training techniques. i think humans can still run faster while remaining natural.

Listen mate rugby teams nowadays are professional - by being professional the choice shifts from "Do I take this stuff to help us win the game?" to "Do I take this stuff to put food on the table to feed my kids" - I could mention that the All Black team of 1987 (first professional team) had an average body fat rating of 8%. That's about the level achieved by a top natural cyclist (if such a thing could be found anymore) - it's so so far beyond what any natural rugby player could reasonably achieve.

There are no effective tests for GH or IGF1 - rugby players continue to get bigger stronger and faster , if you honestly believe that such a thing is possible naturally I suggest you get in the gym and under the squat bar where such notions will be quickly removed from your mind. I remember myself discussing in depth drug use with other members of my old university rugby team - a long way off full international.

I'll give you another anecdote - Lewis Moody - an absolute legend in my book recalls when Josh Kronfeldt came in for pre-season strength testing at Leicester - he said that Kronfeldt could perform 20 chins with 20 kg strapped around his waist - in over 15 years of gym work I have NEVER witnessed such a feat - steroid induced athletes or not - and this is going quite a distance back and having being amongst some pretty talented guys - including a national level power lifting champ.

running out of time. lunch break over.

but... ive trained in this past year with commonwealth gold winning rowers who ive seen pull off PBs and "super human" efforts on ergs and on the water by training hard and digging deep. who is to say this cant keep providing improved results for years and years to come without drugs?

Because there are no reasons for nature to provide mankind with progressively larger and better muscled athletes with each passing generation. Also the law of diminshing marginal returns is at work here - natural athletic performance should only produce smaller and smaller incremental performance over time - that is not the case - practically linear improvements have been achieved in track and field since the 20s. The idea that digging deep or extra prayers (tools available to both the hare and the tortoise) are really clutching at straws.

how about the extar time for training, funding for research in training techniques and diet that have seen enormous advances over the past couple of decades? Professionalisation and the money that goes with it has not only seen advnaces in drug cheating techniques but also in perfectly legitimate training advances.

And improvements in equipment.

indeed, the improved "springiness" of track surfaces and better running shoes since the '40's should at least account for tenth of a second by themselves.

Not to mention the presence of estrogen and other hormones in our drinking water.

@parnell,
in the most I agree with what you say, and as an ex rugby player and rower at different times of life I know that having stood under the chin bar with 10Kg's hanging off me I was unlikely to get more than 10 chins... I also know that this will never change unless I undergo some serious 'supplementation' However when you say that the genetic limit to performance was achieved in the 20's or 40's well of this I'm not convinced. Genetically this may we ll be true but advances in nutrition, ie Nutraceuticals and also advances in research into the effects of nutrition in performance have had a dramatic effect (natural) on athletic performance. The fact that people now train to a heart rate monitor with blood lactate testing allows an athlete to know exactly how far to push without blowing up in the process. The isolation of Creatine and the understanding of it's role in energy metabolism as a phosphate shuttle has also increased the ability of an athlete to train harder and recover more quickly...

As I said most of what you are saying I agree with, power sports almost have to consider taking the pro-bodybuidling approach and admit to drug use, and be open and monitored. That can then allow 'natural' competitions to take place as well.

but wouldn't estrogen have a detrimental effect? Surely athletes would stop running in order to discuss the latest fashions and bitch about other athletes behind their backs?

yes Oestrgen would be detrimental to athletic performance as well as turning you into a jaffa

The theory (I'll go find a link if you like) is that the increase of estrogen found in the water supply in part accounts for the population in general growing taller.

Estrogen is the enemy of all athletes seeking high sprint-like performances , my 0.1 s accounted for all the peripheral stuff. Back in the 40s entire countries were behind the Olympics - kind of resources for their time that dwarf modern facilities effects - as proof of that many modern strength routines are based on what the Russians used in the 50s and 60s. Even old German "volume" training was used heavily in the 80s.

I'm still not convinced that all the improvement bar 0,1 second is down to drug abuse.

@ Buli
I've used creatine , I've used just about every natural "supplementation" programme out there , had my water intake and all kinds of shit monitored and at the very best the incremental performance level was no more than 10% - which is to be fair quite a fair bit on a rugby field but over a hundred metres is very little - maybe 0.05s.

What i'm basically saying is that no modern top of the genetic spectrum drug free athlete could beat a similar late 50s athlete with access to basic drugs. I'm saying that the times achieved there (10.1s) provide a reasonable indication of the extreme limits of human ability.

P.S. I currently do 12 chins with 20kg - but that's a long long way off Kronfelt and I certainly couldnt do that if I was running sprint drills

EDIT: The natural comps for bodybuilding are almost always won by drugged guys - it's all bs - just like the real thing.

ffs dont watch the Rocky films. Natural training methods and remedies always save the day. (Think Rocky vs Draaaaaaaago in particular).


I think there is to a certain extent. Some years ago the idea of breaking the 4 minute mile was unthinkable and look how far we have come since then.


Adrenalin is a wonderful thing and if harnessed properly has even been responsible for some of my medal collection, and I'm a pisshead normally

i think there is a lot to be said for just wanting it so badly and going nuts when the time is right.

And now he wants to defend the 100m title in Beijing

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