Hillary Clinton

So I'm sitting here cleaning up the hard drive and I find this:


She's gonna run. We all know it. In fact I hope she does...cause it'll mean another defeat for the Democrats. But Hillary doesn't care. I know TT's got its share of Bush-Bashers but, this topic like her mind-set, is all about Hillary.

Now all I have to do is move this photo to the trash bin.

Done. I feel so much better now.

I will vote for her. Done. Said it.

She's got my vote.

Unless some as yet unkown but potentially better contender steps into the ring. Some of us have thought about this instead of making derogatory photos of people just because they are from "the other party". Knee-jerk reactionism, what made America great?

Reminds me of the poll about which presidential candidate looked better in shorts - Bush senior or Clinton. I mean - who CARES what they look like in shorts FFS!??!

I am not American, but she certainly seems more competent than that guy in there now.

he won't be allowed to stand next time anyway

Condi v Hills??

I think i would vote for her if I was American

I would *definitely* vote for Hilary if I were American.
She's FAB

Yup

That pic does not put me off (It looks like its meant to). It makes it look like she has some character!

Though I know nothin about the policies and politics there so I dont know who I would vote for.

Cunning plan that BabBob... acting the crazed Republican to stir up more Democrat votes. Respect.

I don't think I'd vote for her. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but she bugs me. I'd rather vote for Nader.

If I was american I would probably go for the libertarian candidate.

What are hillarys values anyway? Have the democrats decided on any yet?

Was that a typo, did you mean Vader?


EDIT: looks like hes having a poo in this pic

No, I meant Ralph Nader. You'd probably like him. Nader Calls for Marijuana Legalization

Seems that John McCain could be up for the Republicans next time... Hmmm, if I was a Yank, think I'd go for Hillary - although she'd have a snowball's chance in hell, what with his 'Vietnam Hero' rep.

I want to vote for Al Gore or Russ Feingold, but if Hillary gets the nod, I will vote for her while laughing my ass off thinking how the Republicans are going to shit their pants when she wins.

McCain is not the McCain of 2000 when he beat Bush in the Primaries. This new and opposite of improved McCain is no hero as he has sacrificed his ethics in his suck up to Bush and the neocons. True concervatives don't even like him much. I wonder where they will find the "Swift Hanoi Hilton Veterans" to tear down McCain?

I would never vote for Hilliary. She is incompetent.

I like Nader but a vote for the Greens in swing states might as well be a vote for the Republicans. I voted for Nader in Texas but I'd not do it in Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, etc.


People don't like McCain because he was in a POW camp for 5.5 years (though it certainly lends credibility to a president should he support military action having been a guest at the Hanoi Hilton). People like him because he's a moderate, he holds several views that are in stark contrast to those traditionally held by Republicans, has a proven record of working effectively with Democrats and has succesfully pushed for campaign finance reform, against pork barrel spending, etc. He's also stated he has "no confidence" in Rumsfeld; quite a thing for a Republican to say.

McCain vs. Hillary? McCain all the way. I don't think Hillary is electable at the federal level (though she's sure to top the primaries), an opinion I share with my Democrat friends who work on The Hill. Many insiders think Hillary is suicide for the Democratic party and I couldn't agree more.

I'd like to see Wesley Clark run again. IMO he was the best candidate the Democrats put forth and he'd have had a huge leg up on Bush in 2004 (being former NATO Allied Commander in a time of war and all).

Overall, I think I'd be pretty pleased with Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, John Kerry or Al Gore but I think it far easier to get behind the Republicans in that bunch; great records of public service plus they've got a presence that the other two seriously lack (the Democrats can't muster anybody these days who doesn't look like skin draped over an automaton).

Just because she has a high IQ and put on a brave face through the various humiliations her husband put her through does not make her a good candidate. It doesn't make her a bad candidate either, however she still has to prove that she actually is a good one and right now she is just an ex-president's spouse who is in the senate.

@Eurovol
You should understand that if someone follows a path that you don't agree with, it doesn't necessarily mean that they have compromised themselves ethically.

Bingo. As I mentioned he's openly criticized the current cabinet. Most Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war as well.

She'd get my vote and a portion to go with it was well if she wanted. No worries.

Hillary is the only democrat that understand a rats ass about political strategy. Her *visible* moves to the center right, i.e. buddying up with the likes of Newt Gingrich and the Bushes have certainly been eye catching. In any case if the Democrats can get their act together they have a very good chance at the House regardless of what nob they put up there this time. Please god though, let them take a look at the tapes of Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry and stamp "not again" on their respective forheads.

McCain is on the top of many tounges but honestly he doesn't *look* healthy in one off press interviews, I don't know how he would hold up during a full on campaign. Rudy is awesome (and I say that with my best joisey accent) but I wonder if he's far too controversial for some people, a bit to NY, too direct. He took some political beatings when his recommendation and ex employee for was it homeland security(?) had to resign due to shady tax records.

FYI: Matt Romney governor of Boston is running for the Republican nod, I think he's a relative unknown but I believe he's a mormon btw and it'll be interesting to see how the christian right reacts to him.

Yeah, but she will bring Bill with her!


I think she would be suicide for the Dems too. I think Al is waiting to see if there is a viable alternative to Hillary before he decides to run.

Clark was sent into the 2004 race with one agenda and that was to take out Dean which could lead to a Hillary in 2008 ticket. Clark may very well be the VP on that ticket. He is not the candidate you think he is.

NO KERRY! no no no and a thousands time NO! The Conservative base does not like Rudy or McCain and I think Frist has been marginalized. They got George Allen and Chuck Hagel and I wouldn't discount a Jeb Bush surprise run. As much as the Republicans say that nominating Hillary would be their wet dream, nominating Condi would be the Democrats wet dream.

I never understood the visceral hate that some Americans have for the for the Clintons. It is something that I've seen even in friends and acquaintances, who normally can eloquently articulate the reasons underlying their views and opinions, which then allows for a civilized discussion even if the discussion ends in a respectful disagreement. But this obsession with Clinton bashing is possibly the polar opposite case. Some people just hat them, and it seems to be a deep-seated psychological issue for them. And it is sad. And it is polarizing. And it is an example pointing towards the failure of the ideal of an equal opportunity, merit based democracy in the US.

Anyway, as far as career politicians go, Senator Hillary Clinton seems to be fairly effective and working towards goals that I generally agree with, which is fine by me since one cannot expect to agree 100% with an individual politician in a large democracy (with its inherent need for compromise). So I would have no problem with a President Hillary Clinton. I do fear, however, that some rightwing nut job would be spurred on by the likes of Rush Limbaugh to assassinate her.

Bill was the most popular president ever wasn't he?

I don't know her politics but i would definitely say NO !

Some of us Brits still remember what it's like to have a woman running your country

Funny story, my former Bill Clinton supporting boss called me up *screaming*, I thought one of the partners had done something terrible. After a few minutes I realised what the shouting was about: "I shouldn't have to explain to my 8 year old daughter what a blow job is because our president couldn't keep his pants on, couldn't tell the truth about it and couldn't keep it out of the papers". "Cancel the checks, cancell ALL the g**damn checks". No one dared mention the Clintons or the Democrats every again.

Yeah, but isn't the top ten albums dominated by N'sych, Rap and Madonna? The tastes of the masses never describe quality.

PS: Condi has said she will not run for president. People keep pushing Hillary vs. Condi, but mostly because I think the blokes like to visualize a cat fight. I mean really.

Just in jest...

Hillary Clinton, hell no. Like brokenm said, she is incompotent. I do not hate the entire Clinton family, just Hillary.

As for McCain, I would love to see him run and he'd have my vote. I do think it would take a very large shift in the Republican party platform for McCain to become the nominee. Even an aussie said this to me yesterday... the party in power in the US is not really acting very Republican.

Personally I'm hoping that Senator George Allen from the wonderful state of Virginia gets the nod.

You should understand that it has nothing to do with the path that I agree with or not. It has everything to do with what McCain said in the 2000 race. He stated things flat out then and since has flat out gone against them.
Check out his own words on pandering to the religious right and check out where he has been lately and is scheduled to appear! Falwell's stripes have not changed, but McCain's sure have. His own words suggest that he has betrayed his own ethics and yes people are noticing that and asking questions. I might have voted for him in 2000, but I definitely won't in 2008. He was only strong because of his stances then and the independent voters will not forgive the fact that he became a Bush toady. He is going against his own ethics (as he stated in 2000) because he knows the independents won't vote for him again en masse and he needs to court the far right religious conservatives.


It is not just one issue albeit for me that is one major issue and why I have respect for Feingold and zero for Kerry. I could forgive the vote the first time, but Kerry had a hypopthetical chance to answer it again in the 2004 race and he still voted wrong. What a fucked up answer that was.

Yep and some of us remember what our country was like before that woman came to power. If she were to be half as good as Maggie then she would get my vote.

that made me giggle.

Ironic you should say that because the same can be said about many Democrats absolute hatred of the entire Republican party. So much so that they are unable to form any sort of logical opinion or criticism or otherwise engage those that have a differing opinion in some sort of civilized conversation.

I am obviously aware that the point you make is indeed true but for the sake of completeness it should be pointed out that many Democrats are just as guilty.

It would be a hell of a lot easier if the right left the vile assumption that the left are commies and socialists at the door.

As for Bush, he is a fucking fascist theocrat and I wouldn't respect anyone who supported that. Not even the true conservatives on the right are supporting that anymore. Their hatred of Bush is palpable.

You mean like I invented the internet?

/Sorry, couldn't resist. Carry on.

ps: I personally hope that Colin Powell has a vision from God and whoever else that he should finally run. Yes its probably too late, too much damage, whatever, but I would still like to see that run.

Exhibit A:

I'm sure she'd do better than the current idiot, braindead monkey currently in the position...
If she won, being the 1st woman US president, she'd be out to prove a point and to make history
so she just might be the best President the US has had since Kennedy, but perhaps I could be wrong..

I wonder if she'll have hubby come to the oval office to give her oral

Not you too? Gore never said that. That is an urban myth.


It wouldn't be funny if it weren't true.

Hell and damnation eurovol, the right are your opponents, not your freaking pr agency. Democrats have to make their own viewpoints and set their own image. Christ on a bike thats like one football team complaining because the other one wouldnt let them score. Oooh they bullied us, oooh oooh. Fcuk all get a strategy already.
Having said that, this election, like the last one, should be the Democrats for the taking, strategy or no. They're best bet is too probably just pick somebody, anybody and tell him/her to shut the hell up til election day and allow the republicans to hand it over to them lock stock and barrel.

At least with Hilary on the ticket we'll be able to tell the parties apart.

He did say during an interview with Wolf Blitzer in March 9, 1999 on CNN Late Edition:
"...I took the initiative in creating the Internet..."

I was just pointing out that the right spew vile and venom and then bitches and whines if the left does the same thing.

Don't you worry, I have no problem spewing the vile facts and venomous figures that tell the truth right back into their faces.

Yeah and go look up the legislation that Gore sponsored that did just that. That statement and "I invented the internet" are no where near being one and the same.

Still dumping old pics in the trash...

Gone!

For a second I though BoobBob was gone