Muslims in Germany face new persecution under ‘Thought Crimes’ tests.

When I read this article, it really disturbed me. Ok it is looking at the German authorities from an Islamic immigrants point of view, who then proceeded by throwing in a healthy dose of possible guilt complex and then added a pinch of science fiction impossibility into the concoction and you get sensationalism. I don't think the idea behind this is about policing anyones thoughts or beliefs, its that old chestnut... if you don't like it, you play your joker ... Tha Race Card.

Source: Khilafah.com

The reality is a one word difference: for "Muslims" substitute "Everyone" and you then get something less sinister:-

"Everyone applying for German citizenship in the state of Baden-Württemberg will face a lengthy interrogation, involving answering a catalogue of 30 questions on their political, cultural and social views."

German citizenship is only given to people who uphold democratic principles and the concepts of a society that is tolerant of different ethnic and religious groups. It doesn't seem that unreasonable to me.

Well I for one find it a breath of fresh air in these testing times, to actually find a body, albeit only one small state. To actually come up with a rule, to regulate the flow of "These", types into the West. There's far to much of this hand wringing and "give them what they want", for fear of being labelled racist. If only someone had implimented such measures 30 odd years ago back home, then we wouldn't be in a situation where our own cultural and historical indentity is being eroded by the huge ammounts of religious undesireables flooding into England, and the rest of the UK at an alarming rate.

In the 70's Enoch Powell, was forced into the political wilderness of the politics of Ulster. His "Rivers of Blood Speech", so embarressed the Tory party that he was forced to resign. Funny really how nearly 40 years later every word he spoke on that day has, and is coming true. Powell will be forever remembered by the masses as some form of rabid, vicious racist to rival the likes of Sir Edward Mosley and his facist blackshirts, during the Second World War.
In reality, he was an amazing man who achieved much. He joined the British Army as a private soldier and by the age of 35 was a Brigadier. A feat never before seen, and still not bettered today. The man was an articulate orator and deeply patriotic statesman.

Recently, we have displays in the capital of the willingness of immigrants to conform and contribute to our society. Television images of troublemakers outside the Old Bailey calling for public acts of disobiedience, in that they do not recognise English Law, as it is man made. Prayer time is now written into employment contracts to cater for religeous worship, and their need to face mecca four times a day. Christian counterparts however have, only two tea breaks during the same working day. We see immigrants reject council houses due to the fact that toilets face East and this is seen as an insult. The list of other such examples grows daily. Enough really is enough!

I applaud whoever it is who has instigated this bold new tactic and hope that through pressure it is not shelved for fear of upsetting someone. I would really hate to see the German country decline as I've seen my own over the last twenty years. This is now my adopted home, and I am more than happy here(there). To move again would be an ache, as I'm running out of European countries that are strongley connected to my own Royal Family...where next Greece?? Even closer to johnny turk, and just look at how they changed the landscape of Cyprus, after their beligerent invasion in 1972. In fact as I go further East, the peoples of that land are moving West behind, and in my wake. Perhaps eventually we'll all be posting on this board from Switzerland. A tax haven of expats landlocked within a sea of the green muslim countries !!!

On that note I should point out that the results of a national poll, conducted within a week of Enoch Powell's departure. Showed that 78% of the population agreed with his views.

Gilly, I suspect a gay Muslim wouldn't be too welcome in your regiment, then?

Brilliant! Best wind-up I've seen in a long time. From what I've seen, most people on this board are pretty reasonable, tolerant folk and I can't see you getting too many bites, but superb effort. Are you Bernard Manning in disguise?

I'm sure it is not a wind up, maybe I'm old fashioned and "not with it", but I'm pretty much sick to the back teeth of Christmas being called "the December holiday period" so not to upset the non-christians. England is a Christian country, when non christians take up residence in England they should respect the religion and customs in that country. The British Parliament allow ethnic minorities the freedom that they are not granted in their own mother-land yet the ethnic minorities don't wish the majority to continue with their own freedom of expression that was once allowed. Even comedians are being censored as to what is allowed, authors daren't write, stage shows and film producers have also been targeted for expressing an oppinion. The big differance is that Baden-Würtemburg's authorities are asking questions and ensuring that the would be immigrant is aware of what is and isn't allowed under the law of the land, they won't be threatened or have crowds protesting outside their families home. If they don't except what is the law they are free to live elsewhere, where they won't be mortified as were the residents of the street where a little old lady had to remove an ornamental ceramic piggy from her living-room window ledge because it upset the religeous beliefs of a few passers by. Falling back on religeous beliefs is being "used" for the wrong reasons in todays world, if you believe in a particular god, then fine, thats your human right to believe, but if you are going to use your beliefs to aggravate others to do your will, then that is wrong.

Bernard Manning !!!
That "lefty" poof!!

@eric the cleric,
a gay muslim!...in my Regiment!...Whatever would the MOD be thinking of ???

God knows that's why the Queens Regiment were formed.

- Well I for one would love to have less Christmas. I find the whole mania tedious and a nuisance. I dislike how hundreds of millions of trees have to be felled and sacrificed, dislike all the frantic present buying and rushing around people force themselves to do, dislike the enforced "jollity", dislike the way it makes many old folk living alone feel lonely, because of the compulsion of it. They live alone the rest of the year and have no especial problem with it, yet because of Christmas it makes them feel bad.

No Im not a Scrooge. I can and do give presents, visit people. But when I want to and at times of the year of my choosing, not when others try to compulse me to do so.

Im not alone in this. Many people feel the same. Only it isnt politically or socially correct to generally say so in public.


- No, people are not "free to live elsewhere". In practice the options for most people in this world are pretty limited.

- gosh I wish we could have "less pig" in Germany. And I agree in one sense with the Islamic dislike of pigs. Theyre dirty smelly creatures.
Too much of them in the German diet, they pop up all over the place. So, Im all for less pig please! (and why does it always have to be "a little old lady?? Some old ladies can be quite big)


- I dont believe in any particular god, nor any god as such. As it happens, Im a Buddhist.

Hurray! The voice of reason speaks. I think it's a long time since England has been a Christian country (except when it comes to getting lashed up at the end of December).

Hey, I’m all for school-yard politics; if they don’t fit in, give them a good kicking, eh?

I agree. Common sense seems to have gone out of the window.

Did you anyone see "The Root of all Evil" on Channel 4 last week. Bloody good programme. Part two this week.

130 million Americans believe the universe is less than 10,000 years old.

I feel exactly the same way! As far as I can tell there's not much Christian meaning behind Christmas today. Christmas smacks of everything Jesus apparantly told us not to do!! Greed and money and faithlessness, and certainly very little love is what I see at Christmas time!! He would be turning in his grave (if he were still in it!)
It never ceases to amaze me how many non-religious folk go on about the fact that there's no God but then as soon as immigration is brought up we're all reminded that the UK is a Christian society?!?!?!
How many people do you know in the UK who actually practice Christianity (and by that I don't just mean going to church)? Hypocrites! The UK is a secular society.


Yep yep yep! I don't know about the race card, but certainly the religious one is being pulled out of the pack far too often for my liking!!

I agree with you, but why call it anything but Christmas? My problem is that I don’t like all this politically correct bullshit, call it what it is and not some pc jargon to prevent some fanatic getting on his religious soapbox.


Yes I brought up Christianity values i.e. Christmas, and yes I’m an atheist who doesn’t particularly like Christmas. What I was saying was that just because there are some new kids on the block, why should the other kids on the block have to play new games so as not to upset the new kids… if you get my drift. Basically I wasn't talking about my own narrow pointed views on religion but the whole view in general.


In practise it’s multi denominational but it is still a Christian country where Christian believers out number the other religions massively.



Source: National Statistic Office

Seems to me that these days in the UK, 'Christian' is used to mean 'white' (just listen to what the BNP say) and now that you can't say 'Paki' anymore, you say 'Muslim'.

The answer is really very simple.

Before it's too late, Britain should hold a referendum. The population should be allowed to vote on whether they wish to be British and protect their culture, or be Multi-Cultural and continue to bring in laws to appease every single religious, racial or sexual minority.

I'd say that a very firm majority would vote to keep Britain British. No one is forced to live in Britain, after all, all British Citizens have freedom of movement in the EU, and as far as any immigrants are concerned it's quite simple, "Welcome to Britain, this is how it is, this is how it's staying, if you don't like it you are free to leave at any time".

My wonderful hosts here in Switzerland haven't had to bring in any laws to make me feel at home, I'm happy to adapt to their way of life (I now have my own fondue and a raclette set ) and so it should be with all countries.

All of course in my most humble opinion

Ah, but there are many millions of African Christians, as well as Indian Christians, and even Chinese Christians, surprise surprise.

Best I´ve heard in ages !!!


Excactly!!!