German Citizenship Available for some EU Citizens

Bit of info for any who are interested.

Some EU Citizens, Including British & Irish can now obtain German citizenship without giving up the British/Irish Citizenship.

There was an article about it in a BW English magazine, accents or something...(maybe one of the BW'ers can help out with what it's called).

Basically you need to have lived here for 8 years, have a job & have adequate knowledge of the language.

Will see if I can find the article if anyone is interested.

Here is a very informative book.

http://www.handbuch-deutschland.de/book_en.html

I am not schwäbisch, but my wife is.

http://accents-magazine.de/ you can download the whole mag.

I mentioned this in another post ( Dead link ) - the specific bit is at:

http://www.einbuergerung.de/47_111.htm

and obviously lots of information on this subject at :-

http://www.einbuergerung.de/index2.htm

jg, I think your links are a wee bit outdated

I only took a quick read, but the quote:

Grundsätzlich wird von einbürgerungswilligen Ausländern die Aufgabe ihrer bisherigen Staatsangehörigkeit verlangt.
Die Entlassung aus der zweiten Staatsangehörigkeit ist jedoch manchmal schwierig oder nicht möglich, zum Beispiel wenn der andere Staat unüberwindbare Hürden errichtet.
In Härtefällen wird daher Mehrstaatigkeit hingenommen. Denn Integration ist wichtiger als die Vermeidung der Mehrstaatigkeit.

Says that dual nationality is possible, but only in extreme cases.

What Lecky has pointed out is the fact that Dual Nationality is simple, providing you are a EU national, and your country also permits dual nationality.

http://www.bmi.bund.de/cln_007/nn_122154/s...taatigkeit.html

is a bit more up-to-date:

Im Hinblick auf das Ziel der fortschreitenden europäischen Integration hat der Gesetzgeber eine spezielle Regelung getroffen: Bei Unionsbürgern wird nicht verlangt, dass sie vor der Einbürgerung in Deutschland ihre bisherige Staatsangehörigkeit aufgeben, wenn der andere EU-Mitgliedstaat im Gegenzug bei Einbürgerung von Deutschen ebenso verfährt. Deutschen, die sich in einem EU-Mitgliedstaat einbürgern lassen, wird über eine Genehmigung nach § 25 Abs. 2 des Staatsangehörigkeitsgesetzes gestattet, die deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit beizubehalten (Beibehaltungsgenehmigung).
Diese Regelung findet aktuell in Bezug auf die EU-Staaten Griechenland, Großbritannien, Irland, Portugal, Schweden, Finnland, Frankreich, Belgien, Italien, Ungarn, Polen, die Slowakische Republik, Malta sowie Zypern Anwendung, bei den Niederlanden und bei Slowenien nur auf bestimmte Personengruppen.

The only thing that looks a bit dodgy is the Wehrpflicht question!

That last paragraph:

"Im Hinblick ...
... auf bestimmte Personengruppen."

is lifted from my first link, http://www.einbuergerung.de/47_111.htm and is entitled "Aktuelle Information: - Mehrstaatigkeit bei EU-Bürgern"

Maybe you were looking at another bit of www.einbuergerung.de - I think many of these sites have pages which quote genral rules and don't refer to the EU specific bits.

What would, looking at the rights we have here anyway as EU citizens, be the advantage of having dual GB/D nationality? Cant see any myself. In fact there is a large disadvantage of the costs involved during the whole procedure.

Becoming a German Citizen will give you the right to vote & also if the UK ever pulls out of the EU, then you would still have EU Citizenship.

The right to vote at all levels in Germany.
The right to a national ID card - its a pain in the arse when some shops try refuse to sell things to you because you don't have one.
The right to visit some countries without the need for a visa - Germany has a lot more Visa waiver agreements than some other EU countries.

to name but a few...


Leky, stop reading The Sun. Its bad for your intelligence!

do you think, this could happen?

In addition to those:

also if either Country were at anytime restricted to enter another Country for any reason.

I've considered this too, and apart from the added bureaucracy and slight expense, it seems to offer more benefits than drawbacks.

You can use your Aufenhaltserlaubnis in this case though.

Another advantage is if you don't check the expiry date on one passport and they let you into a country on it but won't let you back out :$ You can get out with the other one.

I tried to renew my Aufenthalterlaubnis (using the Aufenthalterlaubnisbeantragungsformular) and they told me at the town hall that I didn't need one any more. "That's odd" I thought.

Jean-Pierre

I could also use my passport. But I couldn't be arsed to carry my passport and/or Aufenthaltserlaubnis made of flimsy paper around with me all the time. Besides that, the need for an Aufenthaltserlaubnis expired from the 1st of January... :doh:

you don't need to show your passport to do this, Reggie

I know what you mean...mine is now in 3 pieces


I never knew that...when I was in the Rathaus for something middle of January they had a go at me because mine is still in my old name and told me I would have to go and get a new one...obviously no point now.


Just a good set of elbows is sufficient (sorry Hannah...I'm only joking)

Hmm but as a British citizen I can vote in most elections here and general election in UK that's fine by me. Dont think the second point will occur despite how much certain people wish it would happen.


A British passport is recognised by all official offices as a legal means of identification I dont need an Ausweiss.

I have no problems getting Visas for those few countries where I still need them in fact in most it is only a formal act of acceptance, plus I like the look of my passport with all those colourful stamps and additions.


Cant imagine that happening with the exception of a future development of hostilities between UK and D very unlikely and in that case I'm afraid I'd be off back to the UK pretty rapidly

No still not convinced, are there any other advantages? OK if I wanted to go for one of those few jobs that are closed to me in the BND etc for security reasons then it would be worth it but otherwise for Joe Public I cant see any great plus side.

Hmm, not the one that really counts though...

so when my bf's aufenthaltserlaubnis expires in 2007 he won't need a new one? So if an employer wants to see it, you can tell him he's not up to date anymore?

thats why I asked, Maisflocke

If it means that much to you then by all means dont let me put you off the idea.

I am speaking from a purely personal view here and personally unless I have overseen some advantages (hence the question) I dont see the point.

My girlfriend has dual nationality German/Polish coming as she does from Silesia and for her it has been a distinct advantage holding a German passport (plus the costs were relatively small) so I am not knocking dual nationality per se, just the specific case of UK/D.

Hannah: your boyfriend will never ever ever need an Aufenthaltserlaubnis again

Fuchs:
You can, as a EU citizen, vote in most elections here, but not all. With German nationality, you also have the right to vote for the general elections.

As I already mentioned, I don't carry my passport with me all the time - in fact the only time I carry this 32 page book is on my way to and from the airport.

Not having to apply for the visa is the advantage, you still get a nice colourful stamps in the German passport, without all the bureaucracy beforehand.

Leky: When did the Enquirer publish that nonsense??!!?? :doh:

wohoo that's great Maisflocke. But isn't there a catch? If he doesnt want to carry his Passport around all time and at the same side does not have the Aufenthaltserlaubnis, because in Germany it's the law to carry your ID card

I'm not 100% sure on this but as far as I know the old Aufenthaltserlaubnis was not a means of identification so even with it you were, under the Ausweisspflicht, obliged to carry your passport if you have no other officially recognised means of idntification.

Very good point Hannah. But how can you carry one if your country does not issue one?!? I carry my EU (D) licence, which as far as I am concerned is sufficient enough as its German...

There is a strong notion that ID cards will be introduced in the UK sometime in the future (and if this happens, Ireland will probably follow soon after), but all that could be as far away as 2015

I know about the id thing in England and my boyfriend and me argue about it sometimes.
Well, we'll see. Guess he just HAS to carry his passport around all time then, and you aswell. Or you'll get in trouble

Also not necessarily a means of identification (although many will accept it, I have for example been refused a parcel at the Post because I only had my EU-German driving licence with me) your ID is (in the absence of a German PA) your Passport.