rick_de
Apr 7 2006, 1:52 pm
QUOTE (maisflocke @ Apr 7 2006, 01:15 PM)
Kuchen kochen in die Küche!
Okay, its backen but kochen sounds better
And the funny thing is, you are allowed to buy Kuchen from the bakery on a sunday!
So no need to kochen kuchen in der küche.
andrea
Apr 7 2006, 1:57 pm
QUOTE
Are you so weak minded
Yes
If the shops weren't open on a Sunday, I wouldn't have spent the other Sunday from 11.00 til 1.30 in Kookai
spent 270 quid, 7.00 quid on parking, probably about 5.00 on capuccinos and be skint now
Seriously though, I think it should be up to the individual retailers whether they wish to open on Sundays or not. I love being able to go shopping on a Sunday, must admit it's not something I do very often, but it's nice to know I can if need be.
rick_de
Apr 7 2006, 1:59 pm
QUOTE (maaph @ Apr 6 2006, 04:25 PM)
Don't necessarily agree with longer opening hours but maybe a bit of "focus" is required. If they were to ban old people and the unemployed and the like from shopping before 9:00, between 12:00 and 14:00 and after 18:30, or charge them 25% more, this would make sure the shops are relatively empty, giving my Mrs plenty of time after work to get in the essentials.
Now thats more like it. A German solution in the best teutonic bureaucratic tradition!
Maisflocke
Apr 7 2006, 2:20 pm
QUOTE (Jay @ Apr 7 2006, 02:46 PM)
I remember when (he says getting out his pipes and slippers) shops closed on Saturday afternoons at 2pm, and on weekdays at 6pm. Actually this was not that long ago...in the late 90's.
'Kids these days never had it so good'
(Please insert Yorkshire sarcastic smiley with flat cap here).
I remember those dark ages too
... But if you look back on it, those were the days when Germany was a rich country. Rich, because nobody could spend their dosh. Now look at the state of the place! Shops open all hours Monday to Saturday, well until 8pm anyway, and the country is up the shit creek! The economy is fragile, and the nation is getting poorer.
Help the economy...
Bring back the Ladenschlußgesetz of the 80's! :excl:
Time to Google and see if anyone shares my minority view. I think this sums it up nicely.
But I think it is only a matter of time before Sundays becomes another day full of angry shoppers.
My view used to be shopping on Sunday would be great but changed after being here in Germany and speaking to a few Brits who missed Sundays being shopping-free.
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Supporters tend to argue that year-round Sunday shopping will make consumer shopping schedules more convenient; indeed, that it will encourage more shopping, the result of which would be a stronger economy. They say that where flea markets, gas stations, movie theatres, convenience stores, and drug stores are permitted to be open on Sundays, it only makes sense that all other commercial outlets have the same privilege.
Their opponents would rightly argue that opening up the Sunday market to the bigger companies will only make survival more difficult for small businesses. They claim it would take away the only guaranteed day off for people working in the now-restricted stores. The opposition claims that Sunday is perhaps the only day people have to spend with their families, and that allowing year-round Sunday shopping would eventually find a large number of people either working or shopping instead of the former.
The latter argument wholly changes the focus of the discussion. Those who support Sunday shopping argue from a purely economic perspective which draws especially on the idea of maintaining competitiveness of commercial centres with others, and catching up with the rest of the country. Even the claim that Sunday shopping relaxes the load of responsibility one has to deal with on the other six days is completely economic, as its focus is on the satisfaction of a minimum expected consumer activity. It negates the idea that life might be about something other than making money to buy things. And the claim that Sunday shopping increases the degree of one's freedom of choice —as if there is such a thing— is naïve and of the same motive.
It is unfortunate that so many of us cannot see that being forced by means of law to do something other than work at jobs (that so many of us would rather not do) or buy things (that we may or may not need) may actually be beneficial. It is possible to get your shopping done on the other six days. Sundays without malls let us get around to doing the things we don't get to do the rest of the time, like stop, and think, and sleep. If you don't agree, it may be time to get a life/hobby.
Source:
http://www.unb.ca/bruns/0102/14/opinion/mugwump.htm
Caroline
Apr 7 2006, 3:27 pm
The only reason why I would be grateful if the Supermarkets were open on a Sunday is cos I am badly organised ! I often wake on a Sunday and think it would be nice to cook something really nice - after finding the recipe of my choice I then generally determine that have none of the ingredients. Thinking ahead on the Saturday just dosen´t seem to work !
Whilst I could do with the Supermarkets & DIY stores on a Sunday I have absolutely no desire to go clothes shopping - that is my favourite Saturday pastime !
Caroline
Owain Glyndwr
Apr 7 2006, 3:41 pm
Would a proponant of keeping shops closed on sunday please expain why it is ok for restaurants, cafés, cinemas, museums, etc to open and for buses, trains and plains operate on sundays yet shops must remain closed?
Who decides which businesses are allowed to open which must remain closed? Why shoudl business A which provides a service directly to the public be allowed to open and business B which provides another but different service not be allowed to open?
Could someone PLEASE explain the logic here?
Ami in Berlin
Apr 7 2006, 3:57 pm
You mean it isn't clear from Jay's article? Why, because that would be unfair competition for all the flea markets, gas stations, movie theatres, convenience stores, and drug stores that are operated by families rather than the evil large corporations that run the grocery stores.
I had fun reading that article, because the last time I was in Canada (from where it was written), I actually saw more small independent groceries (which are forced to close in Germany, too) than gas stations, movie theatres, convenience stores, and drug stores that are not owned by multi-nationals.
QUOTE (Owain Glyndwr @ Apr 7 2006, 04:41 PM)
Could someone PLEASE explain the logic here?
I cannot see the logic in going shopping for clothes and shoes on Sunday. I know some women who would love shoe (and handbag) shops to be open 7 days a week. It would be paradise for them.
In the Uk (early 90s) only DIY stores and corner shops/convenience stores (that sell groceries) were open on Sundays and this was about the right balance. Now it is just a free for all.
Actually in Frankfurt there are convenience stores (that sell groceries) open on Sundays...just not in a very convenient place - Frankfurt Airport & Hauptbahnof.
Enough said. Time to get off soap box and leave so that I can get to the shops before they close at 8pm.
Then join the hordes of angry people on the Zeil tomorrow trying to get a pair of shoes.
And then can work off the stress playing football on a chilled-out Sunday, have a well-earned brunch in a restaurant, drink a coffee on a streetside cafe, go to an art museum, meet a girl and take her out for a movie in the evening (all by public transport).
billyrogers
Apr 8 2006, 1:40 pm
The erics could at least allow video store and launderettes (how do you spell that?) to be open sundays. Let's face. When do all us workers find time to do, use and abuse these things. We're not all students that find time during the week
Loopy
Apr 8 2006, 2:39 pm
@billyr: you could try going on a Saturday instead of O'Kellys
I'm not really bothered about Sunday opening, or late opening in general, but I do think they definitely need some corner shops over here - nothing more annoying than deciding you fancy something and then remembering the shops are already shut, and I've lost count of the amount of times I've forgotton that they close at six on a Saturday!
I don't think you can do much clothes shopping on a Sunday in the UK either in most towns - it's normally only the supermarkets and the local shops that are open (apart from in the run up to Xmas) unless you are in a big city or live next to a shopping centre.
The good thing about Tesco's being open on a Sunday is being able to get a cooked brekkie for a couple a quid after a big sesh the night before.
luke
Apr 10 2006, 9:32 am
QUOTE
I'm not really bothered about Sunday opening, or late opening in general, but I do think they definitely need some corner shops over here - nothing more annoying than deciding you fancy something and then remembering the shops are already shut, and I've lost count of the amount of times I've forgotton that they close at six on a Saturday!
So it does bother you then.
antistar
Apr 10 2006, 12:48 pm
It's not just an issue of choice, but accessibility. Sometimes I just cannot shop on the other six days of the week, and sometimes shopping really is a need not a wasteful consumerist desire.
Take this weekend. I moved all my gear to Frankfurt on the Saturday, I just could not go out and shop for all the things I needed for the new Apartment. I would have zero time during the week because of wor (German shops all closing at 8pm ensures that). What a godsend it was to have Ikea open in Hanau this Sunday, so I could order much needed furniture for delivery THIS week, rather than NEXT week. If Ikea hadn't been open this Sunday I'd probably have spent the entire first week in Frankfurt without a cup, fork or plate.
I think people who tell others what they should do on a Sunday should rather just enjoy Sundays the way they want to (with no shopping) and let everyone else do what they want (and need) to do. My job often entails me working "crunch time" where I have to work long hours 6-7 days a week - restrictive German shopping hours are therefore a real problem for me. I can do a lot of my shopping online, but some things I just have to be there in person for, like clothes, furniture and groceries.
Tim Hortons Man
Apr 10 2006, 1:40 pm
I guess the question is does it really matter, shopping sucks here period. Germans don't really need longer hours (other than groceries stores) because most of them do there shopping via catolages so there is no need to rush out to beat the dead line to buy things. Even Chris buys the bulk of her clothing via neckerman etc.
But the real question is and no one asks this, not "do you want to shop on Sundays" but "do you want to work on Sundays" word it that way and no one will answer in the positive
I've been in Madrid for the last few months and I tell you the Spanish really take their siestas very seriously, everything but the biggest stores shut down between 2 and 5, don't know how many times I've gone out and thought 'oh shit' everything is shut. In Germany only a few places shut for lunch and then 12 to 2 usually.
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I don't want to move again - as the last move cost me enough.
I agree with you on that one, our first move cost us a fortune over 8000DM if I remember correctly. in Canada when you move you simply call up a few friends who show up with their pickup trucks, Vans and haul everything off, or at the worse rent a truck for a day. Quite reasonable. Germans never go half way when they can go way over the top. I noticed here in our flat in Madrid, the washing same stlye as Germany, but a wash only takes 45 mins vs 2 hours for a typcial German machine!!!
Ami in Berlin
Apr 10 2006, 3:07 pm
QUOTE (tim hortons man @ Apr 10 2006, 02:40 PM)
But the real question is and no one asks this, not "do you want to shop on Sundays" but "do you want to work on Sundays" word it that way and no one will answer in the positive
Read the thread. That exact issue has been addressed several times, generally in the context of there already being many people who work on Sundays.
mj davey
Jun 25 2006, 8:17 am
Hutcho
Jun 26 2006, 8:38 am
We were at Segmüller yesterday, they were open on a Sunday for one of those market days or whatever. It was fecking packed. People in Germany want Sunday shopping. Its about time they allowed it.
Telford
Jun 26 2006, 10:29 am
I hope people who support Sunday shopping are clear about what this will mean for them in the future. As soon as Sundays are seen as just another day, it's just a matter of time before offices start opening weekends too, as they did in the past.
cinzia
Jun 26 2006, 10:35 am
Disagree, Telford.
If offices are open on Sundays, how are people going to shop on that day?
But seriously, I don't see how one thing (
Sunday shopping) leads directly to the other (everyone working Sundays.) That's what unions are for.
Kza
Jun 26 2006, 10:35 am
QUOTE (Tim Hortons Man @ Apr 10 2006, 2:40 pm)
But the real question is and no one asks this, not "do you want to shop on Sundays" but "do you want to work on Sundays" word it that way and no one will answer in the positive
Actually this isnt quite right, the real questions are "should people choose for themselves whether to open their shop or work on sundays, or not have that choice at all"
Timmeh
Jun 26 2006, 10:45 am
QUOTE (Telford @ Jun 26 2006, 10:29 am)
As soon as Sundays are seen as just another day
Have you got some special inside knowledge? As far as I'm aware Sunday is just another day
Johnny English
Jun 26 2006, 10:45 am
I recommend at the moment doing your shopping when people are playing football on the TV. Seems to keep the buggers away nicely.
stanford
Jun 26 2006, 11:03 am
Here's one more giving their support for Sunday Shopping...
Life has changed in the UK - it's got a lot easier for us stressed out office workers and families who had to do all their shopping on Saturday!!! Sunday has become the either the biggest or 2nd biggest shopping day for Super Markets. And so now the Supermarkets are pushing for the origianl comprise to be lifted (i.e. 6 hrs trading allowed on Sunday).
Here's to 24hr Supermarkets...
kitkat64
Jun 26 2006, 11:14 am
We had a big discussion last week in my German class about this. 3 people were against shopping on Sunday - everyone else 8 or so, were for it. The teacher's argument was that Sunday is a day for families, not shopping. I said, 'well, what if you don't have family nearby? Shouldn't you have the choice of whether or not you want to be with your family or shopping?' I also told her 'just because the shops are open, doesn't mean you have to go shopping - it just gives you a choice' But, hey, in Germany, you don't get many choices!
Kza
Jun 26 2006, 11:20 am
Im against
Sunday shopping, in fact I hate shopping any day of the week, I wouldnt give a shit about working sundays though, as long as I get 2 days off a week I dont really care which days they are. The point is it doesnt need to be enforced, because people (well outside of germany at least) have a funny ability called decision making, which makes laws like this totally unneccessary.
However it doesnt seem like the shops themselves give too much of a shit otherwise they would flaunt the law and open anyway, and pay the fine out of all the money they make, like the shops in NZ used to do back when it was illegal to trade on
easter.
I wouldnt force the shops to open on sunday though.
stanford
Jun 26 2006, 11:27 am
It interesting how people justify these restriction with "it's a day for families". If that was really the aim why not bring out a law to mandate that all families must live in the same city and that Mothers (or fathers if they know where the kitchen is) must cook for their kids...that would be more effectively!!
As was seen in the UK regarding Pubs openings a lot of these laws came about for totally different reasons (i.e. during the 1st World War to ensure production was maintained) but afterwards were jumped on by the Church and like to argue it was better for society or something.
Ultimately Sunday Shopping does change the nature of Sunday but if they made it a regional/town/city decision then people can still decide or at last resort move to somewhere where they keep the shops closed.
You can't shop but you can drink and Gamble on Sunday or for that matter play Golf which I've heard produces lots of Golf Widows...
Stanford - wishing to ban Golf in the name of Family Unity.
Johnny English
Jun 26 2006, 11:33 am
It's pathetic. Allowing
Sunday shopping is a "NO COST" option for the government and could stimulate badly needed customer demand.
The economy is in the doldrums, you have huge unemployment, and they keep voting against a simple option like this on quasi-religious grounds. Bloody annoys me frankly, and I don't even like shopping.
Hutcho
Jun 26 2006, 11:52 am
QUOTE (Telford @ Jun 26 2006, 10:29 am)
I hope people who support
Sunday shopping are clear about what this will mean for them in the future. As soon as Sundays are seen as just another day, it's just a matter of time before offices start opening weekends too, as they did in the past.
Like how most offices are open now on Saturdays? This argument is crap.
Further to this, if its supposed to be a day for families, what about all the train/bus/tram drivers that have to work that day? Or Petrol station attendants? Or people that work in bars and restaurants? The fact is that some people can work on these days and I think we should add to that list people that work in shops. And its not all bad for these people. The unions are strong over here and they will no doubt get paid double time, as they are in the UK and Australia.
Making longer shopping opening hours actually creates more time for the family, cause a parent would be able to go out and do the shopping after the kids have gone to bed, or at a time of their choosing rather than having to try to fit it in after work and picking the kids up or on a Saturday when the kids no doubt have other activities on.
kitty-kat
Jun 26 2006, 12:08 pm
QUOTE (Telford @ Jun 26 2006, 10:29 am)
I hope people who support Sunday shopping are clear about what this will mean for them in the future. As soon as Sundays are seen as just another day, it's just a matter of time before offices start opening weekends too, as they did in the past.
This has got to be one of the lamest anti-Sunday shopping excuses I have ever heard! Coming from San Diego, CA- SoCal possibly being the hub of consumerism- I can't remember a time when shopping wasn't allowed on Sundays. Sure, some shops were closed, and others had shorter hours- but it was based on supply/demand- not laws! And as long as shops have been open, offices and other businesses have never been open on Sundays! Personally, I always liked the option of planning a last minute bbq and having the full selection of a grocery store to choose from! Noone is forced to work on a Sunday, and most (if not all) grocery stores pay a premium to those who do work. It's not much different than some of the supermarkets who choose to stay open 24 hrs- the majority of staff working are there doing the stocking (unlike the way they clog the aisles in Germany during peak hours) and if the odd customer came in, someone went to the till. Lots of people like working those hours- they get paid more and maybe it fits better with their personality or family situation. I hate it when govt's or a minority of the population try and regulate how others spend their time...
I would like to have the choice when I shop and for shops to have the choice of when they open. If the UK example is considered, it has not lead to offices opening nor to people being forced to work longer hours. The European Working Hours Directive means that the likes of Tesco and Asda have taken on extra staff to cover both weekend and Internet shopping. The stores in the UK already had shelf stackers and security staff present overnight and at weekends - it doesn't take that many more people to have the store open.
What I liked most was being able to get some milk or coffee after finishing late at the office so that I didn't have to miss breakfast the next morning.
chucktduck
Jul 21 2006, 7:31 pm
I'm back in the states after living in Germany for 8 years. It's nice to have the choice of shopping on sunday if I want or need something. Here in Miami, sunday is still much quieter than the other days of the week. So I disagree with the argument that sunday will become like every other day of the week.
deep_schismic
Jul 24 2006, 12:14 pm
Sigh, lucky you! Being back in the normal world where shops are open 7 days a week.
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