MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 10:31 am
So, I was looking on
www.otto.de for the hell of it, and found a cute pair of baggy shorts for summer. Since they're baggy, I didn't know whether or not to get a smaller size. I realized when jumping between 38 and 40 that the price rises from 24,98 Euro to 28,98 Euro. What is that all about? It takes more fabric to cloth us over size 38, thus we must pay more or what?
Puh
Small Town Boy
Apr 25 2006, 10:33 am
Basically. I've seen this elsewhere, not only in Germany.
Topsy
Apr 25 2006, 10:33 am
you think people who wear size 40 are fatties?
good grief
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 10:34 am
@ Topsy: No, not at all.. I was being sarcastic. I myself am a size 38-40, after all.
Anyways I changed it
Topsy
Apr 25 2006, 10:35 am

yeah, the price often goes up when you move up the size scale
it does take more material to make bigger clothes - if you were making them yourself then you'd have to spend more on the material, so it figures, really
greenlakechris
Apr 25 2006, 10:36 am
A long time ago, I used to pay more for Levis, because I needed the extra length. But I haven't seen such B.S. in years. The cost of the material (ie: the small difference in material) is likely nothing compared to the labor. Each item has the same amount of stitching, folding, etc. Try bitching to the sales folk (does that work in germany?)
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 10:38 am
I've never seen this before. Not in any clothing shops, not online, nowhere. It's total BS if you ask me.
Topsy
Apr 25 2006, 10:39 am
I see it all the time, but admittedly it doesn't generally start at sizes as small as 40
It usually kicks in around 44 or 46 ish
the Boy From Bozlem
Apr 25 2006, 10:39 am
When I first flew out to Munich I had an overweight suitcase, my argument with the woman at check in was that I must weigh nearly half that of every other person on that flight.
Im not sure if it was due to me being cheeky, but she let me off and I saved around 20 quid
bluedave
Apr 25 2006, 10:40 am
boys football shirts are always only around 50% of adult shirt costs, same principle innit ?
greenlakechris
Apr 25 2006, 10:40 am
Reminds me fo the shock of flying back to the U.S...we were really worried we'd be stuffed next to someone overflowing into our seat. You really should get to combine your baggage and your belly!
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 10:45 am
Did they really change the limit to 23 Kilos? It used to be 32.. that sucks. Perhaps if everyone starts charging more for oversized clothing, the contributions can go to the airlines so that we can bring heavier baggage.
greenlakechris
Apr 25 2006, 10:49 am
Yeah, the new luggage restrictions have rendered my big suitcase utterly useless.
mere
Apr 25 2006, 10:51 am
i think i'll build a boat and put all my crap on it and slowly float my way back home when i decide it's time to return for good to the US.

back on topic- yeah. stupid to pay more for the clothes. i could see if you're some massive size or something, but you're not!
Owain Glyndwr
Apr 25 2006, 10:52 am
QUOTE (bluedave @ Apr 25 2006, 11:40 am)

boys football shirts are always only around 50% of adult shirt costs, same principle innit ?
also in some countries, like the UK, children's clothes have zero VAT, making them considerably cheaper.
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 10:53 am
I guess if you fly first or business class you can bring up to 32 kilos. Us losers in Economy can only bring 23 Kilos.
I also have a gigantic bag that was perfect for travel. It is now also completely useless. If you can bring 2 bags á 23 Kilos, why not just one big bag with a little more weight on it? If they can lift 32 Kilos for the first classers, surely they can for us.. Fkin airlines. They do whatever they want, and you can't do anything about it but fly with them.
Mrs Coulter
Apr 25 2006, 10:54 am
you think that's bad? I read an article in Esquire magazine last month about a millionaire Texan who has developed a Fat Tax and is lobbying for it in Washington.
The funniest thing about it, he himself is overweight.
According to the "plan" you would pay extra taxes for every point you are over a BMI of 24.
I will look for a link somewhere. In Esquire magazine they even had a table for you to calculate what you would have to pay based on your BMI and gross income.
mere
Apr 25 2006, 10:54 am
i think (prob not true though) it's b/c kids out grow their clothes. and also some kids clothes (like touristy tshirts and thinks) are not always of the same quality of adults (again b/c kids outgrow them and the hell the kids put the clothes through).
i know when i was in Dublin last week i bought kids shirts for my best friend and me!

basically got both the shirts for the price i would've paid for one adult shirt!
Mrs Coulter
Apr 25 2006, 10:57 am
About Esquire's Fat Tax article:
apparently it was a large hoax
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 10:58 am
QUOTE (DanaRae @ Apr 25 2006, 10:54 am)

you think that's bad? I read an article in Esquire magazine last month about a millionaire Texan who has developed a Fat Tax and is lobbying for it in Washington.
The funniest thing about it, he himself is overweight.
According to the "plan" you would pay extra taxes for every point you are over a BMI of 24.
I will look for a link somewhere. In Esquire magazine they even had a table for you to calculate what you would have to pay based on your BMI and gross income.
It is totally absurd, but considering the amount of dangerously overweight people in the US, it might be the only way to get people to live a healthier lifestyle. A BMI of 24 is very strict though.. some people are just built bigger or more muscular and will naturally weigh more.
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 11:00 am
This is funny.. watch out Psioni
QUOTE
"You ever had a deep-fried Twinkie?" Leba asks. "If you condensed all the goodness of Jesus Christ into one of those plastic wrappers, you'd have something that would be almost -- but not quite -- as divine as a deep-fried Twinkie."
Eleanor Rigby
Apr 25 2006, 11:01 am
QUOTE (DanaRae @ Apr 25 2006, 11:57 am)

About Esquire's Fat Tax article:
apparently it was a large hoaxIt's not the worst idea I've ever heard. You'd never get it passed though.
Kay
Apr 25 2006, 11:01 am
Even with children's clothes the price sometimes takes a leap from one size to the next (I don't mean babies' vs. children's clothes).
I've often had to pay more for an item for a 10-year old than for the exact same one in a smaller size.
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 11:04 am
QUOTE (Eleanor Rigby @ Apr 25 2006, 11:01 am)

It's not the worst idea I've ever heard. You'd never get it passed though.
I don't think so either... but just what would the tax go towards? Health Education in schools?
skoolboyerror
Apr 25 2006, 11:08 am
Guessing it actually is more material higher cost even if its only like a inch bigger.
But still come on 5 EUR more? Thats like 3 quid, its nothing!
Eleanor Rigby
Apr 25 2006, 11:10 am
QUOTE (MoiLV @ Apr 25 2006, 12:04 pm)

I don't think so either... but just what would the tax go towards? Health Education in schools?
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I'm guessing it would be more justifiable in countries with public health care.
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 11:12 am
QUOTE (skoolboyerror @ Apr 25 2006, 11:08 am)

Guessing it actually is more material higher cost even if its only like a inch bigger.
But still come on 5 EUR more? Thats like 3 quid, its nothing!
Why should I pay 5 EUR or 3 quid more for one inch bigger? I'm not a cheapskate or anything, it's just the principle of the situation.
Topsy
Apr 25 2006, 11:15 am
if you buy (e.g.) a larger sized pizza, then it costs you more cos they are using more ingredients to make it - so why shouldn't the same apply to clothes?
I don't understand your objection, really, tbh
skoolboyerror
Apr 25 2006, 11:16 am
@ Moil V - I do understand what you mean

I am a big guy (height, arms, feet etc...) So whenever I go and buy a new pair of trainers or something its always 20 pounds more for me!
But I guess its just something I have gotten used to, they do need more material so I can see it from their business point of view.
bluedave
Apr 25 2006, 11:19 am
QUOTE (MoiLV @ Apr 25 2006, 12:12 pm)

Why should I pay 5 EUR or 3 quid more for one inch bigger? I'm not a cheapskate or anything, it's just the principle of the situation.
Personally i would be more than happy to pay 5 eur for an inch more, in fact here's 15 euro i'll take 3 more please
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 11:21 am
QUOTE (Topsy @ Apr 25 2006, 11:15 am)

if you buy (e.g.) a larger sized pizza, then it costs you more cos they are using more ingredients to make it - so why shouldn't the same apply to clothes?
I don't understand your objection, really, tbh
Just do to the fact that I've never heard of it before, so it makes me angry, and a little insulted.
Eleanor Rigby
Apr 25 2006, 11:27 am
QUOTE (Topsy @ Apr 25 2006, 12:15 pm)

if you buy (e.g.) a larger sized pizza, then it costs you more cos they are using more ingredients to make it - so why shouldn't the same apply to clothes?
I don't understand your objection, really, tbh
Yes they do need more material but the material costs are only a tiny fraction of what makes up the costs of an item of clothing.
Topsy
Apr 25 2006, 11:30 am
well, if the sizes are larger you'll have to sew a bit more, so that will take marginally longer
the clothes will also be bigger and therefore take up more room when transporting (and due to more material they'll be slightly heavier and therefore more expensive to transport), they'll take up more room in the warehouse while waiting to be shipped to the customer etc etc etc
HelterSkelter
Apr 25 2006, 11:31 am
Maybe it's a way to keep the special sizes (which aren't produced at the mass rates of standard sizes) affordable...? Spreading the costs on all customers?
cinzia
Apr 25 2006, 11:36 am
Just for the heck of it, I had a look at the baby clothes at Otto. The price on the same article doesn't go up with bigger baby sizes.
Carm
Apr 25 2006, 11:40 am
I just don't order from Otto or Quelle because of this, in most stores there is a price difference when you go from regular sizes to special sizes but not from 38-46- in some cases by Quelle the prices go up with every size increase... pisses me off, so I don't order from them. I understand if I want something from the plus size section, then the prices are unfairly increased IMO, but if I want a nice outfit in a 46, I need to pay about 10 Euro more than the 38? No, not for me, thank you.
Showem
Apr 25 2006, 12:03 pm
I totally understand MoiLV's complaint. Why should I pay more from a catalogue for a certain size when I go into a shop and all the sizes are the same price?
That's why if I want to get some basics, I usually go with
www.bonprix.de. All sizes are the same price, they are already cheap and it will more than do for basics.
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 12:30 pm
... the problem is, I really want these shorts. I'm gonna see if they have something similar at H&M or C&A or something, because they are really cute.
Showem
Apr 25 2006, 12:37 pm
Go
here and see if they have anything you like.
YorkshireLad6
Apr 25 2006, 12:40 pm
I agree with Topsy, but it's a business case. If all the prices are the same for different sizes then the management of pricing is easy, but the skinny guys are subsidising the big guys and your overall profits may be higher (because there is a higher margin on smaller sizes); if you can set prices more precisely according to manufacturing and raw material costs then there may be a marketing advantage in setting price according to size, as you may get more business from the little guys who can buy at your store cheaper...
Showem
Apr 25 2006, 12:41 pm
That's crap. No store in town sells the "regular" sizes (36-44) for different prices.
Marshbot
Apr 25 2006, 12:48 pm
Kaufhof does. I noticed some price differences there on various sizes. The bastards charge more for larger tubs of jelly beans too.
Maybe you could just think of it as every one else is paying regular price and the little people get discounts?
Dunno, didn't seem a big deal to me. I was surprised for about 5 seconds then figured it was fair enough - you pay more for more/less for less for everything else you buy so why not clothing.
Moonboot
Apr 25 2006, 12:50 pm
QUOTE (bluedave @ Apr 25 2006, 11:40 am)

boys football shirts are always only around 50% of adult shirt costs, same principle innit ?
isn't it something to do with tax though? my England shirt is a boys age 14-16 one (I'm 5'11" and it still fits)
Showem
Apr 25 2006, 12:51 pm
Marshbot, that surprises me. I've never seen a price difference on different sizes. If I did, I would point it out to a manager, tell them that's why I wasn't going to shop there anymore and walk out.
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 12:51 pm
Thanks Showem.. these are the half-pants I'm looking for
Topsy
Apr 25 2006, 12:53 pm
well, I guess you only normally look for your own size, so you wouldn't notice if shops charge different prices for different sizes, would you?
you might leave yourself with not too many places left to shop if you carry on like that.
QUOTE (Marshbot @ Apr 25 2006, 1:48 pm)

The bastards charge more for larger tubs of jelly beans too.
Jesus, that's outrageous, innit?
If I ever noticed that happening, I'd seek out the manager and give him/her a piece of my mind
Carm
Apr 25 2006, 12:55 pm
QUOTE (Topsy @ Apr 25 2006, 1:53 pm)

well, I guess you only normally look for your own size, so you wouldn't notice if shops charge different prices for different sizes, would you?
you might leave yourself with not too many places left to shop if you carry on like that.
I wear two different sizes depending on the cute and make- so if I go to the fitting room with 2 articles then notice the price difference, I wouldn't shop there!
sorry but the same piece of clothing costing more because its 1 inch bigger- come on get real!
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 12:55 pm
I thought of that too but I wear different sizes a lot, sometimes I can even squeeze into a 36, so I might've noticed.
Showem
Apr 25 2006, 12:55 pm
Actually I do notice the prices, as I look at the price of whatever size I first grab and then if I'm not terrified by the price on it, look for my own size .
MoiLV
Apr 25 2006, 12:56 pm
.. actually, strike my answer before, showem's got it. that's what I do too. I guess I am a cheapskate (no offense showem)
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