Murderers convicted of horrific attack

They should be executed. At least the families (of the victims) could find some peace.
Society owes something to those families.
As for the way of executing them ... after, everyone should be aware those crimes (rape, torture and murder) entail appropriate punishment.

I'm pretty sure society doesn't owe anyone anything.

If I am not mistaken, the killers were released on parole and a minister apologized for that.

The ethical requirements of performing experiments on humans are so strict that you'd never get anything remotely barbaric passed. You can't even ask someone to fill out a questionnaire without giving them a huge debreifing and providing them with a list of people to contact if they feel traumatised about having revealed that red is their favourite colour.

I think it's a great idea.

I hope that you dont include me in the "we" part of the bring back the rope statement

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4527570.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4362572.stm

"Stable" at best. Considering that in 2004 violent crime went up by 12% then I would hardly call even a claimed 2% decrease in 2005 (depending on which report you believe) as a glowing success

No, "we" meaning society as a whole.

The trend for serious violent crime against the person is DOWNWARDS (and was also under Major tooas it happens) and I don't think that all chancges to criminal justice should be a reaction to one headline case, however brutal and horiffic.

lock them up for life.
give them nothing to do.
give them nothing.
no books, no radio, no telly, solitary confinement with punishment for talking such as a reduction of food. 1 hour exersise a day - alone. basic foodstuffs as well. rice potatoes just enough to keep the body ticking. no window in the cell and a 20 watt light bulb permenantly on. shave their heads. and leave enough rope and a hook in the ceiling for them to volentary hang themselves.

Arguably torture and would therefore be not permissable.
The one with the light certainly is and the UK has been pulled up on that before IIRC.

How does a bullet disintegrate upon impact? That's just about the luckiest thing I've ever heard.

I wish that were true. In fact, many scientific studies are not done within the guidelines set. Many clinical journals still publish reports without proof that they followed the rights of the patients. I have participated in many human studies here in Germany and I also have been a patient (all for pain studies) and I have never signed anything. In the US every University requires an ethics committee (with members from the general public, scientist, ethicists and physicians) before any project can be approved, not so in Germany.

yea, not sure exactly how that could happen. but I would guess that lowlife UK drugdealers do not always have the best equipment or keep them well maintained. If i understand correctly, it is difficult to get a hand gun in the UK to begin with (i.e. can't just go to WalMart and get yer guns an' ammo fresh off the shelf) - then there is the question of how old the gun and the bullets were. it is also possible that the bullets were home made (yes, some people do this - not just illegal gun owners). still, not enough information to make a final professional-engineer-worthy conclusion.

or jebus intervened...or allah...or the flying spaghetti monster

You're right I was speaking only of US & Canada. I have no idea how it works in the rest of the world although I'm shocked that it's not so in Germany.

I see a Pulp Fiction moment coming on. Now, where is Jules when you need him?

By law they are required, the truth is that there is no oversight. Since I did similar research here, I would always agree to some experiments. But when I asked this one researcher how she came up the dosage of histamine she wanted to inject me with (which was 100X normal amounts used in other studies) as well as the duration and current she would use to shock me, she burst into tears asking why I am picking on her. I told her, if she hasn't done her background research of why she chose certain stimuli parameters, I will not offer my body to be experimented on. I treid to explain that it was nothing against her, but this is required by law.

It could disentegrate because it was modified by the killers ... ever heard of dum-dum bullets? They are intended to cause the maximum damage to a person.
Or they were bullets from a stock used for training, i.e., only lead (same effects on human beings).

How does a bullet know if someone is a dum-dum or not? I would find it hard to believe a normal criminal can create a bullet with this level of intelligence.

They don´t create them ... they modify them. All that is needed is to damage the bullet with a knife.

I am shocked, shocked I say, at the Progressive responses on this thread. No one has even suggested that these terrorists be sent to Gitmo, provided with lawyers and the Koran, three meals a day, a right to be tried, air conditioning, at least defended by the UN, Human Rights Watch and Amnisty International. Hypocrites! Bush is more humane than some of you.

@Badbob
I think they are refering to what happens after their trial.

And I'm just shocked that people still support the death penalty.

Oh I dunno. I would make an exception in BadBoob's case.

yea, forget the death penalty. lock these guys in a small room with BadBob for the rest of their lives. that would truely be punishment, though perhaps "cruel and unusual".

i dunno - i can think of worse people than BadBob, really...

yea, there is that 66-year old guy who shot a kid the other day for walking on his lawn - he shot the kid twice, with a shotgun, the second time at point blank range. that guy is a real dick. so compared to that, maybe badbob isn't so bad.

Leave poor old parnell out of this. It's not his fault he just discovered he dresses the wrong way.

who said anything about parnell?
there is a world outside TT, you know

And I'm shocked at the number of people who are capable of doing horrible, repulsive things like rape and torture women, sell children into prostitution, lock children in their rooms until they starve to death, or just feed them salt until they die, etc.

Well shit Jenny L. Just wait until you get to see what governments get up to then.

Well, Sin, I wasn't saying Hurray for the government. But I do find it seriously disturbing that people treat other people like that. That's all. Anyway, I've always been more a fan of vigilante justice. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth kind of thing.

Edit: Yeah, I know vigilante justice is wrong and just snowballs into family fueds or wars or whatnot, so I'm not seriously condoning it. But I find the idea tempting- especially when I think about something horrible happening to any of my loved ones.

As my old man used to say "People will learn you". The main problem with vigilante justice is that it's very hard to appeal a judgement and it spirals out of control so you could end up getting caught in an albanian blood feud situation.

I say we use tactical nuclear handgrenades.

Problem is simple Jenny L. Two wrongs don't make a right. The baddie guns down your kin, so you gun down his, so he guns down yours, so you gun down his... until there's nobody left. And... sure, of course, I'd kill the entire family, pets, neighbours and the next 3 streets of anybody that hurt my family. But, I know it's not right.

not having read the entire thread, i would send these guys to hard labour and send them to prison for the rest of their lives, ideally they work in mine, no sunlight and dirt! kill them slowly slowly but never let them go crazy so they cannot forget reality

What? You think Blair and Brown will bore them to death or something?